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veni veni veni posted:Like, for example Neir. I'm not even saying I don't like the story I cause I do. It's still a throw 100 things at the wall and see what sticks kind of affair though. Imao the Japanese can't put together a tight narrative to save their lives for the most part. Even the good stuff usually feels bloated as hell. Oh yeah Japan is definitely completely crazy with their video game narratives unlike storied Western developers such as
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I agree, those Orientals only have a dim understanding of narrative principles and mostly come to them through baser instincts or animist rituals, whereas here in the Enlightened West we
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I mean, I don't failure on the part of Japanese storytelling in video games. I would say that, culturally, Japanese developers seem much more interested in using the medium as a unique narrative device. There are Western devs who do similar things, but it's not very common in mainstream releases. I'm trying to think of a mainstream western game that used the player's experience as a narrative device other than to exposit story in a linear fashion. And that's not a slight against linear traditional storytelling, but I think it's wrong to label things like Nier: Automata and Dark Souls as "incoherent" when they simply have a much different goal. edit: I don't mean "Japanese culture" I mean that there is a culture of mainstream Japanese game developers interested in this kind of storytelling that doesn't seem to be present in mainstream Western game development". It can be found in indie developers everywhere. Snak fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Apr 29, 2017 |
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Apr 29, 2017 19:38
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veni veni veni posted:There what is? He's saying he suspected you meant "Japanese" when you were saying anime this whole time. I mean, I thought what he meant was pretty obvious from context, but apparently not.
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Apr 29, 2017 19:43
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Lol of course criticizing aspects of the narrative structure of some tits and rear end cartoons is the same as hardcore racism here in weaboo lodge. And yes I realize most western games have poo poo stories. I'm just saying that they are way less all over the place than anime tends to be. There's obviously exceptions on both ends. I don't hate that Japanese games have such ADD stories most of the time it just is what it is.
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Apr 29, 2017 19:44
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veni veni veni posted:Lol of course criticizing aspects of the narrative structure of some tits and rear end cartoons is the same as hardcore racism here in weaboo lodge. Protip: "tits and rear end cartoons" do not make up the whole of Japanese culture, so don't throw out outdated Clash-of-Civilizations dichotomies like "Western" and "the Japanese X"
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Let's talk about the Ghost in the Shell movie next.
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It's only because you kept juxtaposing it with "western anything" then shifted to "the japanese". I get what kind of schlock people are referring to when they just say "anime".
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Apr 29, 2017 19:45
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Literally the most popular and profitable entertainment form in the United States of America in this very second are bloated, narratively incoherent movies based on completely ADD "throw 100 things at the wall and see what sticks kind of affair" tits-and-rear end cartoon books
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Literally the most popular and profitable entertainment form in the United States of America in this very second are bloated, narratively incoherent movies based on completely ADD "throw 100 things at the wall and see what sticks kind of affair" tits-and-rear end cartoon books This is really funny actually.
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After playing For Honor this morning I can confirm that the Japanese are indeed all cheap dumbasses with no valor and my formidable knight shall end them rightly.
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Apr 29, 2017 19:50
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Literally the most popular and profitable entertainment form in the United States of America in this very second are bloated, narratively incoherent movies based on completely ADD "throw 100 things at the wall and see what sticks kind of affair" tits-and-rear end cartoon books Guardians of the Galaxy 2 can't come soon enough.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Protip: "tits and rear end cartoons" do not make up the whole of Japanese culture, so don't throw out outdated Clash-of-Civilizations dichotomies like "Western" and "the Japanese X" Western developed games and Japanese games have a very different approach to game design. I don't see the problem with acknowledging this. Trying to make it into some sort of race thing is loving dumb. cool down. CharlieFoxtrot posted:Literally the most popular and profitable entertainment form in the United States of America in this very second are bloated, narratively incoherent movies based on completely ADD "throw 100 things at the wall and see what sticks kind of affair" tits-and-rear end cartoon books You aren't wrong. And I'm half joking about the T and A cartoon thing. I like some anime. In my experience almost all anime stuff is all over the place though. Even stuff that is good has tons of bloat. Things like marvel movies do too but they are poo poo. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Apr 29, 2017 |
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Bad Japanese stuff is nonsensical posturing and pandering. Bad western stuff is boring and bland exercise in grey scale and obviousness. Pick your poison.
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veni veni veni posted:Western developed games and Japanese games have a very different approach to game design. I don't see the problem with acknowledging this. Trying to make it into some sort of race thing is loving dumb. cool down. I agree that trying to make it some sort of race thing is loving dumb. So that's why you should stop framing everything on an "innate" cultural level
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There are no cultures.
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veni veni veni posted:Lol of course criticizing aspects of the narrative structure of some tits and rear end cartoons is the same as hardcore racism here in weaboo lodge. Step away from the keyboard until you've sobered up a little, buddy.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I agree that trying to make it some sort of race thing is loving dumb. So that's why you should stop framing everything on an "innate" cultural level Don't be obtuse.
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While I enjoy a lot of them, I'm struggling to name a Japanese (story-heavy) game with a straightforward plot that isn't obtuse or convoluted. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it can be frustrating at times. Metal Gear Rising perhaps? It still has those looooong monologes though. Valkyria Chronicles (the first one) works too, maybe. The first Gravity Rush is a super simple slice-of-life story, if you just accept that they only give you vague hints about the MC's powers and origin. Edit: no wait I just remembered the stuff with the Arc. Scratch GR. Renoistic fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Apr 29, 2017 |
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Apr 29, 2017 20:09
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Any of the PS3 onward Atelier games.
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Resident Evil 7.
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Zelda? Mario? Metroid? Ninja Gaiden? I'm sure there are more... edit: The qualifier "story-heavy" is kind of a big enabler of selection bias.
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Depends what you call convoluted, something like Silent Hill or Demons Souls is a fairly simple story told in a deliberately ambiguous way
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Midjack posted:Let's talk about the Ghost in the Shell movie next. That looked really boring to me but then again every GitS thing I've watched was really boring.
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Motto posted:It's only because you kept juxtaposing it with "western anything" then shifted to "the japanese". I get what kind of schlock people are referring to when they just say "anime". I switched to Japanese because I feel it is inherent in a lot of their story telling including live action movies and stuff. I think culturally they just have a generally different approach to story telling. Sometimes it sticks and it's great, sometimes it's super off putting. More often than not I feel like I'm in some sort of fever dream after playing a Japanese game. I think there are exceptions, like Miyazaki films tell a pretty tightly put together story. I honestly can't think of a Single, story heavy Japanese game that feels like it has a lean narrative although I'm admittedly probably forgetting some.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Resident Evil 7. Written by an American 
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Snak posted:edit: The qualifier "story-heavy" is kind of a big enabler of selection bias. Yeah, it's a really lovely way to get opponents to have to thread the needle to respond to what is in itself a convoluted argument. It's also interesting whenever someone brings up an example of convoluted/obtuse "Western" storytelling, it gets deflected with "Oh, I'm not counting lovely stories" veni veni veni posted:Written by an American Yeah, I'm glad a Westerner could show them the way
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Snak posted:Zelda? Mario? Metroid? Ninja Gaiden? I'm sure there are more... Can't believe I forgot about Zelda! Metroid Fusion could fit the bill. There's also Metroid Other M but I'm disqualifying it out of principle.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:
Nice try but you already owned yourself dawg.
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veni veni veni posted:Nice try but you already owned yourself dawg. Game development is a complicated process but whatever, I'm glad you can feel good about yourself I guess?
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Yeah, not so sure about The Last Guardian. It feels like another indie puzzle platformer that you'd pick up for a fiver in a sale or get free on PS+. The controls are abysmal, Trico is a pain in the balls as far as being a gameplay mechanic and it runs like rear end. The puzzles are retard easy as well, it's just the poo poo controls and stupid AI slowing things down.
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So Horizon Zero Dawn owns. I put Nier down to pick it back up and I'm still just blown away by how visually stunning and fun it is. I just love dicking around in the various hunting grounds and taking on different robots.
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Montalvo posted:This but Google Play Music. This is basically what I found on the topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/3a7edo/google_music_all_access_on_ps4_work_around_via I want to use my Google music sub (and free YT red) so I can kick Spotify to the curb but I really like music integration on the PS4. I'll mess with it more later.
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All I can imagine is a japanese geek typing furiously on a forum about how superior Western storytelling is in games like braid and beyond two souls. The pendulum swings both ways!
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Awesome! posted:god i hate this thread I had been lead to believe it was better than the Nintendo threads but it is somehow worse?!?!?
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Yeeeaaaaaahhhh..... life's far too short for this bullshit. This game would have been a revelation in late PS2/early PS3 days but it's just mediocre jank that I can't be arsed with now.
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For real, stop buying games until you read like, the bare minimum about them. There's nothing really wrong with disliking the things you dislike, but reading like, a single paragraph about any of these games would have told you you would hate them.
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This thread has turned to such poo poo. On topic: is The Order worth $15?
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Fuzz posted:This thread has turned to such poo poo. I don't think so. I don't think it's worth the time it takes to play it. Anyone want a Dishinored: DE code? PM me .
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