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100YrsofAttitude posted:What's that? The Diamondest of Diamond Dogs
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Apr 6, 2017 07:44
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I can live with that. But wasn't that Venom's deal? What ever happened to Venom?
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Apr 6, 2017 07:54
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I can live with that. But wasn't that Venom's deal? What ever happened to Venom?
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Apr 6, 2017 08:02
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inf just claim. everything you're saying right now feels like spin.
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Apr 6, 2017 08:04
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http://i.imgur.com/Br00TCn.mp4
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Apr 6, 2017 09:10
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Somberbrero posted:inf just claim. everything you're saying right now feels like spin. So this has now progressed from an uncomfortable turbo into trying to force a claim?
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Apr 6, 2017 12:03
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I still really dislike 100yrs justifications for his vote. In addition, 100YrsofAttitude posted:I figured it was based on previous misconceptions, which while I agree isn't very sporting, I admit that I'm no way beyond doing the same thing. I definitely have prejudices against some players, though that's only after having played with them several times. Also, I can be much more lenient on someone if I feel I wasn't once before (if you die here, you can be certain I'd give you a free pass elsewhere for example). Some people can come in with clean slates, I know I can't. So I don't hold that against them, it'd just be hypocritical. this is an especially bad post. Talking about how it'd be harder to trust Ecco or Pmom if Inf flips town? I don't understand this because Pmom said straight out that his was a policy vote, and I am fairly sure Ecco's vote is similar. I don't understand how policy votes would affect your perception of a player's ability to judge alignment when the votes have nothing to do with alignment.
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Apr 6, 2017 12:07
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Somberbrero posted:inf just claim. everything you're saying right now feels like spin. Really? I don't find that to be true at all
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Apr 6, 2017 13:53
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My suspicion of Slamburger is compounded by the fact that he hand-waved away my point that he seemed super defensive and then disappeared off the face of the earth. I never want to rush to vote low-content posters early on but my hackles are up here.
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Apr 6, 2017 13:54
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TNL is the greatest, just wanted to share that. He may be scum hiding behind a strong gimmick but that's cool with me for now.
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Apr 6, 2017 13:56
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I'm here Hal, I just didn't have much time for the game yesterday. My current scum reads are PMom, 100yrs, and Somber. I'll type up some details.
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Apr 6, 2017 14:22
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Flying Leatherman posted:I still really dislike 100yrs justifications for his vote. In addition, Because it leaves a bad taste in the mouth regardless? I can take Ecco's advice on a lark and screw up once or twice before deciding not to do that again.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:07
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But you've double downed on the lark, and offered very little in the way of opinions on anyone else in a game where the D1 joke phase died off almost instantly. Gimme yo top 3 scumspects 100yrs
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Apr 6, 2017 15:10
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All of my reads stem from the Infin stuff since thats been the main thing going on today. For PMom, as much as I get where he's coming from 100% about Inf (I was on his team in megaman), going all-in feels like cover to avoid having to deal with D1. 100yrs pinged my gut with this post. It strikes a weird balance of over-explainy, but at the same time a "its D1 who cares" vibe. I know other people mentioned this and he further explained it as his posting style, but I still thought it was odd when I read it the first time. Somber comes off the worst surrounding the Inf thing though. It really just seems like he wants to turbo to go through but is wrestling with how hard to commit to it or why he should be committing. At least PMom and Ecco are being 100% clear that its a policy lynch, and 100yrs has a consistent position of "D1 who cares, I'll follow Ecco". Somber is a lot more opportunistic. Look at the sequence of everything: 1. Somber gets on board once it has some steam (4th vote). 2. Then he makes his "Explain why you AREN'T on the turbo" post which feels a lot more like vote pressure than some kind of content exercise. He defends his request that it can promote future analysis but doesn't do any. 3. Then this post is Bad: Somberbrero posted:yeah i'm still feeling the inf vote. if i had to switch, it'd be to 100. something about his posting feels deeply awkward. not to be lovely, he just seems to be posting Very Carefully. This is where he just decides that now Infin is actually scum and its not a joke turbo / opportunity for D1 content, rather its a scum lynch. But instead of calling out Infin's reaction as scummy, which would be the town pov, he goes with: Somberbrero posted:i think the voting pattern indicates that the push was mostly if not all town and you are scum, with the stall out coming at least in some effort from your scumteam. ##vote Somberbrero
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Apr 6, 2017 15:16
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Infinitum posted:But you've double downed on the lark, and offered very little in the way of opinions on anyone else in a game where the D1 joke phase died off almost instantly. I'm not doubling down and I'm willing to unvote. My top suspect is actually Keane due to the fluff of his posts. He brings up several times why the examining the turbo is interesting and never really does. He talks a bit about how using flavor to prove scum is a non-starter, but again doesn't take that far enough into an accusation or anything. Keane's definitely around and reading, and I don't think he's disinterested, but I do think he's trying to keep a low profile. Moat is also on my radar. As for a third I'd have to do a more thorough re-read but as always I'm wary of lurkers, and I find Mr. F's! posting erratic and strange. For what it's worth I don't find you scummy and if I hadn't been asked to vote you in the first place I wouldn't have. At this point I'm just passively-aggressively waiting for one thing to unvote because I'm feeling petulant.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:24
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I'll petulate you in a minute mate
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Apr 6, 2017 15:29
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Thank you 100yrs for keeping the faith for this long. Blessed are you when they persecute you for my sake,. Resist the devil and his snares, solid in your faith, and your reward will be tenfold in the kingdom.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:33
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Somberbrero posted:this is incredibly weird. I should precise that I meant 2 sentences of everything I've said in game. Not in that one post.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:35
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I'm now re-reading post histories, up to now I've just been reading the thread as is and commenting as I go along if it wasn't clear. Anon's last two comments are weird. Particularly: AnonymousNarcotics posted:I can't tell if we're serious posting yet or not Because I'm pretty sure it's abundantly clear that we are. It's not outright scummy though, but it's definitely someone who isn't following as closely as they should be. Re-reading Chores, there's a lot of garbage posting in there which I'm in no way fond of. I don't care if they haven't read their PM, they can still make some effort. That wasn't why Mr. F! was calling for his execution but yeah. Hawke is similar but more coherent somehow? I'm not bothered by Hawke's posting in the way I am by Chores. So to better answer my Top 3: Keane, Chores, and Moat.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:36
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Slamburger posted:It strikes a weird balance of over-explainy, but at the same time a "its D1 who cares" vibe. This guy gets it. Actually that's an interesting take on Somber, and not how I read him. In fact I thought his point was pretty interesting, about the scum-team stalling. Now I don't know what you think you mean by "Fake Fake Fake" but it's made me think that it's strange that Somber would go after Infinitum rather than those who he believes are stalling, supposedly also Scum. I'd like to know who he thinks those are myself.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:42
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But it's midnight and I'm nodding off soon, so here are my hot-takes before I go to bed. - I stand by my analysis of the 'turbo' on me - Still happy with my vote on 100yrs for the turbo, aligning with Ecco, and not really having an opinion for so long. He's been questioned by other players and I'm in the same mind as FL that I'm not really liking what I'm seeing - Ecco dragging out-of-thread drama into the game as reasons for his policy vote is basically a poop emoji growing to gigantic proportions. I find this an underhanded way to play, she's smarter than this, and I think she's hiding behind a 'policy lynch' to lurk. - PMom policy voting me for supposed 'anti-town play' from previous games, but voting me as part of the turbo is super duper  levels of ironic.- Both players have since vanished from the thread after making the 10 post minimum requirements for the day and I don't like that one bit. They're literally not participating in discussion at all other than "Why aren't you voting Inf" and I find that extremely scummy behaviour. Both of them need to start participating and soon. - I don't like Somber asking me to claim up above after the last page of interaction. This post in particular is particularly egregious about judging my alignment when I hadn't even posted in the thread yet. - Would like to hear more from other players about Slamburger or Chores and their reasons for voting
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Apr 6, 2017 15:43
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EccoRaven posted:Thank you 100yrs for keeping the faith for this long. Blessed are you when they persecute you for my sake,. Resist the devil and his snares, solid in your faith, and your reward will be tenfold in the kingdom. Top 3 scumspects kgo
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Apr 6, 2017 15:44
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Yeah I don't get the stuff on Burger. Chores though I can understand, but I can only see it in the first degree of bad poo poo-posting, any other subtleties to his play escape me. Somber reads way differently to me via post history than in thread. They come off worse in the latter definitely, but that final bit just felt conversational to me as in a "heat of the moment" sort of thing.
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Apr 6, 2017 15:48
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100YrsofAttitude posted:I'm now re-reading post histories, up to now I've just been reading the thread as is and commenting as I go along if it wasn't clear. this is a manufactured read
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Apr 6, 2017 16:02
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got some chores tonight posted:this is a manufactured read I finally had time to look into people more closely outside of any initial feelings reached by reading the thread as it's appeared. got some chores tonight posted:mags is probably the second worst mafia player in this game; i dont think ive ever seen him be right about a single vote hes ever made There's a handful of posts that express any sort of opinion, this one is the most genuine by my reckoning. got some chores tonight posted:dick scum prob I decided to take this one seriously but it's hard to say. Your vote on slam I don't take seriously, I consider it a jokevote regarding the flavor. To your benefit it's a lot more painful to just sit down and read your post-history than within the context of thread, which is why I hadn't noticed it until now. You seem to really just poo poo-post and avoid the game. In contrast Hawke, who I'm also considering a poo poo-poster, is engaging on some level and having back and forth's on thread related issues making it seem more genuine.
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Apr 6, 2017 16:15
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Infinitum posted:But it's midnight and I'm nodding off soon, so here are my hot-takes before I go to bed. Solid town post in my opinion. I don't get why infi is constantly a D1 target and policy votes are stupid and scummy except in extreme cases
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Apr 6, 2017 16:35
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got some chores tonight posted:this is a manufactured read Pretty much everything 100 says in this game sounds manufactured, hilarious since it is supposedly all stream of consciousness
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Apr 6, 2017 16:36
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100YrsofAttitude posted:Now I don't know what you think you mean by "Fake Fake Fake" but it's made me think that it's strange that Somber would go after Infinitum rather than those who he believes are stalling, supposedly also Scum. To further explain, my main issue is that Somber is currently voting Infin because (he claims) that he thinks he's scum. When Infin directly asked him why (response with quote here), I would expect a genuine/towny thought process to be "Well when the turbo started, your X, Y, and Z responses were scummy". Instead, Somber goes to the "vote pattern" as his evidence of Inf's guilt. I believe that this is fake/scummy reasoning.
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Apr 6, 2017 16:44
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Hal Incandenza posted:I don't get why infi is constantly a D1 target and policy votes are stupid and scummy except in extreme cases To soapbox a little about policy lynches. There is a difference between "bad" players that don't post useful opinions or use poor strategy or post in a way that I arbitrarily don't care for, and players that actually torpedo games. Infinitum plays the games he's in and contributes content, even when I disagree with it. Contrast that with like Harold Krell who made an honest scum claim in a game I was running and made people lynch him D1. Punishing people and trying to prevent them from a playing a game should be reserved for the latter. Otherwise I consider it bad sportsmanship. I get it with Infin. He made really dumb decisions in Megaman, and had terrible reads. He just NK'ed me on N1 in another game I just played. Part of me feels like "yeah get him!". But turbos and policy lynches are bad for the game.
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Apr 6, 2017 16:56
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100, is the chance that you may be doing scum's bidding by mislynching Inf an acceptable risk to do a favor for a friend? What is your take on Ecco's alignment so far ? Do you think Ecco's beef with Inf is reasonable?
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Apr 6, 2017 16:58
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eight hours to go, the scum defending infinitum should really coalesce around a single candidate if they want to save him. 100yrs is town, his posting sounds weird because he's been in France for so long, it otherwise doesn't sound like anything unusual for how he normally types. I don't have any real opinions of Slamburger. hey slamburger if you voted for Inf instead of Somber (who is not getting voted today) you would do the world a big mitzvah and yourself as well.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:00
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Dick Bastardly posted:Do you think Ecco's beef with Inf is reasonable? I am voting for him because he's a lovely player and he needs to leave.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:01
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Slamburger posted:Infinitum plays the games he's in and contributes content, even when I disagree with it.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:02
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EccoRaven posted:hey slamburger if you voted for Inf instead of Somber (who is not getting voted today) you would do the world a big mitzvah and yourself as well. Do you disagree with my reasoning for why he's scum? Do you think Somber is town?
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Apr 6, 2017 17:04
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Slamburger posted:Do you disagree with my reasoning for why he's scum? Do you think Somber is town? I think somber voting for Inf is a good vote. I think it's perfectly valid to want Inf to be removed from the game and to say the voting pattern doesn't dissuade him. I neither agree nor disagree - I could see persuasive arguments either way (inf town vs. inf scum and scum voting for him vs. scum not) - but I can see why Somber would side the way he has, and so it doesn't read as scummy to me.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:05
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EccoRaven posted:eight hours to go, the scum defending infinitum should really coalesce around a single candidate if they want to save him. the council has convened and we have chose to execute slumburger
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Apr 6, 2017 17:07
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EccoRaven posted:no he doesn't. I disagree. Inf's "content" may be off the mark most of the time, but I think it can lend to provoking thoughts. Specifically, I like to take Inf's lumpen lists and literally flip them upside down so that his town reads become his scum reads. That seems to end up being more accurate. 100, feel free to answer my questions for you on your own behalf.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:07
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There is a kneejerk feeling in mafia to want to say "I am voting <player> because they are scum/scummy," which is a good kneejerk to have because like I have said before the vast majority of the time that's what we should be doing anyway. But there are fringe cases where that must be discarded for the good of the game. Somber saying "the vote patterns!" is not inherently scummy even ordinarily, and us all being a fringe case right now makes it even less so.
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Apr 6, 2017 17:08
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Dick Bastardly posted:I disagree. Inf's "content" may be off the mark most of the time, but I think it can lend to provoking thoughts. Specifically, I like to take Inf's lumpen lists and literally flip them upside down so that his town reads become his scum reads. That seems to end up being more accurate. lol
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Apr 6, 2017 17:09
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i dont actually need to lynch infi now that hes been scared straight im ok w/ lynching actual scum like slamburger now
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