Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Furism
Feb 21, 2006

Live long and headbang
So in the spirit of bashing IoT device makers, here's a new one (I think): https://www.pentestpartners.com/blog/iot-aga-cast-iron-security-flaw/

Neither the mobile app or website uses HTTPS, they in fact actively disabled SSL hostname validation, their website allows for enumeration of phone numbers, which is a problem because you control the cooker over a loving SMS with no authentication whatsoever.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Finding IoT vulnerabilities must just be shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Thanks Ants posted:

Finding IoT vulnerabilities must just be shooting fish in a barrel at this point.

Morbidly obese fish, in a small batch whisky barrel, that has been fit down the bore of a cannon.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

Furism posted:

So in the spirit of bashing IoT device makers, here's a new one (I think): https://www.pentestpartners.com/blog/iot-aga-cast-iron-security-flaw/

Neither the mobile app or website uses HTTPS, they in fact actively disabled SSL hostname validation, their website allows for enumeration of phone numbers, which is a problem because you control the cooker over a loving SMS with no authentication whatsoever.

quote:

9th April 2017 – Discovered that @Aga_official had blocked me on Twitter!

"If we ignore the problem, maybe it will go away."

GoatShaver
Nov 12, 2010

Just wanted to say thank you for this as well.

susan b buffering
Nov 14, 2016

Furism posted:

So in the spirit of bashing IoT device makers, here's a new one (I think): https://www.pentestpartners.com/blog/iot-aga-cast-iron-security-flaw/

Neither the mobile app or website uses HTTPS, they in fact actively disabled SSL hostname validation, their website allows for enumeration of phone numbers, which is a problem because you control the cooker over a loving SMS with no authentication whatsoever.

quote:

We believe that a business called Action Point (link opens Google cached PDF content) led the integration project. This led us on to the GSM module which we think is manufactured by Tekelek. Tekelek have a history in remote monitoring of oil storage tanks, heating systems, process control and medical devices among many things. These appear to be monitored using SMS, so I wonder where else this bizarre unauthenticated text messaging process might lead

:allears:

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/ReneFreingruber/status/855090151411855361/photo/1

Javascript was a mistake.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Javascript was a mistake.

This has nothing to do with it being JavaScript. If Node didn't exist they'd use Lua or Python or Tcl and it would fail exactly the same way.

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth
So the interpreter process is signed, but code it's loading isn't? How is this problem supposed to be solved correctly?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

The same way powershell handles it. It doesn't, AFAIK.

Methylethylaldehyde
Oct 23, 2004

BAKA BAKA

Forgall posted:

So the interpreter process is signed, but code it's loading isn't? How is this problem supposed to be solved correctly?

You can do what Carbon Black does, whitelist all the valid processes, and look for processes spawning poo poo that they shouldn't. If word invokes powershell, you probably hosed up, if outlook launches a bat file, you probably hosed up. Random unsigned programs being downloaded and invoked by Chrome or IE? Nope, block that poo poo.

It seems to work really well at my firm, we basically don't have malware tickets, which is absurd given the 1k+ endpoints we have.

Rufus Ping
Dec 27, 2006





I'm a Friend of Rodney Nano
that doesn't make sense in this scenario. the python interpreter doesn't necessarily "spawn" any other processes when it executes a malicious script

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Bit9/CarbonBlack is great and powerful but it basically requires at least one FTE in a normal sized enterprise to manage

Mustache Ride
Sep 11, 2001



CB/Bit9 is a great product, but its not designed for large enterprises. If you have over 10k endpoints, you better be prepared to throw a poo poo ton of money and FTEs to keep it running.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!
Part of the problem is that's GeForce Experience, which is a notoriously lovely program that NVIDIA loves to bundle with their driver updates. Their custom build of Node is always out of date. I have never seen a release that hasn't set off PSI.

ehnus
Apr 16, 2003

Now you're thinking with portals!
I really enjoy how Carbon Black sucks up 16% of my CPU when I'm compiling code at work.

Solaron
Sep 6, 2007

Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you.
https://9to5mac.com/2017/04/20/how-to-spot-a-phishing-attempt-fake-apple-site/

I'd never seen this before - our corporate version of Chrome still shows this: https://www.xn--80ak6aa92e.com as https://www.apple.com for me. Just a proof of concept, I know.

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Solaron posted:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/04/20/how-to-spot-a-phishing-attempt-fake-apple-site/

I'd never seen this before - our corporate version of Chrome still shows this: https://www.xn--80ak6aa92e.com as https://www.apple.com for me. Just a proof of concept, I know.

IE won't go to the phishing link. It just says check the spelling and try again. Was it already taken down?

Solaron
Sep 6, 2007

Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you.
No, still shows as Apple for me on Chrome. My IE does the same thing though.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Chrome for Android does this:

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?
Fired up an instance of Chrome, and I can paste the link in to there, but it shows it as https://www.xn--80ak6aa92e.com instead of apple. So I guess my users are safe at work.

Relatedly unrelated, Chrome's now throwing up a "Your connection is not secure" to users accessing one of our subdomains, because it's mixed http/https, and we're getting a number of tickets and calls about it. I'm stepping on our applications team to fix it, but they say it's not critical, so they'll fix it as they get around to it. :sigh: The desensitization is going to come back to bite us, I know it.

Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014

Avenging_Mikon posted:

Fired up an instance of Chrome, and I can paste the link in to there, but it shows it as https://www.xn--80ak6aa92e.com instead of apple. So I guess my users are safe at work.

Relatedly unrelated, Chrome's now throwing up a "Your connection is not secure" to users accessing one of our subdomains, because it's mixed http/https, and we're getting a number of tickets and calls about it. I'm stepping on our applications team to fix it, but they say it's not critical, so they'll fix it as they get around to it. :sigh: The desensitization is going to come back to bite us, I know it.

Edit: nevermind, I misunderstood you. It's still interesting though that the page itself is shown as apple.com when you go there.

Furism
Feb 21, 2006

Live long and headbang

CLAM DOWN posted:

Chrome for Android does this:



On my up-to-date Chrome for Android it shows up as Apple.com :shrug:

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Furism posted:

On my up-to-date Chrome for Android it shows up as Apple.com :shrug:

Mine is Chrome Beta actually, is yours the main public channel?

Furism
Feb 21, 2006

Live long and headbang

CLAM DOWN posted:

Mine is Chrome Beta actually, is yours the main public channel?

Yes, must be it.

Solaron
Sep 6, 2007

Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you.
Edit: Ugh, wrong thread.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Might be too late to uninstall Ghostery, but who knows?

https://twitter.com/1BlockerApp/status/858578767039651841

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


I uninstalled it a while ago because it interfered too much with normal browsing and didn't provide significant protection over adblock. Dodged a bullet, there!

bitprophet
Jul 22, 2004
Taco Defender
Can't find the source for that screencap on Cliqz's website; quick glance at various discussions about the acquisition seem mixed instead of soundly negative; proponents point out things like how Mozilla has invested in Cliqz and Cliqz' technology is open source, both of which appear verifiable.

So that gives me two questions: a) is or is not Cliqz actually a slimy tracking company, and b) if there's proof they are, what are the other alternatives (pay or free) for people wanting Safari ad blocking? (... is 1Blocker legit, for example?)

Literally asking for a friend (I use Chrome w/ uBlock Origin + Disconnect), I'd have a hard time getting them to switch off of Safari unfortunately.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



bitprophet posted:

Can't find the source for that screencap on Cliqz's website; quick glance at various discussions about the acquisition seem mixed instead of soundly negative; proponents point out things like how Mozilla has invested in Cliqz and Cliqz' technology is open source, both of which appear verifiable.

So that gives me two questions: a) is or is not Cliqz actually a slimy tracking company, and b) if there's proof they are, what are the other alternatives (pay or free) for people wanting Safari ad blocking? (... is 1Blocker legit, for example?)

Literally asking for a friend (I use Chrome w/ uBlock Origin + Disconnect), I'd have a hard time getting them to switch off of Safari unfortunately.

Why not just recommend they use uBlock Origin for Safari?

astral
Apr 26, 2004

bitprophet posted:

Can't find the source for that screencap on Cliqz's website

https://cliqz.com/en/support -> company info -> how does cliqz earn money?

bitprophet
Jul 22, 2004
Taco Defender

flosofl posted:

Why not just recommend they use uBlock Origin for Safari?

Because last time I looked, it wasn't available for Safari. But I see that changed about 5 months ago, so, happy day! Thanks!

astral posted:

https://cliqz.com/en/support -> company info -> how does cliqz earn money?

Well that'll teach me to look under 'About' instead of 'Support' :v:

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!
So I just installed the eBay app on my Android phone after a factory reset.

On first start it says "signing in with smart lock..." together with animated 'doing something' graphic for a few seconds, before realising that it can't pull creds from anywhere.

I check out what "smart lock" is, where pertaining to password auth:

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6197437

For fucks sake. You only ever have to log into the eBay app once, when you first run it.

I'm not sure exactly what I'm getting annoyed at here. It's either that users are now ushered toward saving all their passwords with their Google account, or it's the fact that the eBay app tries to pull creds without even asking you if you want it to do so.

Either way it's convenience gone mad and it cannot be as safe as using a decent password manager.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

There's a version of uBlock Origin for Safari now.

apseudonym
Feb 25, 2011

apropos man posted:

.

Either way it's convenience gone mad and it cannot be as safe as using a decent password manager.

Why do you think that?

eames
May 9, 2009

Docjowles posted:

There's a version of uBlock Origin for Safari now.

Does this use the faster/more efficient official Safari content blocking API? I checked the github and couldn't find anything regarding that.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
DON'T ROLL YOUR OWN ROBOTS

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

You can roll your robots, just don't loving expose them to the internet.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Hackers have been attacking SCADA for ages.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Subjunctive posted:

Hackers have been attacking SCADA for ages.

Yeah. It is the main reason why I get uppity about certain things. When you have machines that can kill you tend to have a different outlook than say if your only concern is data loss.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply