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I dunno how a bar disciplinary hearing works, is it like a regular trial in that if Chuck puts up a witness Jimmy gets to cross examine them too? Because if Hamlin goes up to testify wrt the contents of the tape and having heard jimmy smashing it, that brings anything else hamlin knows into play. I think a big piece of information that can come out is just how much power Chuck's got over Hamlin. It was laid out pretty clearly in S1 that if he cashes out of the firm, HHM is toast and hundreds of lawyers, paralegals, and interns are unemployed - Chuck can straight up kill his company at will and is mentally unstable enough to do it. That leverage is why Howard, say, publicly took the heat for denying Jimmy employment without even an interview after he passed the bar, and played along with Chuck's delusions and the tape sting, paying for 24/7 PI coverage, et al. Anyone who didn't own 51% of a huge law firm would've been cut loose long, long ago and he's probably been keeping a lid on the true extent of it as best he can for a while now. Maybe lying under oath about it is the last straw for Hamlin. Or maybe it isn't and he goes down with Chuck in the end. Which would be a real shame since he's legitimately one of the least terrible people caught up in this drama. E: Sagebrush posted:If they really wanted to go down that road, yes, it would be fairly easy to detect the faked documents. A trained professional could likely spot the differences between prints from Chuck's printer (original) and ones made at the copy shop (doctored). Jimmy might be superhumanly good with an X-Acto knife but it's more likely that there would be subtle shifts in the text baseline and spacing that, again, a pro would be able to notice. But most importantly, every large commercial printer and copier actually tags its prints (as an anti-counterfeiting measure) with a nearly-invisible code of faint yellow dots, including the printer model and serial number: I don't think the documents he forged are around. He altered the documents Chuck was referencing when drafting other paperwork, then switched them back with the unmolested originals while Chuck was out of the house at the mesa verde hearing. The same papers were in Chuck's home office the entire time, no chance of him having copied the altered ones in any way that would be useful. The tampered ones were only around long enough for Chuck to type 1216 on a bunch of filings and gently caress everything up. I'd be surprised if Jimmy MERELY shredded them and didn't torch the confetti afterwards, since he drat well knows Chuck can and will jigsaw shredded documents back together. Javid fucked around with this message at 19:27 on May 2, 2017 |
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^^Dude, promo stuff is considered spoilers. Anyway something I didn't see mentioned here was that second thing Mike got from Chuck's, Jimmy seemed surprised and excited about it, I think Mike said he found it in Chuck's address book in his desk, so probably just contact information. Could be someone Jimmy will use as a character witness or maybe something that could be the location of the tape.
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I would be very surprised if HHM didn't have provisions in their partnership agreement that protected the firm in the case of a partner being disbarred or suspended. I am sure Chuck would sign up for a clause that says "get disbarred or suspended"="fired w/minimal severance and no buyout" because he could not conceive of that applying to him.
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Brightman posted:^^Dude, promo stuff is considered spoilers. Maybe Rebecca(?), the ex wife? That would prob be lol
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May 2, 2017 19:56
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Griefor posted:
I guess that depends...what exactly is your read on it?
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A robot will eat them.
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That's a timedoor to the world 2024.
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Griefor posted:
In this shot, Jimmy and Kim are both dressed in their lawyers' suits, carrying briefcases, drawing attention to the aspects of their characters that are similar (they are both lawyers). However, they are walking through a double-door with a mullion prominently placed between them. This symbolizes that there is a wall between them -- not a literal wall, of course, here it is just an image that looks like one -- that separates them somehow. The double doors separated in this manner could in fact be interpreted as two separate doors, as though there are two potential paths that lawyers could take in their careers (not just different paths through the city but metaphorical paths, doing different things and working with different types of clients). Therefore in this shot Jimmy and Kim are shown to be two lawyers, similar in many ways, currently walking (working) side by side but on two different paths (career trajectories). But what trajectories could those be? Kim is on the right side of the shot, in the "right" door, and Jimmy is on the left. "Right" does not only refer to a relative physical orientation, but is also a synonym for "correct" or "good." Kim is on the "good" "career path". Jimmy's positioning on the left is far more subtle -- in ancient European culture dating back to the Roman era, upon which modern Western society is based, the left side became associated with evil. The Latin term for left, "sinister," survives today as an adjective used for those people who are devious, conniving, plotting to commit misdeeds. Thus, we can infer that Jimmy being on the left places him on a more "sinister" "career path" (remember, not just a physical path out of the court building) than Kim, who is on the "right" (literally and figuratively) side.
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Who the gently caress is that guy sittin in the doorway on a chair on wheels? That's like an accident waiting to happen.
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notthegoatseguy posted:Who the gently caress is that guy sittin in the doorway on a chair on wheels? That's like an accident waiting to happen. Chair on wheels is obviously a reference to Hector Salamanca.
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All I can think of is how awesome it's going to be to binge rewatch BCS and then go right into a binge rewatch of BrBa. I'll never sleep again.
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Sagebrush posted:In this shot, Jimmy and Kim are both dressed in their lawyers' suits, carrying briefcases, drawing attention to the aspects of their characters that are similar (they are both lawyers). However, they are walking through a double-door with a mullion prominently placed between them. This symbolizes that there is a wall between them -- not a literal wall, of course, here it is just an image that looks like one -- that separates them somehow. The double doors separated in this manner could in fact be interpreted as two separate doors, as though there are two potential paths that lawyers could take in their careers (not just different paths through the city but metaphorical paths, doing different things and working with different types of clients). Therefore in this shot Jimmy and Kim are shown to be two lawyers, similar in many ways, currently walking (working) side by side but on two different paths (career trajectories). But what trajectories could those be? Kim is on the right side of the shot, in the "right" door, and Jimmy is on the left. "Right" does not only refer to a relative physical orientation, but is also a synonym for "correct" or "good." Kim is on the "good" "career path". Jimmy's positioning on the left is far more subtle -- in ancient European culture dating back to the Roman era, upon which modern Western society is based, the left side became associated with evil. The Latin term for left, "sinister," survives today as an adjective used for those people who are devious, conniving, plotting to commit misdeeds. Thus, we can infer that Jimmy being on the left places him on a more "sinister" "career path" (remember, not just a physical path out of the court building) than Kim, who is on the "right" (literally and figuratively) side. I know this is facetious but it probably was the intention, more or less.
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Hector Salamanca is a thin skinned piss baby. I enjoy watching him taking everything so personally. Also, he drinks diet loving coke. Perfecto!
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Herv posted:Hector Salamanca is a thin skinned piss baby. I enjoy watching him taking everything so personally. Self-respect covers the pancreas.
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Looking forward to the inevitable crippling of fucko Salamanca, and Gus taunting him over it. Sucks that they kill each other in the end. Gus has to be my favourite character in the BrBa/BCS universe. I wish he won.
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timp posted:I guess that depends...what exactly is your read on it? Just Jimmy & Kim with an EXIT sign above them. We know their relationship isn't going to last already but it still seems ominous.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:But he did, in fact, destroy a cassette tape. The statement doesn't say anything about how or why said tape might be significant, or even that it was significant in any way. I think the point there is simply that Chuck immediately homes in on the very word that Kim changed. It’s also ridiculously petty. Who cares two‐buck cassette tape? The Human Crouton posted:What if everyone on the board secretly hates Chuck, and the though that he made their careers is a misnomer because every lawyer had to put up with his bullshit to make it in that town? Even if they have no ill will toward Chuck, if Chuck isn’t behaving “like the Chuck I knew”, they could focus on his illness or his plotting and let Jimmy slip by. Sagebrush posted:But most importantly, every large commercial printer and copier actually tags its prints (as an anti-counterfeiting measure) with a nearly-invisible code of faint yellow dots, including the printer model and serial number: Isn’t that only colour printers?
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I really loved how Jimmy's apology was an attempt for Chuck to realize Jimmy's trying to put those words in his mouth, in his head, and then Chuck adds in the cost of the tape. At that point, hope just drains from Jimmy. Man, this loving show 
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:and then Chuck adds in the cost of the tape. [chuck] Cassette tape. [/chuck]
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Herv posted:[chuck] *Jimmy stare*
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Platystemon posted:It’s also ridiculously petty. Who cares two‐buck cassette tape? Of course it's ridiculously petty in and of itself, especially when it's confirmed that the original still exists. If it had been the only copy, the two bucks wouldn't have fixed anything, anyway. Even so, it's still an item of personal property that belonged to Chuck. And I might have missed it, but I'm pretty sure there hasn't been one single word posted here protesting that it's out of character for Chuck to sit there and insist on including that two bucks in the amount Jimmy has to pay and spending time figuring out how to describe it to his satisfaction in Jimmy' statement. I'm guessing he had some kind of legalistic reason for wanting to make sure that was done "just right." Maybe he figures the specific mention of "a cassette tape" will give him a stronger case before the Bar Association at Jimmy's hearing: "He admits in writing to destroying a tape. And THIS..." (brandishes actual original tape) "...is what he wanted to destroy!!!"
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It's great to see Don Eladio again, that actor is fan-tast-ico. I'd watch three seasons of Eladio teasing Hector.
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I like Gus's representative's insistence that he wants to attend, but can't. The next time Don Eladio and Gus get together is in S4E10, and it's the last time too.
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Griefor posted:Just Jimmy & Kim with an EXIT sign above them. We know their relationship isn't going to last already but it still seems ominous. Well, I clearly remember in this same episode Gus entering a building with a chicken above him and he clearly aint no chicken.
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I don't think there's any deep meaning behind it, but it was interesting the contrast between Gus's precision about things and Chuck's. Gus makes sure the money is packed and wrapped just right and Eladio likes it. Chuck is precise about the cost of the tape down to the penny, and does it just to be as big a jerk as he can to Jimmy.
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CaptainCaveman posted:I don't think there's any deep meaning behind it, but it was interesting the contrast between Gus's precision about things and Chuck's. Gus makes sure the money is packed and wrapped just right and Eladio likes it. Oh, yeah, being a jerk to Jimmy is definitely part of it, no doubt about it. But I still think it's likely he wants to get "I destroyed Chuck's cassette tape" (or whatever the exact wording is) explicitly in writing from Jimmy. I'm not proposing that it's going to make or break the case against Jimmy, but I think it could help strengthen it enough (at least potentially, depending on how the hearing might play out) that Chuck feels it's worthwhile to spend a couple minutes quibbling over it. So I guess what I'm saying is, why not both?
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So the bar hearing results in some bullshit that Jimmy can't practice the law under the name James McGill anymore and he has to come up with a new name to get around that. Done.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:So the bar hearing results in some bullshit that Jimmy can't practice the law under the name James McGill anymore and he has to come up with a new name to get around that. Done. It's going to be the opposite. Chuck ruins the McGill name, so Jimmy works under an assumed name.
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Another possible extra reason for making sure the amount was exact is perhaps so Chuck can prove to everyone in the room that he's not the type to make small mistakes with numbers 
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Have you considered that maybe Chuck is just hard up for money and with that $2 he can manage to pay Ernie for another week???
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drunken officeparty posted:Have you considered that maybe Chuck is just hard up for money and with that $2 he can manage to pay Ernie for another week??? Ernie got fired.
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Cojawfee posted:Ernie got fired. And HHM is paying Ernie, and Chuck, and the PIs
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Cojawfee posted:Ernie got fired. Because he couldn't afford him anymore gosh its like you guys dont even pay attention when watching tv
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Another possible extra reason for making sure the amount was exact is perhaps so Chuck can prove to everyone in the room that he's not the type to make small mistakes with numbers Actually, I hope he is thinking that, because then my reaction is, "LOL, no way you're gonna remember exactly how much you paid for a loving cassette tape that's probably been lying around the house since 1987." (...and then he produces the receipt...)
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:So the bar hearing results in some bullshit that Jimmy can't practice the law under the name James McGill anymore and he has to come up with a new name to get around that. Done. Why would the bar ever assign that particular form of punishment? It's ridiculous and I doubt it's something that could be legally enforced, even by a team of lawyers. Remember in season 1 when Jimmy put up the billboard that looked just like HHM's, but with JMM, in the same shade of Hamlindigo Blue? The judge said that he was allowed to practice under his own name, and he just couldn't copy their branding. Unless you mean that Chuck will somehow win a civil suit that bars Jimmy from using the McGill name, and that seems even more preposterous. I imagine that Jimmy operates as Saul Goodman for the reasons that he stated in Breaking Bad -- he thinks he can market himself better as a Jewish lawyer. He's going to have some break with his brother at some point, but the decision to quit associating himself with McGill will be his alone. Platystemon posted:Isn’t that only colour printers? All commercial color printers and photocopiers, yes, but Wikipedia suggests that some black-and-white printers do it too. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 02:05 on May 3, 2017 |
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jfood posted:Bad rear end, mass-murdering, drug smuggling kingpin, but Gus still throws like a six year-old girl playing tee-ball. He got it in.
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jfood posted:Bad rear end, mass-murdering, drug smuggling kingpin, but Gus still throws like a six year-old girl playing tee-ball. Well, he is a little limp-wristed. 
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