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cat doter posted:but that's a mischaracterisation of an argument in order to make it seem invalid, I would not consider myself a liberal at all, probably a fairly garden variety democratic socialist, and I consider those sorts of offensive terms like retard to be unnecessary and comes off as punching down, yet I continue to listen to the pod because I enjoy it and don't like that get in the way because I agree with them more than disagree my consideration is that it is lovely bikeshedding way more often than not, where somebody wants to have an opinion but isn't knowledgeable enough to respond to the deeper issues of class, so they target individual bad words
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theflyingexecutive posted:my consideration is that it is lovely bikeshedding way more often than not, where somebody wants to have an opinion but isn't knowledgeable enough to respond to the deeper issues of class, so they target individual bad words sure but it is not always that is all I'm saying
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May 3, 2017 19:06
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Serf posted:The Whole World Is Now a Message Board Lmao I like how everyone always gives 4chan so much credit for the trump win when it was actually just the same republican voters and Hillary sucking poo poo at campaigning.
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May 3, 2017 19:08
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Much like autism, care/irony is a spectrum.
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May 3, 2017 19:15
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I'm still mostly in the unironic caring part of the spectrum maybe I don't fit in with the dry boys...
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cat doter posted:sure but it is not always that is all I'm saying Yeah it's a bad thing, but at a tertiary effect
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Exploitation of workers and making jokes at the expense of people on the basis of autism or being retarded or whatever are both bad, i think. Liberal idiots like to run on the idea that concern for economic class and concern for other forms of class in America are mutually exclusive, but that's why they're liberal idiots and I'm a super smart Chapo listener. 
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emdash posted:97? Also, does anyone else literally listen to the show while doing squats? I may be the Most Felix Grey Wolf.
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100 degrees Calcium posted:Exploitation of workers and making jokes at the expense of people on the basis of autism or being retarded or whatever are both bad, i think. Liberal idiots like to run on the idea that concern for economic class and concern for other forms of class in America are mutually exclusive, but that's why they're liberal idiots and I'm a super smart Chapo listener. yeah like to me all that poo poo is linked, because we as socialists should care for everyone, both economically and culturally, liberalism does far more damage with their economic policies than their lame attempt at identity politics could ever repair
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May 3, 2017 19:31
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Ron Jeremy posted:I don't think any of these guys have an organic issue. This is just the result that posting has on the brain. Think how different it is than an actual conversation. You make a post aimed at no body in particular, maybe a forum of pseudonyms you've never met before. There are no real consequences for breaking norms, not the same feedback of reply and emotion you'd see in the body and face of someone you talk to in person. Nah, posting is a symptom. Before posting, there was screaming at passersby on a street corner.
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cat doter posted:yeah like to me all that poo poo is linked, because we as socialists should care for everyone, both economically and culturally, liberalism does far more damage with their economic policies than their lame attempt at identity politics could ever repair It baffles me how they constantly use the term "intersectionality" yet somehow avoid this very obvious poo poo. It's almost like most of them have no idea what they're talking about.
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cat doter posted:I would not consider myself a liberal at all, probably a fairly garden variety democratic socialist, and I consider those sorts of offensive terms like retard to be unnecessary and comes off as punching down,
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May 3, 2017 19:44
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Halloween Jack posted:Chapo is an oddity w/r/t this, though. Because when they're calling someone a retard, that person is probably a high-status idiot who is considered a Serious Thinker but lacks ordinary human decency. I just end up thinking "hey man don't drag them into this" it probably feels pretty bad to be equated with one of those terrible assholes
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100 degrees Calcium posted:It baffles me how they constantly use the term "intersectionality" yet somehow avoid this very obvious poo poo. I've seen it used by the liberal crew as a way they can get minor issues like bad words to supersede real class issues
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I'm honestly conflicted because while I know that calling people retards and cocksuckers is bad, I also laugh when people who I think probably acknowledge that saying those things is also bad but still are willing to do it in a funny way. Kind of like when Louis CK or Artie Lange drop n-bombs in an act or something. I give a lot of leeway when something clearly problematic is said in the context of some sort of artform like standup or posting. I guess that's kind of what makes Chapo the podcast for me. bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m fucked around with this message at 20:04 on May 3, 2017 |
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prefect posted:Maybe the real lesson here is that we should all cut each other a little bit of slack, because if we insist upon perfection, we're going to be disappointed. This. The left needs to spend more time building networks of solidarity and a great deal less time policing each other. Particularly where it cedes ground to the worst kind of concern trolling liberal shitheads. That said we do need to be able to say to each other "dude that's not cool, c'mon now" once in awhile. However, the excoriating witch hunts folk get into over saying the wrong word here and there aren't conducive to fostering the kind of atmosphere where that friendly critique can take place in good faith. The late Mark Fisher's Exiting the Vampire Castle should be required reading by this point.
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prefect posted:America has a problem with women being emotional. A male politician can cry like a bitch all the time and still be taken seriously, but if a woman cries, that's a clear sign that she's not tough enough to play with the big boys. And if she raises her voice, she becomes a shrieking harridan instead of an inspirational leader. Isn't this based on nothing? It seems like it was just an excuse to explain Clinton's terrible stage presence.
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:I'm honestly conflicted because while I know that calling people retards and cocksuckers is bad, I also laugh when people who I think probably acknowledge that saying those things is also bad but still are willing to do it in a funny way. Kind of like when Louis CK or Artie Lange drop n-bombs in an act or something. I give a lot of leeway when something clearly problematic is said in the context of some sort of artform like standup or posting. There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling someone a cocksucker.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Isn't this based on nothing? It seems like it was just an excuse to explain Clinton's terrible stage presence. have u heard of sexism Pharmaskittle posted:There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling someone a cocksucker. yeah I've heard some liberals say it's homophobic and like motherfucker you know a woman can suck a dick too right
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I mean it's not the kind of thing I generally yell at people about but the implication is pretty clearly that only women or gay men would suck a dick and not manly manly hetero men. Butthurt is kinda the same deal. It's too bad they're both just so, so fun to use.
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Similar to how oval office is a gender neutral term of abuse and/or endearment pretty much anywhere in the anglosphere except America.
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it's true I consider myself somewhat of a feminist and I say oval office a lot it's fun
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cat doter posted:it's true I consider myself somewhat of a feminist and I say oval office a lot it's fun well you're australian, oval office to you people is like saying "water" or "knife fight"
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Basically, https://www.facebook.com/TheOnion/videos/10155397968279497/
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Pharmaskittle posted:There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling someone a cocksucker. It certainly has a weird relationship with patriarchal notions of authority. But it's funny to call patriarchal morons cocksuckers.
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sleeptalker posted:It certainly has a weird relationship with patriarchal notions of authority. I like to call them retards.
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cat doter posted:yeah I've heard some liberals say it's homophobic and like motherfucker you know a woman can suck a dick too right Those people are retarded
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Alaois posted:well you're australian, oval office to you people is like saying "water" or "knife fight" hey come on now I've never had a drink of water in my life
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Neon Noodle posted:I sure do love posting
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Pretty much any sexual insult will draw accusations of homophobia or misogyny, depending on who it's directed against
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This is why I just call people monsters or garbage
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May 3, 2017 20:33
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As a cum-eating freak, I'd like to officially renounce any association with Podesta. I love eating cum, freakishly, and I have nothing in common with that man. He has never even been to the meetings. I'm not sure he even likes cum.
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whydirt posted:This is why I just call people monsters or garbage I like moron or dickhead I mean just the mental picture of a dick on someone's head it's just so absurd, haha, what a word
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May 3, 2017 20:35
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cocksucker is a racist dog whistle word because it uses the K sound 3 times
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whydirt posted:This is why I just call people monsters or garbage there are so many great words that can be used to describe our enemies. worthless, subhuman, wastes, smoothbrain, nimrod, fuckface, etc. the possibilities are endless
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I'm very fond of the word "ghoul." It describes a wide range of people, from columnists to businessmen to policymakers, who essentially make their living furthering an ideology that's literally driving the human race toward extinction.
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