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Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

How's the bad thread this fine morning

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tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

deadgoon posted:

im part of the ctrl-alt-del left

im rebooting the american dream

u can use that one if ur a socialist u have my permission otherwise hands off

I'm in the [windows key] + left arrow Left. I'm multitasking online social justice war on one side of the screen while reading a thread on the internet on the other.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

zegermans posted:

How's the bad thread this fine morning

why ask us, go to D&D and ask them yourself :confused:

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I'm like a UPS driver in England, I only turn left.

BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf

mugrim posted:

That literally happened in her campaign. She was running a national presidential election worse than your average large city mayoral candidate runs. She's a nepotism case who would need to be blessed by god to ever ascend as high as the house if her charismatic husband wasn't there. If her husband wasn't a former president who she could use as a cudgel to bully people with by promising to not have one of the few democrat presidents alive help them, she'd be lucky to be in a state legislature.

Hey this reminds me of my favorite thing from D&D election threads, Hilary being parachuted into the NY senate race is NOT nepotism because a wife and husband aren't actually family and furthermore FAARRRTTT

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Yeah is "if Hillary Rodham had never married Bill Clinton she would have amounted to extremely little and would probably be a lanyard on some appointed committee somewhere" one of those opinions you Cannot Have for some reason

Like, it's def a stone-cold thing to say about someone, but that's life as a public figure

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

I'm like a UPS driver in England, I only turn left.

Mind you, sometimes I do it because there are some really good ideas, other times 'cause I can be a rather spitefull cuss sometimes.

Can't help it, it runs in the family.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Fun fact, Hillary had higher national prominence than Bill when they started their life in the public spotlight. But no she hasn't earned anything and really she should have just recused herself after winning the primary because a man who wasn't even a democrat the year before decided to join the race.

A shame that this is the end of the Rodham dynasty, with her powerful father and his screen printing empire.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

I'm like a UPS driver in England, I only turn left.

nice.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

zegermans posted:

Fun fact, Hillary had higher national prominence than Bill when they started their life in the public spotlight. But no she hasn't earned anything and really she should have just recused herself after winning the primary because a man who wasn't even a democrat the year before decided to join the race.

A shame that this is the end of the Rodham dynasty, with her powerful father and his screen printing empire.

what exactly does "higher national prominence" mean in the context of a U of A law professor running for governor of Arkansas in 1978

did u know that before Elizabeth Warren ran for Senate, more people on a national scale actually knew who Scott Brown was :eyepop: better give him back his senate seat

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Ace of Baes posted:

Genocidal Tulsi Gabbard is less bloodthirsty than the Dems

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/851232602904174592

I'll toxx right now if Tulsi runs In 2020 and gets a Bernie endorsement, she will be our next president.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

The Nastier Nate posted:

I'll toxx right now if Tulsi runs In 2020 and gets a Bernie endorsement, she will be our next president.

You think if her primary "brand" between the 2016 primary and 2020 is "that lady who's always talking about which muslims we should kill and how hard we should kill them" she'd still be able to get a Bernie endorsement? His rep is based around valuing principle and the good of the country over other more personal things like loyalty, and reputation is particularly important for someone in his position.

hell, which party would she run under

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

loquacius posted:

You think if her primary "brand" between the 2016 primary and 2020 is "that lady who's always talking about which muslims we should kill and how hard we should kill them" she'd still be able to get a Bernie endorsement? His rep is based around valuing principle and the good of the country over other more personal things like loyalty, and reputation is particularly important for someone in his position.

hell, which party would she run under

If she makes a strong case for single payer and tax the rich, sure. At least Tulsi has more than a goldfish memory and realized the clusterfuck Trump is about to get us in compared to bad dems. Given that Bernie prides himself on voting against the Iraq war I think he could easily justify an endorsement.

Has Tulsi made any public statements about accepting or not accepting Syrian refugees?

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Condiv posted:

why would it stop being valid? sure, there are things they can work overtime on, but building name recognition takes time and bernie didn't really have it before 2016. obama didn't jump in late by comparison and was much more prepared to get his message out there cause his campaign was always an actual campaign, not a protest one.

i don't see how this isn't Bernie's fault, though

he entered Congress the same year Obama graduated law school. he's had a much longer political career and plenty of time to try and get his name out there if he wanted to

i respect the guy but i think it's pretty fair to say he never really wanted to be president, and therefore he never really laid the groundwork for a campaign

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

The Nastier Nate posted:

If she makes a strong case for single payer and tax the rich, sure. At least Tulsi has more than a goldfish memory and realized the clusterfuck Trump is about to get us in compared to bad dems. Given that Bernie prides himself on voting against the Iraq war I think he could easily justify an endorsement.

Well, for one thing, Tulsi's objection to this bombing isn't that it happened, it's that we bombed the wrong people. Building an anti-war camapaign around her is a huge stretch.

For another thing if she wants to start talking about domestic policy she should probably get on that soon because her war-hawk persona is rapidly becoming the most prominent thing about her.

Main Paineframe posted:

i don't see how this isn't Bernie's fault, though

he entered Congress the same year Obama graduated law school. he's had a much longer political career and plenty of time to try and get his name out there if he wanted to

i respect the guy but i think it's pretty fair to say he never really wanted to be president, and therefore he never really laid the groundwork for a campaign

I agree except for the part where not wanting to be President is a negative of some kind. He only ran when it became clear no one else from the liberal wing was going to run, and only as a protest candidacy that at some point became bigger than him.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

The Nastier Nate posted:

If she makes a strong case for single payer and tax the rich, sure. At least Tulsi has more than a goldfish memory and realized the clusterfuck Trump is about to get us in compared to bad dems. Given that Bernie prides himself on voting against the Iraq war I think he could easily justify an endorsement.

Has Tulsi made any public statements about accepting or not accepting Syrian refugees?

she typically supported GOP anti-refugee and anti-Muslim-immigration bills up until Donald Trump became president, at which point she suddenly started to publicly speak out against Trump's refugee bans and immigration restrictions

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Main Paineframe posted:

she typically supported GOP anti-refugee and anti-Muslim-immigration bills up until Donald Trump became president, at which point she suddenly started to publicly speak out against Trump's refugee bans and immigration restrictions

Sounds like presidential matieral to me, but I agree with above where she needs to get into domestic policy.

Still, attractive young surfer lady, veteran, anti Trumps war and progressive economic views is at least some great groundwork for a candidate.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm the pearls being clutched anytime Rep. Tulsi Gabbard says something.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

If I had never heard her name before the election I'd be assuming she's a blue dog who hates The Establishment because they're not as obsessed with ISIS as she is. Very few people who weren't berniebros before the election have ever heard of her in any other context. The Muslim-death bloodlust would be an albatross for her w/r/t leftist support if she stopped talking about it right now, today, and never started up again. If she continues to make it as high a priority as she has I don't see a future for her.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

The Nastier Nate posted:

Sounds like presidential matieral to me, but I agree with above where she needs to get into domestic policy.

Still, attractive young surfer lady, veteran, anti Trumps war and progressive economic views is at least some great groundwork for a candidate.

It'll be like a modern day LBJ - lots of great domestic progressive policies, and horror overseas to dark skinned people that we try not to think about

Serf
May 5, 2011


looks to me like gabbard is in the right party for her

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Serf posted:

looks to me like gabbard is in the right party for her

nah she's too progressive domestically.

she needs to be in a party that has a strong nationalistic theme, but is also big into socialism. Some type of national socialist party.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

When was the last time she talked about domestic policy, anyway? I admit I'm not up to date on my Gabbard News.

If I were on her staff I'd tell her to start trying to get in on those joint progressive love-in rallies like the one Sanders and Warren did in Boston last week and be recorded standing on a stage being as socialist as possible, get some photo-ops with Keith or whatever, and then privately accept that trying to exert influence on Trump's foreign policy is a boondoggle that can only make her look bad and commit to never talking about it again. Hire me Tulsi, I will accept rates lower than Robby Mook Money.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
hillary really hosed up

if trump gets another supreme court nomination y'all can kiss any hopes of single health payer goodbye because it's gonna be ruled unconstitutional

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

The Nastier Nate posted:

I'll toxx right now if Tulsi runs In 2020 and gets a Bernie endorsement, she will be our next president.

I'll toxx for Tulsi and she supports single payer/universal healthcare or free college.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

zegermans posted:

Fun fact, Hillary had higher national prominence than Bill when they started their life in the public spotlight. But no she hasn't earned anything and really she should have just recused herself after winning the primary because a man who wasn't even a democrat the year before decided to join the race.

It's true, she should have taken one for the team.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

hillary really hosed up

if trump gets another supreme court nomination y'all can kiss any hopes of single health payer goodbye because it's gonna be ruled unconstitutional

volunteering to donate some of my vital youthful blood to RBG, really Thiel her up

Can we get her on the Tom Brady avocado-ice-cream diet, really try to extend her active playing career as long as possible

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

hillary really hosed up

if trump gets another supreme court nomination y'all can kiss any hopes of single health payer goodbye because it's gonna be ruled unconstitutional

it'd probably be ruled unconstitutional now

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

hillary really hosed up

if trump gets another supreme court nomination y'all can kiss any hopes of single health payer goodbye because it's gonna be ruled unconstitutional

Turns out she was prophesying when she said single payer will never happen

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

I also find myself in the extremely odd position of hoping Clarence Thomas does not die anytime soon :wth:

The oldest justices left on the SC right now are all Dem appointees, it's very worrying

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

loquacius posted:

I also find myself in the extremely odd position of hoping Clarence Thomas does not die anytime soon :wth:

The oldest justices left on the SC right now are all Dem appointees, it's very worrying

I'd rather Thomas get replaced than any of the dem justices. His occasional "regulating drugs is bad because the federal government probably shouldn't exist" opinions are few and far between.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
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Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
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tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

zegermans posted:

I'd rather Thomas get replaced than any of the dem justices. His occasional "regulating drugs is bad because the federal government probably shouldn't exist" opinions are few and far between.

Thomas is far worse than another Gorsuch, as far as I can tell on this the 10th day of April in the Year of our Lord 2017.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
RBG should have had the good goddamn sense to retire a couple years ago.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

zegermans posted:

I'd rather Thomas get replaced than any of the dem justices. His occasional "regulating drugs is bad because the federal government probably shouldn't exist" opinions are few and far between.

Yeah, the thing is I don't want him to die during a Republican presidency. I want him to keep kicking around at least until we manage to get someone into office who won't replace him with Clarence Thomas Again But Born In 1970 This Time.

Obviously RBG, Kennedy, and Breyer need to eat their goddamn Wheaties too because they are all very old and it vexes me greatly

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



hot take incoming: the supreme court is an undemocratic institution and is bad

Serf
May 5, 2011


if the conservative justices were smart, they'd ride this out for a while and then retire at various points during the trump presidency to be replaced by younger, stronger justices who will ensure 1000 years of conservative darkness. if a liberal justice dies, then lol eternal

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Shear Modulus posted:

hot take incoming: the supreme court is an undemocratic institution and is bad

The Supreme Court is good in theory as a non-partisan body who only cares about The Law and The Constitution and nothing else

In practice, they're basically a way for past presidents to exert influence on future presidents, which is a mixed bag as it's heavily dependent on what the political situation in the country is when a justice dies or retires. That's without even getting into the possibilities of a rogue legislative body loving with everything like the GOP did when Scalia died.

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Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Shear Modulus posted:

hot take incoming: the supreme court is an undemocratic institution and is bad

so are most socialist governments, but the ends justify the means.

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