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Baron Corbyn posted:It's not loading for me. I think a lot of people are doing that right now. Their "poll of polls" in March predicted a 112 conservative majority iirc
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Labour members are not reflective of Labour voters; that's been true since the 1950s, although its impact on the policies of the party ebbs to and fro Corbyn aside, if it were reflective of the voters, the party would be a heck lot more racist and sexist, since that's the British electorate at large
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Namtab posted:Ultimately regardless of what you think of Corbyn it's an outrage that Labour mps have the level of contempt for the party membership that they do. Labour MPs are more in tune with labour voters than the party membership.
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Apr 18, 2017 12:33
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Namtab posted:Ultimately regardless of what you think of Corbyn it's an outrage that Labour mps have the level of contempt for the party membership that they do. It turns out grassroots democracy and career politicians who haven't talked to a constituent outside of PR events in decades don't mix, and grassroots democracy with grassroots leadership doesn't work without a powerful civil service to prop it up Yes Minister-style.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Apr 18, 2017 12:34
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blowfish posted:It turns out grassroots democracy and career politicians who haven't talked to a constituent outside of PR events in decades don't mix, and grassroots democracy with grassroots leadership doesn't work without a powerful civil service to prop it up Yes Minister-style. 'Grassroots' is horseshit.
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Apr 18, 2017 12:37
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So is it due to Tory infighting/not a big enough majority? I'd expect them to wait longer to do a pre-Brexit election and get the boundary changes in. They'd want to get it in before the political and economic reality of Brexit further hits voters and Labour is unfortunately not going to be in a better position any time soon.
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I was brought up to hate the tories with the feverence that Celtic supporters hate Rangers supporters. This is all very confusing and I wish someone would give me the cliff notes on wether this election is a good or bad thing
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I'm just waiting to hear that Farage to announce he's going to stand again to make my day somehow even worse
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hakimashou posted:Oh good God. It probably means he's not stupid enough to talk about losing an election before it happens.
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Apr 18, 2017 12:38
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hakimashou posted:Oh good God. No party leader would ever answer in the affirmative to this question ahead of a general election, because it would be seen as defeatist. Put the question to May, or Farron, or Sturgeon and see what their answer is. If it's a wipeout, I'm expecting him to stand down later in the year once the leadership rules have been changed.
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hakimashou posted:You think Jeremy Corbyn is going to get a majority of seats in parliament and be able to ignore the tories and just run the country the way he wants? Well in a hypothetical situation where Labour career politicians didn't suck, the press didn't suck, Corbyn's public engagement skills were less mediocre, and he got a majority (or Libdem coalition, with some concessions to the main thing Libdems stand for, i.e. token ministerial posts for Libdem politicians).
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Pissflaps posted:Labour MPs are more in tune with labour voters than the party membership. MPs are almost uniformly moronic useless wastes of space. it's the members who have to walk the streets convincing the mentally handicapped and politically illiterate electorate who to vote for. Now that tribalism is gone and the working classes think they understand politics because they read a Facebook article we have no chance. MPs lol
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Carecat posted:So is it due to Tory infighting/not a big enough majority? I'd expect them to wait longer to do a pre-Brexit election and get the boundary changes in. They'd want to get it in before the political and economic reality of Brexit further hits voters and Labour is unfortunately not going to be in a better position any time soon. The timing seems to coincide with Corbyn driving Labour into record low polling.
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Carecat posted:So is it due to Tory infighting/not a big enough majority? I'd expect them to wait longer to do a pre-Brexit election and get the boundary changes in. They'd want to get it in before the political and economic reality of Brexit further hits voters and Labour is unfortunately not going to be in a better position any time soon. There's no Tory infighting. It's to kill off the opposition, mostly in the house of Lords where they can do harm.
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Carecat posted:So is it due to Tory infighting/not a big enough majority? I'd expect them to wait longer to do a pre-Brexit election and get the boundary changes in. They'd want to get it in before the political and economic reality of Brexit further hits voters and Labour is unfortunately not going to be in a better position any time soon. its labour being poo poo and the tories are facing lots of by-elections
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https://twitter.com/CliveTyldesley/status/854288902278008834
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Apr 18, 2017 12:40
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Prince John posted:No party leader would ever answer in the affirmative to this question ahead of a general election, because it would be seen as defeatist. Not to mention it becomes a referendum on them. See how the Italian referendum flipped overnight from "Yes" to "No" once Renzi said if he lost the referendum then he'd resign.
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Think the only real hope we've got is that May does so poorly in any televised debate that even the papers can't cover for her. Which isn't impossible considering how terrible May is at public speaking and how Corbyn did in Labour leadership elections. But it's probably up there with hoping that a snowball lasts long enough in Hell to win the lottery the same day it got struck by lightning twice in the same spot. Still, nobody expected Trump or Brexit to actually happen so who knows.
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RideTheSpiral posted:MPs are almost uniformly moronic useless wastes of space. it's the members who have to walk the streets convincing the mentally handicapped and politically illiterate electorate who to vote for. ...are you a labour member and campaigner yourself ?
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hakimashou posted:You think Jeremy Corbyn is going to get a majority of seats in parliament and be able to ignore the tories and just run the country the way he wants? If he can't do that, then what is the point of him? Corbyn no doubt sucks for many reasons, but there is one thing he has a solid track record of; winning elections. He quite likely has won more consecutive elections than any other prominent figure in British politics. The bookies give him a 5% chance of wining this one; 20/1 chances come in all the time.
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Pissflaps posted:...are you a labour member and campaigner yourself ? Yes
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radmonger posted:If he can't do that, then what is the point of him? Jesus Christ.
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Tesseraction posted:Not to mention it becomes a referendum on them. See how the Italian referendum flipped overnight from "Yes" to "No" once Renzi said if he lost the referendum then he'd resign. I suppose if they knew it would get rid of him, responsible Labour voters might vote Tory or stay at home.
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Carecat posted:So is it due to Tory infighting/not a big enough majority? I'd expect them to wait longer to do a pre-Brexit election and get the boundary changes in. They'd want to get it in before the political and economic reality of Brexit further hits voters and Labour is unfortunately not going to be in a better position any time soon. Almost certainly due to the fact that they were going to have to contest 20-30 seats in by-elections due to the election expenses scandal that they would almost certainly lose to the Lib Dems, so decided to attempt to take some seats off of Labour as well. It's a huge risk for the Tories since polling is so unreliable at the moment and voters around the world are decidedly not doing what they are supposed to. Notably the Liberals in Australia tried the exact same gambit due to winning the previous election with a slim majority and ended up losing seats.
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Pissflaps posted:Labour MPs are more in tune with labour voters than the party membership. I'm a Labour voter and I disagree
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Apr 18, 2017 12:43
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Gonzo McFee posted:Think the only real hope we've got is that May does so poorly in any televised debate that even the papers can't cover for her. Which isn't impossible considering how terrible May is at public speaking and how Corbyn did in Labour leadership elections. Very little chance of there being any TV debates.
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RideTheSpiral posted:*lives a hovel in middlesbrough* RideTheSpiral posted:it's the members who have to walk the streets convincing the mentally handicapped and politically illiterate electorate who to vote for. L Lol labour is utterly hosed.
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I think Theresa May should be sent to The Hague on charges of crimes against goodposting for setting off Pissflaps and bargain basement pissflaps like this.
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Apr 18, 2017 12:43
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Pissflaps posted:'Grassroots' is horseshit. Well my point was more you need to decide whether you want politicians that are ~true men of the people~ but need suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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radmonger posted:If he can't do that, then what is the point of him? A lot of people have wondered what the point of him is since at least the summer of last year. No one has been able to give a good answer. He will probably win his own election and get to keep his seat in parliament though.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Think the only real hope we've got is that May does so poorly in any televised debate that even the papers can't cover for her. Which isn't impossible considering how terrible May is at public speaking and how Corbyn did in Labour leadership elections. If May does poorly or Corbyn does well then the papers just won't cover any debates at all.
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Pissflaps posted:Lol labour is utterly hosed. agreed
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Gonzo McFee posted:Think the only real hope we've got is that May does so poorly in any televised debate that even the papers can't cover for her. Which isn't impossible considering how terrible May is at public speaking and how Corbyn did in Labour leadership elections. Given the short notice given I doubt there'll be much in the way of televised debates
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RideTheSpiral posted:agreed You must be so proud of yourself.
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Prince John posted:No party leader would ever answer in the affirmative to this question ahead of a general election, because it would be seen as defeatist. Put the question to May, or Farron, or Sturgeon and see what their answer is. yup. I mean, haka is trolling. but yup. some manuevering to give a Momentum faction candidate a good run at it, then resignation. Maybe not this year but soon so that the new candidate has some time to get to grips quite aside from any politics the man is 67yo, five more years is a bit dodgy. campaigning is exhausting work even for an energetic politician in their 40s
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blowfish posted:Well my point was more you need to decide whether you want politicians that are representative of the electorate and need need The problem is that we have neither right now we have a political class that has spent the past 30 years enriching themselves and keeping themselves in power at the expense of providing meaningful change to the electorate. Hence why voters are flocking to anything that isn't the status quo.
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radmonger posted:If he can't do that, then what is the point of him? jfc this is actually stupider than pissflapsposting be ashamed
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If I were May I wouldn't do a TV debate. Let him debate that little lib dem gnome or tell Nicola Sturgeon how Scotland has to go down with the ship. Just say everyone knows where she stands, and everyone knows where he stands, and she's got a country to run. Best case he'd whine about not getting a debate.
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Skinty McEdger posted:There's no Tory infighting. It's to kill off the opposition, mostly in the house of Lords where they can do harm. Really? Isn't that where May came from? And not just the surface level Boris/Gove backstab or Cameron promising a referendum, there was a behind the scenes push to get May.
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