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My take was that Julia, being shadeless, has no moral compass -- but she's trying to have one, based on her hazy robot recollection of what it was like to have feelings. So she looks at the problem of 'should I shoot Reynard' and comes back with 'gently caress yes but old me would probably have some problem with it, right?' Even though old her probably would have tried to shoot them both at once.
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I'm not sure "no shade" is as strictly "no conscious/soul" as implied. Like, maybe she's just faking it and trying to be a good person but at some point if she knows what the right thing is and actively wants to make that choice and does, it begs the question of what exactly the difference is between that and if she did the same with a shade. Obviously losing her shade makes that harder for her to do but over the last couple of episodes she seems to show that its not impossible and she doesn't even need someone telling her what to do as she makes the Alice choice all on her own because of her feelings for Quentin and selflessness. Choosing to spare Reynard for Persephone over her revenge seems like the last test of that. She has no logical reason to do it, its purely a moral choice to show mercy. We can say that she's just doing what she thinks she should do, but I again wonder what the difference is between wanting to do the right thing and wanting to want to do the right thing are.
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Just started watching this on netflix, (about 7 episodes in). A couple things about pacing are bugging me but I've heard its a fairly loose adaptation so maybe these things are adaptation introduced? -Is Quinton supposed to be totally insufferable? It seems like about two days into his education he's already lecturing his friend about how magic is super dangerous and that's the first thing people are taught at his school (I guess because that's the only thing he was taught so far?). It'd make more sense if that was at least in the second semester. -Actually, I'm really not sure about how much time has passed by episode 7 - I don't remember any mention of a winter holiday break (unless hanging out with that russian rear end in a top hat counts) so is it still the first semester? -Was brakebills originally a highschool or undergrad instead of a grad school? The characters seem to be written as teenagers rather than as graduate students. (Also, in a grad school the third years would all be missing because they were holed up working on dissertations) -I assume Julia's friend who she tried to pull the book heist with was someone whose relationship was developed more in the book? As is it seems like they literally first meet on monday, she pages through an iphone of spells, and by tuesday the heist has gone bad and the friend is dead. I do like the mothman though, it's a cool effect (even if he's obviously a horribly mutated version of the war hero brother from fillory).
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Tunicate posted:-Is Quinton supposed to be totally insufferable? I can offer an answer to these: -Yes, Quinton is basically the most useless person on this or any plane of reality. If you identify with him, either because you think you're the chosen one, or you're also cripplingly self-hating, that's the point. -The timescale is a little funky as a result of the adaptation, since the first book comprised four years. -Book Brakebills was originally a high school, yes. I think the change is well made, but you're welcome to your own opinion.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:-Book Brakebills was originally a high school, yes. I think the change is well made, but you're welcome to your own opinion.
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Magicians plays pretty fast and loose with pacing and passage of time. They really don't talk about how much time passes between episodes but on more than one occasion its pretty clear weeks or months should have passed based on the story. Like, my guess is Quentin should have been at Brakebills for at least a semester or two while Julia went through her depression, discovery of hedge witches, rock bottom, and rehab. My impression is the first book is a lot of boring poo poo about Quentin in class and they just brushed past all that stuff. But it does hurt the pacing of relationship building and Julia's whole wild ride. Season 2 only gets even hazier with the concept that time moves differently on Fillory so who the gently caress knows how much time is passing for Elliot and Margo while the others are doing stuff on Earth?
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Yes, it was a magical undergrad, not high school. But it was still a lot smaller than this sprawling campus they have in the show. And I think the Physical Kids Cabin was really just that core group, it wasn't some massive fraternity house as in the show.
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Yeah, in the book the classes were super small with something around 200 students for the entire school.
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That opening was pretty great.
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Oh poo poo I forgot this was on tonight. /gets undressed and pulls up DVR menu Edit: you are right the intro is amazing. Sit back and have a nice pipe of marijjjjuana and enjoy my opus SLOSifl fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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That episode was cool and good. Quinton is the worst. E: Does anybody have that guitar riff from the end? ZorajitZorajit fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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SLOSifl posted:Oh poo poo I forgot this was on tonight. Every episode should have an intro to be narrated by Ember. What a fun season. Julia may still have the god-killing bullet, too.
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Apr 20, 2017 03:14
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Oliver Taylor Dudley mentioned on twitter she was a vegetarian for 15 years until 2 weeks before the bacon scene and she ate pounds of it. She still can't eat bacon because of that day.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:That episode was cool and good. Quinton is the worst. To be fair, I don't know what option he had. Ember wasn't going to stop and Umber was a self-absorbed dick, so it was literally do or die. The fact Ember was hanging around in the back causing events to happen that got shitloads of people killed made him very unsympathetic. Or the fact he literally kept Chatwin out BECAUSE of what was happening to him; what an rear end in a top hat. I still think Julia should have gunned Renard down and told Lady Underground to go gently caress herself, though.
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Would Julia gunning down either Renard or The Lady Underground have had the same effect? It was implied killing any god would have that effect, right? Good finale and a good season. I enjoyed S1 but S2 was legit great and quite fun. Mayakovsky must be crazy pissed they drained his magic batteries bringing Alice back now.
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Mortanis posted:Would Julia gunning down either Renard or The Lady Underground have had the same effect? It was implied killing any god would have that effect, right? Yes, killing Reynard likely would have had the same effect. In the books, Julia and her group of hedges simply summoning Reynard is what tips off the major Gods to humans and lesser beings having access to magic.
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Can someone spoil what happens next in the book or tell me in which book to search spoilers for?
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Nothing. This basically didn't happen in the books because they stop it before it can fully go down.
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Also things will be out of order from here on out or just not in the books.
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Other than the plate of bacon, they are very far off from the books outside of broad strokes. Book Magic was dying because it's kind of like hacking the leftover scaffolding of the universe's construction and the ancients were trying to repair and patch it out. If any spoilers exist they'd be in book 3 but they've used a lot of that material outside of some minor (but very enjoyable) adventures and more Brakebills than S2 showed. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Yeah, they're kind of all over the books right now, hitting some of the broad strokes, with mostly forging ahead on their own. We can't really use the books to predict what's going to happen anymore.
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So what was the magic Julia used to enchant the sword? Can they just whistle up god-killing weapons now, or did I miss something?
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Fumblemouse posted:So what was the magic Julia used to enchant the sword? Can they just whistle up god-killing weapons now, or did I miss something? I think she sucked the energies released by one dying god to make the sword to kill the other.
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Yeah, it's the same process she used on John's body (Renard's son) to make her god killing bullet.
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Ah right, thanks. I thought John gave them the metal ball infused with his essence or something, but apparently they can just nab it out of the ether if a god happens to die nearby. Handy. They probably should have grabbed Ember's when they topped him, too.
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Fumblemouse posted:Ah right, thanks. I thought John gave them the metal ball infused with his essence or something, but apparently they can just nab it out of the ether if a god happens to die nearby. Handy. They probably should have grabbed Ember's when they topped him, too. At this point I'd find it amazing if the whole series is them killing bigger and bigger Gods until they completley unravel the universe and decide the only solution is to try the time loop again, and shoot the rapist author of the Fillory books in the head so Chatwin moves on to a happy life somewhere else and none of this ever happens.
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That wouldn't work, because Martin is aware of the time loops (which sadly kinda puts a crimp in the theory that this is one of Jane's failure iterations from the books).
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Haha. I forgot about that theory back in season 1. Shame too, it was a great one.
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How much stuff was affected by the wellspring and the plumber turning off magic? Our world and Fillory yes, but is the Library beyond that? Where do the fairies exist relative to all this? And the Underworld? Is Fillory basically just another planet?
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Josh Lyman posted:How much stuff was affected by the wellspring and the plumber turning off magic? Our world and Fillory yes, but is the Library beyond that? They says specifically in the episode that creatures that are inherently magical (faeries, dragons, gods) still have access to magic. Anyone who needed to draw on the wellspring to cast magic, so most of the cast, can no longer cast spells. Beings made of spell energy -- Niffin's, specifically -- are dying out. The implication is that the wellspring in Fillory was actually the source of all magic, at least in this corner of the universe, and when the plumber turned off the mains he was severing the connection to the water. So, the Library, Earth and Fillory all draw their magic from the wellspring, and are consequently without it now. Julia, on the other hand, seems to have accidentally found a separate font to draw her powers from, possibly due to what happened to her soul, or maybe her pregnancy.
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At the same time, Josh has technobabble (magicobabble?) about the fairies existing in some alternative Fillory.
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So did Quentin's dad die of cancer or did they just drop that entirely?
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Josh Lyman posted:How much stuff was affected by the wellspring and the plumber turning off magic? Our world and Fillory yes, but is the Library beyond that? All of the books are blank past the point of the magic getting turned off so library is affected as well.
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They implied the Wellspring in Fillory was feeding the magic on Earth but like the "plumber" specifically went to Earth and the Library to shut off magical valves in those places too. So its not like just shutting off Fillory shut everyone else off. The "plumber" just made his rounds. And yeah, I could buy the idea that Julia can tap into magic because there's some leftover in her from the demigod baby or her shade coming back from the afterlife. But I imagine there's a larger answer than that since obviously they're going to bring magic back. Julia might have just been the first person to get there because she was repeatedly described and presented as a gifted and determined magician who could see and do things others including the Dean couldn't. But I guess maybe the first theory could hold true and they could all get at magic by tapping into all those other creatures that have a touch of magic in them the way that first one of Reynard's baby's mommas did with whatever was in the kiddie pool.
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STAC Goat posted:They implied the Wellspring in Fillory was feeding the magic on Earth but like the "plumber" specifically went to Earth and the Library to shut off magical valves in those places too. So its not like just shutting off Fillory shut everyone else off. The "plumber" just made his rounds. I took the plumber as a near-literal example for how magic worked and flowed from one realm to another. Until Ember and Umber died, the leaks were too inconsequential to fix, but when you start killing off lesser gods, you get the handyman called in. Now the question becomes where do Julia and Alice come into all of this. Julia connected with OLU - who is clearly a higher god, as the mom of Reynard. Similarly, Alice has some insight into the whole system, she explicitly described someone turning off magic. Between the two of them, I wonder if it's possible for them to find and/or create new leaks.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Similarly, Alice has some insight into the whole system, she explicitly described someone turning off magic. Between the two of them, I wonder if it's possible for them to find and/or create new leaks. I thought Alice had very quickly lost the knowledge she gained as a niffin, and that was just some of the last of it when she told Quentin he hosed up. Two months later or whatever it was, and it's probably all gone.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Julia connected with OLU - who is clearly a higher god, as the mom of Reynard. Similarly, Alice has some insight into the whole system, she explicitly described someone turning off magic. Between the two of them, I wonder if it's possible for them to find and/or create new leaks.
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I want these "higher gods" to be some Lovecraft poo poo.
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