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Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Pale Peril posted:

Btw, there are two episodes where they role play a Call of Cthulhu session set in the 1920s. (IMHO though, I wouldn't necessarily skip straight to those, a lot of throw back references to earlier episodes.)

Felix's spoken word white jazz in those episodes is one of my favourite things from the show

Hailey, I'm giving up thalidomide for you!

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Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Clipperton posted:

Counterpoint: NEW TWIN PEAKS IN TWO WEEKS MOTHERFUCKER WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The thing about Twin Peaks that most people seem to miss is that it was a twist on two types of show that were very common at the time, the cop/detective show and the small-town sitcom.

Alaois posted:

the most politically accurate game ever made is Fatal Fury
No, it's Floor 13.

TomViolence posted:

The global proletariat is going to be liquidated once it becomes superfluous. As automation and artificial intelligence creep onward capital will no longer need any human component at all to perpetuate itself and eventually humanity will be erased, leaving a dead planet full of machines tending machines building machines forever.
I've come to believe that this is where liberal and neocon ideology come together. They want the human population to basically be their country club, where they and their friends live in a utopia while all the work is done by machines. I mean, it's 19th century aristocracy all over again, but machines are even easier to keep out of sight than flesh-and-blood laborers.

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Yeah, it's Floor 13.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
I feel like the whole "life without work" discussion frames work in a way that only includes office drones and manual labor or factory work. I'd be a little worried about how those ideas effect jobs like, say, doctors or lawyers. What motivation does one have to become something like that after a few generations where you aren't expected to build toward a career?

I should probably actually read the article.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Henchman of Santa posted:

I feel like the whole "life without work" discussion frames work in a way that only includes office drones and manual labor or factory work. I'd be a little worried about how those ideas effect jobs like, say, doctors or lawyers. What motivation does one have to become something like that after a few generations where you aren't expected to build toward a career?


pretend I linked to a .wmv of patrick stewart in a unitard giving a speech about how humanity does things for the challenge of it in the 24th century

Serf
May 5, 2011


snucks posted:

This 100%. I think UBI is a lot better than the failed safety net we currently have in place but demand for it needs to be championed by the right, not the left.

This episode made me depressed as gently caress because Matt bothered bringing up the elephant in the room (when automation replaces a need for human labor, citizens are going to lose their relevance to pretty much any political/economic system) and nobody had anything resembling a solution and they immediately reverted to contemporary complaints about capitalism. Is there any viable vision of the future outside transhumanism that can assuage my anxiety about all this stuff?

transhumanism is bullshit. take comfort in knowing that even the rich will die horribly with the rest of us, but probably in funnier, sci-fi ways

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

Henchman of Santa posted:

I feel like the whole "life without work" discussion frames work in a way that only includes office drones and manual labor or factory work. I'd be a little worried about how those ideas effect jobs like, say, doctors or lawyers. What motivation does one have to become something like that after a few generations where you aren't expected to build toward a career?

I should probably actually read the article.

I feel like those occupations would be ok. Like, yeah, those jobs are prestigious in part because of their salary, but also because they're legitimately considered more "noble" than, say, building cars. How many very competent people would aspire to being a doctor for good reasons, but can't because they need to pay rent in the here and now so they take a job that doesn't satisfy them?

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Halloween Jack posted:

The thing about Twin Peaks that most people seem to miss is that it was a twist on two types of show that were very common at the time, the cop/detective show and the small-town sitcom.



WOOOOOOOO

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008
https://twitter.com/PissPigGrandma/status/861618914307878912

Thaddius the Large
Jul 5, 2006

It's in the five-hole!
https://twitter.com/dannydevito/status/861797743991410688

Danny should go on Cum Town.

Apoplexy
Mar 9, 2003

by Shine
Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won... Would have won...

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

https://twitter.com/Gavin_McInnes/status/861780658779303936
Lmao

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


https://twitter.com/ceofbaes/status/861801683201994756

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

Henchman of Santa posted:

I feel like the whole "life without work" discussion frames work in a way that only includes office drones and manual labor or factory work. I'd be a little worried about how those ideas effect jobs like, say, doctors or lawyers. What motivation does one have to become something like that after a few generations where you aren't expected to build toward a career?

I should probably actually read the article.

A lot of jobs are poo poo pay today but still people dream of becoming teachers, firemen or EMTs.

All profit is just unpaid wages.

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

https://twitter.com/liberalism_txt/status/861429657551474693

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

She would have to ream every single person involved in her campaign above volunteer level before she can put a single ounce of blame on the media.

Troy Queef
Jan 12, 2013





he opened for Bernie at a rally in my city: however, I was working when that rally took place (i ended up going to a different one a few days later, and sadly it was one of Jesse Jackson's kids opening then and not Frank Reynolds)

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Henchman of Santa posted:

I feel like the whole "life without work" discussion frames work in a way that only includes office drones and manual labor or factory work. I'd be a little worried about how those ideas effect jobs like, say, doctors or lawyers. What motivation does one have to become something like that after a few generations where you aren't expected to build toward a career?

I should probably actually read the article.

Being a doctor or lawyer (or more specifically practising law or medicine) generally involves a great deal of creativity and personal freedom in your work. The reason why less creatively satisfying occupations are singled out is both because they comprise the majority of jobs and because of the effects that they have on workers. After describing division of labour, Adam Smith actually articulated​ this as a major problem with it:


quote:

The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple operations, of which the effects are perhaps always the same, or very nearly the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding or to exercise his invention in finding out expedients for removing difficulties which never occur. He naturally loses, therefore, the habit of such exertion, and generally becomes as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become. The torpor of his mind renders him not only incapable of relishing or bearing a part in any rational conversation, but of conceiving any generous, noble, or tender sentiment, and consequently of forming any just judgment concerning many even of the ordinary duties of private life.

The idea of a world without work isn't one in which people do nothing all day, but one in which the things that they do aren't motivated by rewards in the form of money (in other words coerced by the threat of starvation and poverty) or status. It's probably a utopian idea, but I think trying to get as as close to it as we can is unambiguously good approach.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Troy Queef posted:

he opened for Bernie at a rally in my city: however, I was working when that rally took place (i ended up going to a different one a few days later, and sadly it was one of Jesse Jackson's kids opening then and not Frank Reynolds)

I don't think I've been disappointed by anything Danny Devito-related. :swoon:

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Is he being sarcastic? :confused:

The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

prefect posted:

Is he being sarcastic? :confused:

No; or, at least, I can fully believe Max Landis would be a full-blown Hillaryman

sub supau
Aug 28, 2007

Henchman of Santa posted:

I feel like the whole "life without work" discussion frames work in a way that only includes office drones and manual labor or factory work. I'd be a little worried about how those ideas effect jobs like, say, doctors or lawyers. What motivation does one have to become something like that after a few generations where you aren't expected to build toward a career?
Because they want to help people in need like decent loving people?

Serf
May 5, 2011


max landis is Not Smart

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

lol

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

TetsuoTW posted:

Because they want to help people in need like decent loving people?

Like what now?

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


TetsuoTW posted:

Because they want to help people in need like decent loving people?

Seriously, like, I work as a researcher and I make barely enough money to have a decent standard of living in the city where I live. Everyone I work with or know who does science for a living does this because they are driven by ideology. In fact, if we lived in a society where all of our basic needs were taken care of and money was no object in anything, it would make all of our lives easier, and we would still all definitely be doing science.

However, even in a society where basic needs are met, incentives can still exist for necessary but dangerous labor, or productive labor beyond the basic needs of a society. It is a fact that in any society there will be certain luxuries that are limited in supply, such as gems or beach front living space, or how frequently one can access things like intercontinental travel. Even under socialism these things can be used as rewards for these types of labor. Marx for instance thought that one possible model would be to have a system of nontransmissable vouchers for labor that could be used to acquire these things.

Serf
May 5, 2011


i think that in a world without work, i would get bored after a while and want some structure to my life, and working a job on a voluntary basis would be a good way to do that. i took a week off of work awhile back and did absolutely nothing the whole time and i was getting bored by the end of it

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I'm gonna self-actualize into salty vengeance Hillary all over you, baby.

I will always remember Gavin McInnes as the guy who told me to "smell a baby's breath and get back to him."

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Halloween Jack posted:

I'm gonna self-actualize into salty vengeance Hillary all over you, baby.

I will always remember Gavin McInnes as the guy who told me to "smell a baby's breath and get back to him."

like, is in the context of not wanting to procreate?

because i have begat two of my own and that breath is foul. all they eat is dairy, fam

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008


I live Gavin's profile pick because he trying to think real hard and it has made him cross eyed.

Huzanko
Aug 4, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Serf posted:

i think that in a world without work, i would get bored after a while and want some structure to my life, and working a job on a voluntary basis would be a good way to do that. i took a week off of work awhile back and did absolutely nothing the whole time and i was getting bored by the end of it

People would work and build things even if they didn't have to. There just wouldn't be people working menial garbage jobs and office facebooking jobs. People would be more human.

However, in that society, there would be no managers or financiers and rentiers to parastize it, and that's why it does not yet exist.

steakmancer
May 18, 2010

by Lowtax
If I was John Landis I would consider setting the worlds latest term abortion (~127th trimester)

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

steakmancer posted:

If I was John Landis I would consider setting the worlds latest term abortion (~127th trimester)

He could put Max in one of his movies.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

prefect posted:

He could put Max in one of his movies.

lmao

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

prefect posted:

He could put Max in one of his movies.

holy poo poo

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002


Did Amber just roll in for one quick comment during that Miya interview or am I imagining things?

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Yeah, she's on that episode.

Apoplexy
Mar 9, 2003

by Shine
I don't actually mind too much if Felix or Amber stay back and just make a few choice comments during an interview like that one (although those two are my faves, <3 Amber); Will did fantastically and the guest was actually really loving great, she fit in so well. I keep thinking to Bill Maher's show, how maybe if it weren't poo poo and actually had guests on who aren't going to just spew retarded lies and who actually fit in with the host like Chapo's guests do. And who're actually interesting, as opposed to the standard NYT columnists and politics show pundits/talking head losers.

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Huzanko posted:

People would work and build things even if they didn't have to. There just wouldn't be people working menial garbage jobs and office facebooking jobs. People would be more human.

However, in that society, there would be no managers or financiers and rentiers to parastize it, and that's why it does not yet exist.

project managers actually make my job reasonable lol. without project managers stuff never gets done because half the engineers get distracted by more interesting problems.

Slanderer fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Sep 8, 2022

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I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

So you're saying Felix should go on Real Time

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