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Donnie was straight-up lying about an Aircraft Carrier heading to Best Korea, it was actually going away from it. https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/854344751658803201 "misunderstanding or obfuscation" is basically the presidential motto
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Its literally the one actual case of 'immigrants taking our jobs! I just think it's hilarious that he proudly signed the decree at a plant full of unskilled laborers who won't benefit in any way. In fact, the people who will benefit most are the highly educated technology workers that overwhelmingly opposed his reign.
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psydude posted:I just think it's hilarious that he proudly signed the decree at a plant full of unskilled laborers who won't benefit in any way. trump.txt
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Again, I'm not saying there isn't visa abuse by shitlords like Apple, Google or other silicon valley giants that use the mechanic to essentially have indentured labor while lobbying that there's somehow a shortage in skill in that sector. Well the problem is that some 90% of H1B visas are accounted for by Silicon Valley shitbirds looking to generate more profit on their quarterly earnings call. They submit hundreds of thousands of H1B applications, flooding out the program and ensuring that they get the majority of the picks. It could be fixed multiple ways, really. Doing away with the lottery aspect is one way, albeit not ideal. An escalating filing fee for mass applications for the sponsor company would stop Apple/Google/etc from filing hundreds of thousands more H1Bs than their need in order to secure the majority of the visas. Raising minimum wages for H1Bs is another way to work it over, if only to avoid loving over the H1B candidates who get in, because lmao 16 bucks an hour is not a livable wage in Atlanta, you'll be on the street selling your rear end for cash in order to eat. E: apparently poverty wage is like 8-9 dollars/hr in ATL but lmao at the federal poverty statistics, you're not in poverty until you are living in a cardboard box under a bridge for them. orange juche fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 16:08
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Didn't Obama sign an EO that Trump rescinded that would have doubled the minimum H1B wage or was that just a fever dream. Basically just make it so H1B's are paid the exact same as any domestic position and watch the program get used how it was intended.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Didn't Obama sign an EO that Trump rescinded that would have doubled the minimum H1B wage or was that just a fever dream. Obama signed a lot of good EOs that trump rescinded but I don't recall one for H1B wages. H1B reform was definitely on the plate for either candidate, but I'm not sure of what Hillary's position on H1B was and what she would have done to fix it. Google can't find anything for an Obama era H1B wage bump, but Trump said he was going to literally end H1B as in delete it from the books.
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I'm pretty sure Trump was the one who wanted to double the minimum salary requirement for H1Bs, but his new plan is kinda vague right now. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/us/politics/trump-executive-order-h1b-visas-technology-workers.html?_r=0
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Slim Pickens posted:I'm pretty sure Trump was the one who wanted to double the minimum salary requirement for H1Bs, but his new plan is kinda vague right now. That's right. He wanted to do that til Thiel and the uber rear end in a top hat got in his ear that it was bad.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUz9xCTOPRw this is also appropriate for a twitter slam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6zqHKd265E orange juche fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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perfect they are all....perfect.
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orange juche posted:Well the problem is that some 90% of H1B visas are accounted for by Silicon Valley shitbirds looking to generate more profit on their quarterly earnings call. They submit hundreds of thousands of H1B applications, flooding out the program and ensuring that they get the majority of the picks. Where in god's name are you getting those numbers from?!? ~~THEY~~ are flooding the program with ~~HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS~~ of applications? The highest number of H1-B applications in the last 10 or so years was somewhere around 250,000, and that accounted for ALL applications submitted in the entire US. And there's only 85,000 visas available in total, and the number of visas even prone to the exploitation that IS the problem is somewhere around 50,000-55,000. And people getting paid THIRTY TO FOURTY PERCENT LESS? Jesus Christ dude, legit source your quotes. Mr. Nice! posted:Didn't Obama sign an EO that Trump rescinded that would have doubled the minimum H1B wage or was that just a fever dream. The exact opposite. Some experts are ballparking the resulting figure around 130,000-140,000 after revisions to the bill stuck in Congress somewhere. quote:Basically just make it so H1B's are paid the exact same as any domestic position and watch the program get used how it was intended. This is already the case PER the drat program itself. The problem isn't that the H1B visas somehow allow companies to pay their employees poverty-wages in positions that would otherwise get occupied by an American earning more, it's that they're underreporting/deflating the skill level of those people that they're putting in those positions. They're also abusing the pipeline from H1B visa to greencard in order to keep employees right the gently caress where they are without negotiation power because it would be a risk for them to switch employers. The problem is also that the biggest companies have the highest lobbying power, and hoover up the premium application spots that are actually granted by the lottery, so there are two angles right there where the visa program needs to be fixed. But somehow, there's this common assumption that ALL H1B visa jobs get paid less, therefore wrecking wages EVERYWHERE, and TAKIN ARE JOBS and whatnot. Jesus guys, calm down. Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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gently caress the companies that abuse the loopholes in the program, close the loopholes, and some other fixes here and there, but jesus, maybe not go gently caress THE WHOLE PROGRAM because the common media theme is that the whole thing is demonhitler. gently caress me, I need to be writing a sales presentation. 
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Mr. Nice! posted:Didn't Obama sign an EO that Trump rescinded that would have doubled the minimum H1B wage or was that just a fever dream. It's an orphaned House Bill. H.R.670 - High-Skilled Integrity and Fairness Act of 2017
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RIP Facebook killa https://twitter.com/PAStatePolice/status/854360555108392960 They always get the order mixed up and they never put themselves before their victims.
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facialimpediment posted:RIP Facebook killa Punk-rear end. I hope the cops got it on camera. Conspiracy nuts gonna go wild otherwise.
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facialimpediment posted:RIP Facebook killa Oh good, the PA Police don't even have to pay for the bullet.
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What goddamn mcdonalds is paying $16/hr to flip burgers. My cousin needs a job.
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LITERALLY SHAKING posted:What goddamn mcdonalds is paying $16/hr to flip burgers. My cousin needs a job. Probably somewhere it costs $15/hr to live.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:gently caress the companies that abuse the loopholes in the program, close the loopholes, and some other fixes here and there, but jesus, maybe not go gently caress THE WHOLE PROGRAM because the common media theme is that the whole thing is demonhitler. Well sure some decent reforms could put the program back in to being an overall positive for the country. Take a gander at who is sitting in office though. loving guarantee you know more about the program than Angry Mango. If he did anything about it he would sign a bill someone put in front of him while promising to give him a lollipop and his Twitter phone back. How much do you think the finest lobbyists and congresscritters money can buy will dick over the nation with that?
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bird food bathtub posted:Well sure some decent reforms could put the program back in to being an overall positive for the country. Oh, I'm not saying I'm optimistic about any of this. The dudes in charge of the whole poo poo at our school recently came back from a conference convened after the immigration ban clusterfuck happened in January, and they've all but written off the program, if not before the end of the year, easily before half of his term is up. I'm just saying that "Good riddance" with no editorial is simply dumb. Especially for the reasons provided. It's like the right criticizing Obama because he was gonna bring socialism/Islam for four/eight years. Criticizing Obama was perfectly fine and valid, but 80% of the reasons were dumb/myths/conspiracy theories, and the severity was blown way out of proportion. /edit: I just accidentally mousewheel-zoomed-out in Chrome to 90%, and now the font looks bearable again. Life: HACKED
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Hexyflexy posted:Probably somewhere it costs $20/hr to live. Fixed. I did the thing and voted up Ossof today for the Georgia election not a lot of people at my polling place round lunch hour. Ossofs dudes have been blowing up my texts telling me to go vote for the last two days. Sooo.. that's the report from the ground
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Cheap foreign labour is good and bad. It lowers costs for thing you buy, but it also takes jobs away from people and drives wages down. America has to decide if it wants to pay more for things and have more American workers or keep paying less and less but have more immigrants working and getting poo poo wages. You can't have both. I personally don't like programs like this causes it's an invitation for abuse. Look at the trucking industry in North America. Unless you're a teamster or similar you can't make a decent living wage as a trucker anymore.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:Cheap foreign labour is good and bad. It lowers costs for thing you buy, but it also takes jobs away from people and drives wages down. America has to decide if it wants to pay more for things and have more American workers or keep paying less and less but have more immigrants working and getting poo poo wages.  I get that this is the common assumption, but that's not what H1B does.Like, the impression is that there's a job for a data analyst paying 60k annually that would be available for an American with a BA and some work experience. A company applies for an H1B visa, and dumps an Indian dude in that position and pays them 48k annually. This drives down the average wage for the "data analyst" job description everywhere in the US. This is not happening. There's a job for a data analyst paying 60k annually that would be available for an American with a BA and some work experience. A company applies for an H1B visa, and dumps an Indian dude with Master's equivalent education in the job and pays him 60k while under-rating his qualification. They then extend the visa or sponsor a greencard while keeping him there, and he doesn't have a lot of leeway to negotiate for a raise or switch jobs, because that's how the system works. This creates the impression that you now need a Master's for the same positions across all industries, because Infosys/whatever the Indian outsourcing companies are loving over dudes in silicon valley, thus deflating the equivalent pay a Master's degree could command for any data analyst position anywhere. THIS IS BAD, don't get me wrong, but please argue that the companies doing this get hosed, and that the loophole gets closed, instead of arguing that jobs are literally being torn away from Americans by foreigners getting paid 40% less, thus depressing wages for literally the entire rest of the industry. Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Okay, it takes jobs away from people who know their own value? Truckers would be working but why would they if they're only getting offered $16 an hour cause some guy from Mexico/India will do it for that much
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Duzzy Funlop posted:
Thats the very real face of tech/fianance H1Bs. The system is deliberately abused in some places even if it isn't the intent.
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The NYTimes sure makes it look like a lot of abuse. They don't say what kind of jobs these are for, but if you roughly lump all the jobs on the bottom end together, that's about 28,000 jobs that look like they're way underpaid.
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Facebook killer got spotted because he just wanted some nugs and fries. https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/854389695874310144 Ba-da-bap-ba-baaaa CALL 911
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The US tech markey could never ever make do without the H1B1. I'm sorry but Americans are not the first-rate employees they'd need to be.
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Svartvit posted:The US tech markey could never ever make do without the H1B1. I'm sorry but Americans are not the first-rate employees they'd need to be. Then why is google paying SDEs upwards of 300k?
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Svartvit posted:The US tech markey could never ever make do without the H1B1. I'm sorry but Americans are not the first-rate employees they'd need to be. this is the stupidiest bullshit i've ever read on this forum
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