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Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Master Twig posted:

Are phones the only device on which people view video?

No but by default we keep the phone vertical for many apps like texting of phone calls or even viewing video because you can do it one handed. I get that its better horizontal but I don't get all the rage about it. Its simply easier to do it vertical and more natural.

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WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Jastiger posted:

No but by default we keep the phone vertical for many apps like texting of phone calls or even viewing video because you can do it one handed. I get that its better horizontal but I don't get all the rage about it. Its simply easier to do it vertical and more natural.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt9zSfinwFA

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Free trade is still the most sensible and efficient basis for international relations.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Wheat Loaf posted:

Free trade is still the most sensible and efficient basis for international relations.

One world government is the only reasonable way forward. Dividing people into countries just encourages never-ending conflict.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Wheat Loaf posted:

Free trade is still the most sensible and efficient basis for international relations.

Free trade between workers of the world of the products produced under communism, correct.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Whatever, so long as there are no tariffs and no restriction on the movement of goods or services everything should be fine.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Wheat Loaf posted:

Free trade is still the most sensible and efficient basis for international relations.

Free trade - governed by regulations protecting workers and stopping a race to the bottom.

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Cute. But until i can record horizontal one handed, its gonna be vertical most of the time.

burial
Sep 13, 2002

actually, that won't be necessary.

steinrokkan posted:

That's a good point, you wouldn't want people who are incapable of possessing any morality to be part of the justice process.

See? We've really got something here.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Jastiger posted:

Cute. But until i can record horizontal one handed, its gonna be vertical most of the time.

Are you incapable of holding a phone horizontally and one handed? It's not some impossible task.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Baronjutter posted:

Free trade between workers of the world of the products produced under communism, correct.

Communism will never work. I stand by my one world government opinion but feel the USA is the only nation capable of doing it right and it would have to be at least be a capitalist society, if not authoritarian.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Any capitalist society is an authoritarian society.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
The most important element of the NHS is that healthcare is free at the point of access, not that it is publically owned.

Public ownership is not an end in itself - it is simply the most reliable and practicable structure for ensuring free healthcare at the point of access.

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

WampaLord posted:

Are you incapable of holding a phone horizontally and one handed? It's not some impossible task.

Yes.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

yeah I eat rear end posted:

One world government is the only reasonable way forward. Dividing people into countries just encourages never-ending conflict.

The world is too big, with too many people with different cultures and economic environments to ever be governed by one entity in a way that would satisfy even a fraction of the majority.

Even in the countries we have people blame Washington/Brussels/London/Cardiff lawmakers for being out of touch with the people.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

yeah I eat rear end posted:

Communism will never work. I stand by my one world government opinion but feel the USA is the only nation capable of doing it right and it would have to be at least be a capitalist society, if not authoritarian.

The USA is a garbage heap that can't even get its people basic healthcare. No thanks.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Wheat Loaf posted:

Whatever, so long as there are no tariffs and no restriction on the movement of goods or services everything should be fine.

What if one country is producing a product using slave labour and destroying the environment and another country actually has some basic regulations?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Baronjutter posted:

What if one country is producing a product using slave labour and destroying the environment and another country actually has some basic regulations?

Since the fall of the USSR there has been a movement in GATT/ WTO to protect national labor legislation and particular national interests, fronted by developing countries. It needs to grow stronger, though, to achieve the obvious goals you are hinting at.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

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sassassin posted:

The USA is a garbage heap that can't even get its people basic healthcare. No thanks.

It does have the best doctors in the world though. Everyone who has earned it gets the healthcare they need.

Also it doesn't matter whether all the people are "satisfied" by the new government. It's for the greater good.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

yeah I eat rear end posted:

It does have the best doctors in the world though. Everyone who has earned it gets the healthcare they need.

Jesus Christ, did you wake up today and decide to try being a massive shithead? I remember agreeing with your other opinions earlier.

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
So poor children just need to work harder for good health care.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

steinrokkan posted:

Jesus Christ, did you wake up today and decide to try being a massive shithead? I remember agreeing with your other opinions earlier.

It's the unpopular opinions thread, if everyone agrees with them I am posting incorrectly.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Baronjutter posted:

What if one country is producing a product using slave labour and destroying the environment and another country actually has some basic regulations?

I imagine it would depend on the individual consumer.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

yeah I eat rear end posted:

It's the unpopular opinions thread, if everyone agrees with them I am posting incorrectly.

It's the ultimate paradox of this thread. If the bulk of responses are people who are angry and upset, then the post was a good one.

Grandmother of Five
May 9, 2008


I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
I don't really get the point of striving for a one world government. Any system, or group of interlocked systems, will need checks & balances in an attempt to prevent an ultimate consolidation of power, I think. Just because there is "one" government, that doesn't mean that the system will be any less complex or free of strife than a system of multiple nation-states. A system consisting of one government, or one party, doesn't remove the need for checks & balances, at all.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Wheat Loaf posted:

I imagine it would depend on the individual consumer.

Ah yes, it should have depended on the individual consumer if he wanted to buy cheap textile goods made possible thanks to the enterprising plantation owners in the southern states. loving treasonous wretch Lincoln barged in and disrupted the consumer market.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
If money wasn't an issue than anyone with brains would choose US doctors for treatment.

Sadly money is an issue, but while public healthcare is good, the US is not a Mad Max barbarian hellscape where people die of the plague and every young boy is drafted to fight the forever war. Even if you're black. It's actually overall a comfy and sweet place to live, and overall on a better trajectory than most european countries.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
"Listen, Li, I know you don't like breathing formaldehyde ten hours a day in the last trimester of your pregnancy, but Jeff from Connecticut has made a free, informed decision that he wants Nikes for a certain price, and his ability to get them is more important than your or your baby's life. Please disregard the fact that virtually nothing of the cost of the shoes is represented by your labor, and that we could pay you many times more if we reduced our net profit from 95% to 75%"

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

If money wasn't an issue than anyone with brains would choose US doctors for treatment.

Sadly money is an issue, but while public healthcare is good, the US is not a Mad Max barbarian hellscape where people die of the plague and every young boy is drafted to fight the forever war. Even if you're black. It's actually overall a comfy and sweet place to live, and overall on a better trajectory than most european countries.

THe problem is that it is the AMerican doctors who dictate the prices through the AMA. They are the driving force behind the runaway spiral of unsustainable healthcare, the other actors just defer to their decisions.

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

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Grandmother of Five posted:

I don't really get the point of striving for a one world government. Any system, or group of interlocked systems, will need checks & balances in an attempt to prevent an ultimate consolidation of power, I think. Just because there is "one" government, that doesn't mean that the system will be any less complex or free of strife than a system of multiple nation-states. A system consisting of one government, or one party, doesn't remove the need for checks & balances, at all.

I guess my overall unpopular opinion that "an ultimate consolidation of power" isn't necessarily a bad thing that should be fought against, as long as they are right.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

yeah I eat rear end posted:

I guess my overall unpopular opinion that "an ultimate consolidation of power" isn't necessarily a bad thing that should be fought against, as long as they are right.

Yeah, but they're never right so....

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Now, obviously if it looked like the socialists or the communists were going to win - say in some hypothetical revolution - then of course I would go over to their side despite not being terribly convinced of all their ideas. It's foolish to commit yourself unswervingly to any one ideology or set of principles and not keep your options open; it's sensible to be flexible about it.

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yeah I eat rear end posted:

I guess my overall unpopular opinion that "an ultimate consolidation of power" isn't necessarily a bad thing that should be fought against, as long as they are right.

You're almost there

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Wheat Loaf posted:

Now, obviously if it looked like the socialists or the communists were going to win - say in some hypothetical revolution - then of course I would go over to their side. It's foolish to commit yourself unswervingly to any set of ideas and sensible to be flexible.

People who want single payer are already in the majority, but useful idiots like you are doing their best to erase them from public discourse with your ideas of American exceptionalism, making up reasons why the things that work in every other country are impossible in America.

Grandmother of Five
May 9, 2008


I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.

yeah I eat rear end posted:

I guess my overall unpopular opinion that "an ultimate consolidation of power" isn't necessarily a bad thing that should be fought against, as long as they are right.

I doubt anyone would really disagree with that, but would just find it unrealistic. The point is whether you are willing to trust any one authority with an absolute power, or if you feel that a system of checks & balances is necessary. I'm of the opinion that anyone who has paid attention in history class would believe that the saying about absolute power corrupting absolutely isn't just an empty phrase.

That doesn't have to be an argument against capitalism, or socialism, or whatever else, but simply that system needs in-built checks & balances that creates a certain distribution of power between government branches, political parties, or corporations, or whatever other entities a system may encompass.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

steinrokkan posted:

People who want single payer are already in the majority, but useful idiots like you are doing their best to erase them from public discourse with your ideas of American exceptionalism, making up reasons why the things that work in every other country are impossible in America.

I live in Northern Ireland.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Wheat Loaf posted:

I live in Northern Ireland.

So you are one of the assholes who think it's alright if bad things happen to people abroad. I don't live in America either, but that doesn't mean I can't see Americans as people.

BTW, please answer my question: Was the American slavery justified if there was consumer demand for what it delivered?

yeah I eat ass
Mar 14, 2005

only people who enjoy my posting can replace this avatar

Grandmother of Five posted:

I doubt anyone would really disagree with that, but would just find it unrealistic. The point is whether you are willing to trust any one authority with an absolute power, or if you feel that a system of checks & balances is necessary. I'm of the opinion that anyone who has paid attention in history class would believe that the saying about absolute power corrupting absolutely isn't just an empty phrase.

That doesn't have to be an argument against capitalism, or socialism, or whatever else, but simply that system needs in-built checks & balances that creates a certain distribution of power between government branches, political parties, or corporations, or whatever other entities a system may encompass.

I think the key is to appoint someone who didn't seek the position, and hold them accountable if things go south.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

steinrokkan posted:

BTW, please answer my question: Was the American slavery justified if there was consumer demand for what it delivered?

I don't believe so, no.

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

yeah I eat rear end posted:

I think the key is to appoint someone who didn't seek the position, and hold them accountable if things go south.

You know a politician who believed it was his duty to derve the nation, and who saw himself as a sort of sacrificial lamb at the altar of government, making the hard decisions at a personal cost?

Richard Nixon.

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