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Space Invaders totally fails to address the class crisis of late capitalism. 0/10 After years of consuming Western media that in no way make any sort of effort at representing or acknowledging me or anybody outside the Anglo-Saxon cultural block thanks to the magic of cultural imperialism, and observing the steady erosion of local culture as a direct consequence, I finally get a successful pop culture product that originates from the same cultural background as me, and reflects my experiences. And of course immediately Americans come flooding in complaining "why isn't this thing exactly like the stuff we make in America, that is a massive flaw and probably a sign of bigotry" gently caress you. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:No. LGBT stuff does not need to be everywhere, most certainly not in a medieval low fantasy genre. It's forced nowadays and feels like pandering for market shares. It hardly matters in homophobic mass effect that can not stand to show two naked men at all, but lesbians are shown doing it super hard. Eh, I don't want to derail into an argument over this but I mostly agree with you. Video games don't need to pander, but at least having incidental references to minorities is great. W3 is okay at that, it's not actively homophobic (though there is racism!) and has a few references but I'm suggesting CDPR could add more LGBT and minority characters even if they're background. It acknowledges they exist and are important without clumsily trying to check them off a list.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:24
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There are many minority characters. Minority in an Eastern European context means a different thing than in English / US context.
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Mar 31, 2017 11:25
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As long as we're not going into the "gays and blacks don't exist in Poland" territory, I think it's fine to note that the game isn't meant to specifically represent the demographics of the US and that what at first might seem to be insensitive racial metaphors ("all the minorities are white but with funny ears!") actually makes sense in context. Witcher fans haven't done a great job defending the game from what were ultimately very bland critiques of the game's demographics and its representation issues though.
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Mar 31, 2017 12:40
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Pellisworth posted:unrelated, I was chatting with a couple friends about W3 and Mass Effect: Andromeda and how they handle LGBT people There's a letter to Phillipa Eilheart(I think it's in her hideout) from her lover, where she's surprised how Philippa ended up sleeping with Djikstra and offers to get back together. Although that continues from the books, in W2 you even walk in on Philippa in the act.
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Mar 31, 2017 12:59
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Pellisworth posted:sounds like you figured it out, then, I'm gonna wildly guess half the posters in this thread concluded it was the priest rather than the vampire coroner. a really large portion of players gently caress it up so don't be too hard on yourself! It really want hard to figure out that the red herring was just that in that quest... They make it really obvious.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:24
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I dont like that the sick gently caress torturing and mutilating nettie gets by scot free if you find the real murderer.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:46
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No Wave posted:I dont like that the sick gently caress torturing and mutilating nettie gets by scot free if you find the real murderer. You can get the information, then kill him.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:48
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Killijg NPCs in the game doesnt really feel real unless there's a dialogue option for it.
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Mar 31, 2017 14:51
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I dunno if his actions necessarily make him deserving of death. As I recall he was an rear end in a top hat with a messed up fetish, but his "victims" knew what they were getting into.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:05
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:No. LGBT stuff does not need to be everywhere, most certainly not in a medieval low fantasy genre. It's forced nowadays and feels like pandering for market shares. Didn't someone make a gif one time if a really large  that opened its mouth and vomited out a bunch of tiny because if so pretend I posted it in response to this post
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Mar 31, 2017 15:08
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"It's Conjunction of Spheres not Conjunction of Queers!"
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Mar 31, 2017 15:11
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Nettie's sure not acting that way, but it's the sort of thing where I'd rather find some better justice than just pressing the attack button next to the guy.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:19
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Ugh why did Braveheart have all that gay stuff, sheesh!
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Mar 31, 2017 15:21
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Fuzz posted:I dunno if his actions necessarily make him deserving of death. As I recall he was an rear end in a top hat with a messed up fetish, but his "victims" knew what they were getting into. Nettie makes it rather clear after how she felt about the situation.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:As long as we're not going into the "gays and blacks don't exist in Poland" territory, I think it's fine to note that the game isn't meant to specifically represent the demographics of the US and that what at first might seem to be insensitive racial metaphors ("all the minorities are white but with funny ears!") actually makes sense in context. It's hosed up that instead of appreciating a representation of a different culture that is entirely absent from all of pop media, the natural reaction of a critic is "why isn't this diverse in a way I'm used to?" Like for the first time ever I feel like I'm on an equal footing with Westerners in terms of pop culture discourse, and instead the response is "Hm, problematic. Have you tried copying Bioware's shtick instead?" steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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Mar 31, 2017 15:34
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Nettie makes it rather clear after how she felt about the situation. She does, but I still wouldn't say the guy deserves Tycho die for it, but that could be my crazy modern views impinging on Geralt's normally close minded and medieval thinking... right? Then again, he does kill monsters... It's intentionally grey. Wish there had been an option for Geralt to at least beat his rear end our cause him some more serious discomfort so he could see what it's like.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:39
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Lobok posted:"It's Conjunction of Spheres not Conjunction of Queers!" laffin over here
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Fuzz posted:She does, but I still wouldn't say the guy deserves Tycho die for it, but that could be my crazy modern views impinging on Geralt's normally close minded and medieval thinking... right? We're talking about a guy who regularly runs into Bandit Camps and murders everyone it it for a little bit of loot
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Mar 31, 2017 15:44
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And then lets them respawn so he can do it again.
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Mar 31, 2017 15:47
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There are LGBT people in Poland too, I know because a lot of them worked on the game.
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steinrokkan posted:Like for the first time ever I feel like I'm on an equal footing with Westerners in terms of pop culture discourse, and instead the response is "Hm, problematic. Have you tried copying Bioware's shtick instead?" When you use this word, do you actually mean Anglo-Americans? Or if not, what exactly makes you consider yourself a non-westerner? AFAIK, Czechs are nominally mostly Christian (if irreligious in practice), use the Latin alphabet and have historically been strongly influenced by German-speaking cultures.
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Joey Freshwater posted:We're talking about a guy who regularly runs into Bandit Camps and murders everyone it it for a little bit of loot Self defense! :iamafag:
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Fuzz posted:Self defense! :iamafag: Well now I'm picturing Geralt and Ciri as Jimbo and Ned from South Park.
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Mar 31, 2017 16:18
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To address concerns about LGBT, in the next patch certain NPCs will now have "(gay)" appended to their names.
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I actually watched a snippet of a review by a fat Russian guy before buying the game (absolutely no idea how or why that happened) and he favorably compared the game to Dragonborn: Inquisition. One of his criteria referred to D:I being homo/transsexual propaganda, while TW3 had an appropriately negative portrayal of homosexuality.
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Joey Freshwater posted:We're talking about a guy who regularly runs into Bandit Camps and murders everyone it it for a little bit of loot After I read the Butcher of Blaviken story it caused slight ~ludonarrative dissonance~ since Geralt is infamous for killing only 7 dudes iirc in a short time span while game Geralt takes on Hanses of 40 dudes in a few minutes
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Joey Freshwater posted:We're talking about a guy who regularly runs into Bandit Camps and murders everyone it it for a little bit of loot Hey now, that's not fair. I am totally willing to steal everything they own without killing them. But they always attack me so they gots to die.
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Xander77 posted:I actually watched a snippet of a review by a fat Russian guy before buying the game (absolutely no idea how or why that happened) and he favorably compared the game to Dragonborn: Inquisition. One of his criteria referred to D:I being homo/transsexual propaganda, while TW3 had an appropriately negative portrayal of homosexuality. as the rain is clearing up a rainbow comes out and Geralt mutters "mhm, homos again"
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2house2fly posted:as the rain is clearing up a rainbow comes out and Geralt mutters "mhm, homos again"
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steinrokkan posted:"Hm, problematic. Have you tried copying Bioware's shtick instead?" But... did anyone actually say that? Because I get the impression that you're projecting and reducing their argument to the point of absurdity. We're talking about a rather small array of people that offered a variety of arguments that can be mostly summed up as "this game's cast is made *entirely* of white people and that seems a bit strange." I will admit I don't remember (though it doesn't mean they don't exist) any criticism for lack of LGBT characters. I'd need to see how those critiques were articulated before commenting. Criticism of the game for some dumb character designs in the female department was IMO absolutely warranted and you'd be hard-pressed to defend it based on Polish traditions. It was also, again, very minor.
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Lobok posted:Hey now, that's not fair. I am totally willing to steal everything they own without killing them. But they always attack me so they gots to die. Besides, they were thieves
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Unlike in this game, I am sure there were a lot of black and Asian peeps in medieval Europe... said nobody who lives in a country that actually had a medieval period ever.
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Based on Equine Phantoms we know Roach is trans I wasn't saying anything about race in the game, the thread's done that a few times already. I think W3 is fine with regard to LGBT stuff, it mostly doesn't come up but the few small bits are well-done. My point was that even if CDPR doesn't have major LGBT characters (which is fine) it's always good to include more diverse background and incidental characters. I don't need an option for Geralt to be gay or whatever, but more characters that happen to be gay is good because it's important to acknowledge they exist. More Elihals and White Orchard hunters. Basically, Comte de Saint-Germain posted:There are LGBT people in Poland too, I know because a lot of them worked on the game. edit: also I acknowledge where you're coming from about Westerners talking down to Eastern Europeans or insisting you have to change to be "right" and more like Western culture, steinrokkan. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Mar 31, 2017 |
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OK, total Witcher noob reporting in after loving around to level 3 and then killing the griffin: 1) Overall this game owns, it looks great maxed out and runs smooth as glass at 1080p on my good-but-not-Godlike PC. Witcher 2 was kind of  for me, but I totally buy into 3 for whatever reason.2) When does crafting items really become worthwhile? I'm not in a rush, just curious when I should start giving a poo poo about it, because at the moment I have like 5 recipes for mediocre looking items, nothing to make them with, and would go broke trying to buy any components for them. 3) Related to that, between the number of plants and the number of raw materials for items, I just don't even know what the gently caress 
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sean10mm posted:OK, total Witcher noob reporting in after loving around to level 3 and then killing the griffin: Don't worry about crafting anything but the witcher gear (green items). Potions are also wonderful and there's a use for almost all of them. Decoctions are very cool but there are really only a few that see regular use. Don't worry so much about raw materials until you get to a point where you actually want to craft something specific. Thankfully they don't take up weight and it'll be quite a few levels until you make your first witcher set (you can find plans in white orchard for a pair of level 7(?) swords which are nice to have by the time you hit that level). As you move on you'll want to pay attention to what breaks down into dimeritium as that's pretty commonly used in witcher gear. Otherwise you're probably going to be swimming in mats.
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sean10mm posted:OK, total Witcher noob reporting in after loving around to level 3 and then killing the griffin: The only items worth crafting are the green-shaded Witcher sets, mostly. You can get the Viper sword diagrams in White Orchard though they can be pricey on your early-game budget. You'll be poor for a bit longer but it stops being a big issue after you level up into the teens or so. The crafting system is imo one of the few weak points of W3, you're right there are a ton of different components and the interface is a bit cludgy, it's way more complex than it needs to be. One important thing to keep in mind is that you don't need to re-craft alchemy items, you craft each thing once and it gives you a container item you can recharge infinitely for one unit of hard alcohol. For what it's worth here's a bunch of spoiler-free newbie advice: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3720352&pagenumber=1017&perpage=40#post470527222 The next zone will be Velen, it's really big and there's a wide range of monster levels so you're going to stumble into a lot of stuff that is too high level for you. I recommend following the main quest for a bit, the Velen main quest line is one of the absolute best in the game and it will give you a good chunk of XP which helps a lot.
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sean10mm posted:OK, total Witcher noob reporting in after loving around to level 3 and then killing the griffin: Craft all potions/decoctions/bombs. These become very powerful and useful later on, since bombs and potions can be upgraded. Decoctions can only be made with monster-specific mutagens (with a couple exceptions) - lots of these are situation, but there are a few extremely powerful ones (primarily Ekimmara and Ekhidna, but also Archgriffin depending on your build). Most of those come from sidequests. Always collect plants and upgrade as often as possible. Your potions, bombs, and decoctions all replenish automatically when you meditate, using only a single unit of strong alcohol. You should never run out. Crafting gear is good as long as you're crafting Witcher gear. There are different sets that are designed around different builds - Cat, Griffin, Bear, and Wolven. A lot of people prefer Cat as it's focused on Dodge and fast attacks, but they are all viable as any build is really viable once you understand combat. It's all a matter of personal taste. Building the base sets for each is pretty easy and cheap, so experiment with all. Of note: Crafting components don't weigh anything. Even if you don't think or know if you'll need it, grab it. Can always sell it later. Keep EVERYTHING with Dimeterium in the name. You need a ton of the stuff to build late game gear and it gets expensive.
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Hopper posted:Unlike in this game, I am sure there were a lot of black and Asian peeps in medieval Europe... said nobody who lives in a country that actually had a medieval period ever. You are wrong, of course. The Mongols (asians, by any standard) conquered this land. Do they not count? What about travellers and traders? And of course, The Witcher isn't medieval, it's fantasy, and the games at least are much more heavily inspired by the Renaissance era. Also, it's fictional, so we can do anything we waaaant.
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