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Halman posted:So is there any chance your electorate doesn't balls this up like every decision they've been allowed to make in the last couple years? Assuming "not ballsing it up" means ending up without a Tory government, no, there's zero chance of that I'm afraid. Or almost zero. Maybe some unforseen revelations will come through in the next 2 months. Doubt it though.
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Oberleutnant posted:A bunch of horible poo poo he posted in europol back when the refugee crisis was headline news iirc TheRat posted:Mostly because of his opinions and political leanings. forkboy84 posted:It's because he's a nazi. Fair enough. I've finally bitten the bullet and joined Labour. I might not agree with Corbyn as leader, but there's no doubt that Labour are better for this country than the Tories, and it's about time I stopped shouting from the sidelines and put my money where my mouth is.
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the big problem with trying to finagle between the nationalities of giltholders is that the gilts themselves were fungible, at least within issues, and many of them will not be directly held but held by a custodian someplace, and who knows who owns the custodian saying "well eventually it'll be sorted out" is poor comfort, since the chaos of identifying who owns what suddenly is itself very damaging to its use as a reliable store of value. which is the only reason people buy gilts anyway.
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Halman posted:So is there any chance your electorate doesn't balls this up like every decision they've been allowed to make in the last couple years? Unless there's a sudden wave of terminal affluenza or an unexpected groundswell in class consciousness, no. The best we're looking at is Labour not losing as many seats as expected.
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Carecat posted:I feel like Labour must oppose the new GE because what the gently caress kind of system do we have where if you can call a snap election halfway through because your polling numbers look better now? ... The system the UK has had for it's entire history up till 2010?
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namesake posted:On the plus side of all this, anyone who is in politics for their own advancement will drop Labour so freaking hard after another defeat that'll it'll at least be able to have a discussion about political principles in the modern society without some poo poo complaining about how winning is the most important thing. You're optimistic. nothing to seehere posted:... The system the UK has had for it's entire history up till 2010? Yeah this is actually 100% normal, people call khaki (or in this case red white and blue) elections. Welcome to the UK.
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nothing to seehere posted:... The system the UK has had for it's entire history up till 2010? Which was (slightly) changed, ironically by the same party, because it was outdated and very one sided? Not that it would be any politicians actual reason but it was plainly undemocratic.
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Private Eye posted:Fair enough. Good on you. Carecat posted:Which was (slightly) changed, ironically by the same party, because it was outdated and very one sided? They will have changed it because they thought it would benefit them, they will drop it when they think it does not. No parliament can bind a future one.
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Pissflaps posted:I think the UK will pay the EU bill but it'll get a lot more than talk in return. There will be compromise on both sides. Cooler heads than yours will prevail. No, the UK will be paying just to get to the negotiation table. The compromise will come in the amount, which will not be $60bn, and probably not even 50% of that. Just lol if you don't think Brexit negotiators making GBS threads the bed before they even get to the table wouldn't annihilate market confidence in UK bonds
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namesake posted:On the plus side of all this, anyone who is in politics for their own advancement will drop Labour so freaking hard after another defeat that'll it'll at least be able to have a discussion about political principles in the modern society without some poo poo complaining about how winning is the most important thing. I think the thing that's going to gently caress it up for the tories, if anything does, is May herself. She's had an easy time with the press since coming in, and as PMs go has lead a fairly sequestered existence I think. Note how PMQs, which had been almost headline news when it was Cameron and Corbyn, dropped off the news radar when May started getting a kicking - she's had a really easy time since the beginning. But she has to put herself under some actual public scrutiny in the next few weeks, and there's a chance that people will be put off by a woman who comes across as deeply aloof and unpleasant as she is.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:No, the UK will be paying just to get to the negotiation table. The compromise will come in the amount, which will not be $60bn, and probably not even 50% of that. Just lol if you don't think Brexit negotiators making GBS threads the bed before they even get to the table wouldn't annihilate market confidence in UK bonds What are you saying 'no' to in my post?
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Carecat posted:Which was (slightly) changed, ironically by the same party, because it was outdated and very one sided? there is no better defence of the system of discretionary dissolution than the current situation, which is that the political context has changed so much that there is no meaningful mandate from the last election for the current government to govern
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namesake posted:On the plus side of all this, anyone who is in politics for their own advancement will drop Labour so freaking hard after another defeat that'll it'll at least be able to have a discussion about political principles in the modern society without some poo poo complaining about how winning is the most important thing. If you don't think winning should be the most important think for a political party then I don't know what to say mate.
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Oberleutnant posted:I think the thing that's going to gently caress it up for the tories, if anything does, is May herself. Nothing else for it, better shell the falklands to boost popularity.
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ronya posted:there is no better defence of the system of discretionary dissolution than the current situation, which is that the political context has changed so much that there is no meaningful mandate from the last election for the current government to govern It's a pretty piss poor defence in that it still allows the incumbent government to pick the most favorable time for them. Lord Twisted posted:If you don't think winning should be the most important think for a political party then I don't know what to say mate. Ah so you vote tory then.
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Lord Twisted posted:If you don't think winning should be the most important think for a political party then I don't know what to say mate.
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ronya posted:there is no better defence of the system of discretionary dissolution than the current situation, which is that the political context has changed so much that there is no meaningful mandate from the last election for the current government to govern That would be clearly after the referendum, not now.
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As pessimistic as I am about the election I do like Corbyn when he has an excuse to get a bit of a rajie on about something.
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jBrereton posted:Seems like it would make it slightly less awful for the people who work for it but no different for the end users of its products ie everyone all at once. Plus what happens if they sign the Socialist Services Pledge... but in bad faith? Then they lose the contract. These are the requirements for having a government contract under Labour.
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Lord Twisted posted:If you don't think winning should be the most important think for a political party then I don't know what to say mate. Policy is quite important.
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Oberleutnant posted:If it is then presumably you support the tories, since they won, and winning is the most important thing in a party? The incentives for what a party should do and what's best for the electorate are two entirely different things.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Never voted Tory, but it's all good and well having nice shiny policies if you can't win to put them into effect.
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Lord Twisted posted:Never voted Tory, but it's all good and well having nice shiny policies if you can't win to put them into effect. It's all well and good winning if your platform is a pile of shite that helps nobody.
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Pissflaps posted:What are you saying 'no' to in my post? The first line of my post responds to the first line of your post, which I quoted in my post.  you really are starting to worry me now Flaps, you've moved beyond obtuse shitposting into something that looks more like a medical issue. Not sure if you need new glasses, or to be put into a home
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Halman posted:So is there any chance your electorate doesn't balls this up like every decision they've been allowed to make in the last couple years? Very slim. If: - The press forces the leaders to have debates, - Corbyn manages to not cock up what'll probably be good debates by saying something super dumb in interview, - There's some decent unrest in public services or economy problems that're developing (the NHS crisis being current news would've been good, as would the inflation-up-wages-static stories from a month or so ago), or perhaps even more unlikely: - Everyone suddenly realises they keep voting for the people who cause all the problems, and that social problems are also economic ones, and wises the gently caress up, it might not be as bad. Alternatively by some miracle all the polls are wrong again, and Corbyn's massively popular with people who don't usually get involved in politics. This is almost certainly going to be bad for the country and bad for labour, though, and probably damaging to the long term health of the country. Private Eye posted:Fair enough. Yeah, my personal distaste for him and my local party aside, I'm probably going to be showing up for leafletting. Oberleutnant posted:I think the thing that's going to gently caress it up for the tories, if anything does, is May herself. This not going awfully relies on there being public debates, yeah. spectralent fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Kin ell I was at a funeral when the news of this broke out, my phone bleeped midway through the prayers. Long story short I'm disowned and I'm definitely not voting Tory
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Lord Twisted posted:Never voted Tory, but it's all good and well having nice shiny policies if you can't win to put them into effect. Hmmm, you're right, the Labour Representation Committee was a terrible idea because these Labour candidates, they are only standing 15 candidates, why risk breaking from the Liberal Party?
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Darth Walrus posted:Then they lose the contract. These are the requirements for having a government contract under Labour. I mean G4S survived the whole olympics gently caress up largely because they are the only big players in the field, after all.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:The first line of my post responds to the first line of your post, which I quoted in my post. You've said the UK will get an immediate 50% reduction in the amount of cash owed and agreed that there will be compromise. You've not disagreed with anything I said. quote:you really are starting to worry me now Flaps, you've moved beyond obtuse shitposting into something that looks more like a medical issue. Not sure if you need new glasses, or to be put into a home Give the boring whitenoise personal attacks a rest for a while mate - there's an election on.
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jBrereton posted:What if they're the only providers large enough? How would we manage without professional dole hasslers in every jobcenter.
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Pissflaps posted:I think the UK will pay the EU bill but it'll get a lot more than talk in return. There will be compromise on both sides. Cooler heads than yours will prevail. In fact the UK breaking off financial commitments to the EU would have a far more immediate affect the EU's credit ratings than Britain's. Those ratings are completely built off the idea that member states will honour their commitments, if the second biggest net contributor washed their hands of them EU credit ratings would collapse. It's probably the biggest weapon the UK has in negotiations right now.
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Pissflaps posted:Give the boring whitenoise personal attacks a rest for a while mate - there's an election on. 
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jBrereton posted:What if they're the only providers large enough? Oh no, are we going to have bring a bunch of services back into the public sector instead of outsourcing them? What a shame.
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