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Darth Walrus posted:In the last few days, Labour has proposed: They need a BIG (GOOD) IDEA to get people interested in the supposedly extant Labour Movement. You don't have successful Movements that get bogged down in the incredibly tedious fine details. forkboy84 posted:jBrereton only wants proper CENTRE LEFT policies, like continuing privatisation of the NHS started under the God-Emperor Tony Blair.
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MiddleOne posted:Shoot prince Ferdinand. That wont work now. Just acquire a few nuclear weapons of at least 1 MT yield and detonate them above 100 km in the center of every continent. Send the world back to the dark ages in one very quick step, and would be no more election as everyone has more pressing concerns.
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spectralent posted:If he actually votes for it, yes. He's great if you're an accelerationist who thinks ceding more and more power to the Tories will eventually convince everyone Labour is the better choice.
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El Grillo posted:For what? The general election? What the hell do you think happens if he votes against having a general election? We don't have a general election in 2017 which will see the Tories go from a government with a very small minority replaced by a Tory government with an increased majority. jBrereton posted:
Probably from birth, I dunno how one comes to the conclusion that neoliberalism isn't garbage.
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spectralent posted:Labour MPs who vote in favour of a general are betraying their party and the country. The term quisling was applied to those in Norway who wanted to stop resisting Nazi occupation. It would be more applicable to those who do not want to fight a general election.
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forkboy84 posted:We don't have a general election in 2017 which will see the Tories go from a government with a very small minority replaced by a Tory government with an increased majority. Do you think Corbyn should come out with that message?
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think it's an election. Quick Pisstodamus, who is going to win the election? 
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Quick Pisstodamus, who is going to win the election? Who can say? It's four years away after all.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Quick Pisstodamus, who is going to win the election? I hope he says Brussels
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forkboy84 posted:We don't have a general election in 2017 which will see the Tories go from a government with a very small minority replaced by a Tory government with an increased majority. Exactly. The best thing for the country is to avoid giving the tories more power. Party Boat posted:The term quisling was applied to those in Norway who wanted to stop resisting Nazi occupation. It would be more applicable to those who do not want to fight a general election. Feel free to replace with any other synonym for traitor, but ultimately Labour is not in any shape to fight a general election. Any MP who wants to avoid increased Tory rule needs to block it.
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spectralent posted:Exactly. The best thing for the country is to avoid giving the tories more power. Labour is never going to be in any shape to fight a general election while Corbyn is leader.
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Pissflaps posted:Do you think Corbyn should come out with that message? At this point I have my doubts that Corbyn can effectively convey the message "good morning". Party Boat posted:The term quisling was applied to those in Norway who wanted to stop resisting Nazi occupation. It would be more applicable to those who do not want to fight a general election. It's just a generic term for traitor now. I don't think people who support the snap election are traitors, just deluded idiots. Still, if you somehow are daft enough to think it's traitorous then quisling is an appropriate term to use.
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forkboy84 posted:Probably from birth, I dunno how one comes to the conclusion that neoliberalism isn't garbage.
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jBrereton posted:With the exception of a tenner minimum wage (which I thought was more or less planned to happen under the Tories anyway?) these all seem very technical and pedantic.
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I predict that the absolute worst-case result from this general election will be the result from this general election.
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For the record, Corbyn is a loving idiot if he lets Theresa May call a general election.
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Paul.Power posted:A plan to make G4S and co. less awful seems pretty good to me.
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jBrereton posted:With the exception of a tenner minimum wage (which I thought was more or less planned to happen under the Tories anyway?) these all seem very technical and pedantic. theirs is alwayss under the actual living wage
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spectralent posted:If he actually votes for it, yes. As a Norwegian: Go gently caress yourself.
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forkboy84 posted:At this point I have my doubts that Corbyn can effectively convey the message "good morning". He would get out an excellent nuanced "good morning" six hours later, while his press office expresses concern that the media is now choosing to cover the other leaders discussion of what a good afternoon it is.
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TinTower posted:The Lib Dems wouldn't go into any coalition without a cast-iron pledge to revoke Article 50 before the first confidence vote. Special Conference wouldn't even entertain the idea. They would still find a way to abandon that pledge at the first sniff of power.
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Jose posted:theirs is alwayss under the actual living wage
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The best outcome is if the call for suspending the fixed term parliaments act falls slightly short of 60% and the Tories have to whip for no confidence in their own government immediately prior. This will not happen, because we're not allowed nice things. Pissflaps posted:Legalising weed might be an important policy for you but most people couldn't give a poo poo.
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Skinty McEdger posted:So is Corbyn a traitor then? It's looking like he's going to betray the group who need him most (again), so probably yes. Exciting times we live in.
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MiddleOne posted:For the record, Corbyn is a loving idiot if he lets Theresa May call a general election. He has no way of preventing it and looks like a complete coward if he tries. If his position is so weak that he cannot contest a general election, he is not fit to lead.
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jBrereton posted:Yes the rebranding of min to living and how Labour has swallowed that instantly has been one of the worst parts of the last couple of years Or, the reality is it's very hard to get "well, actually..." into a soundbite the media is willing to spread.
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Tesseraction posted:Or, the reality is it's very hard to get "well, actually..." into a soundbite the media is willing to spread.
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jBrereton posted:They need a BIG (GOOD) IDEA to get people interested in the supposedly extant Labour Movement. You don't have successful Movements that get bogged down in the incredibly tedious fine details. WE WILL NATIONALIZE THE loving RAILWAYS SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY GET TO WORK AND YOUR MONEY ISNT SENT OFF TO FOREIGN SHAREHOLDERS!!!!! WE WILL INCREASE THE TOP RATE OF TAX SO THE RICH CUNTS CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOCIETY THEY ENJOY AT YOUR EXPENSE!!!!!! WE WILL INCREASE THE WAGES OF DOCTORS AND NURSES SO THEY CAN WORK THEIR 80 HOURS WEEKS WHILE THE RICH CUNTS GO GOLFING!!!!!! e: wonder if there are any jobs going at labour doctor hq cos they seem poo poo at it.
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jBrereton posted:You'd think the narrative of "the Tories are selling British workers short" would not be that hard but then Labour lately, etc. "How are they selling workers short?" "Their living wage isn't a living wage." "But you just called it a living wage." "Well, actually..."
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TheRat posted:As a Norwegian: Go gently caress yourself. My apologies; I hadn't realised it was still a "live" term in Norway, but in my defence, this is the UK politics thread and people use it as a synonym for traitor over here. I'll stick to using the term traitor, since I do feel that's appropriate for any Labour MP who votes in favour of handing the tories an increased majority, given who they're meant to stand for. Party Boat posted:He has no way of preventing it You need 433 (or 434? Can't remember) votes for a snap general now and labour should be 229 against. That should only add up to 421.
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spectralent posted:You need 433 (or 434? Can't remember) votes for a snap general now and labour should be 229 against. That should only add up to 421. Okay, it would be pretty funny if literally everyone else voted against it. But the DUP wouldn't gently caress over their cuddlebuddies.
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spectralent posted:My apologies; I hadn't realised it was still a "live" term in Norway, but in my defence, this is the UK politics thread and people use it as a synonym for traitor over here. When should there be an election?
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spectralent posted:You need 433 (or 434? Can't remember) votes for a snap general now and labour should be 229 against. That should only add up to 421. And then May forces it through anyway, which she can, and Labour gets completely erased as the party that was too afraid to even mount a challenge. Voting against a GE is not a thing the opposition can do if it wants to continue existing as a relevant political party.
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spectralent posted:You need 433 (or 434? Can't remember) votes for a snap general now and labour should be 229 against. That should only add up to 421. The government can simply call a no confidence vote in itself under these circumstances, needing only a simple majority. This could potentially be embarrassing, but it's less embarrassing than running from a general election when you're supposed to be the loving opposition.
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TheRat posted:And then May forces it through anyway, which she can, and Labour gets completely erased as the party that was too afraid to even mount a challenge. Voting against a GE is not a thing the opposition can do if it wants to continue existing as a relevant political party. That way both sides look shambolic. Or at least they would if the press weren't fuckers, so I guess you're right.
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spectralent posted:That way both sides look shambolic. Or at least they would if the press weren't fuckers, so I guess you're right. Why the gently caress would that make both sides look shambolic?
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