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FreudianSlippers posted:I don't think I've ever had anything with corn syrup in it. Over here we just use heaps of regular old sugar. You've definitely had it if you eat sweet things at all. It does a lot of fun things altering the chemistry of sugar in candymaking and some other sorts of desserts.
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May 2, 2017 02:09
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Youtube user Clickspring is making a replica of the Antikythera Mechanism, using the most detailed imaging he can find to be reasonably sure of what used to be multiple small pieces instead of one larger one. The videos are coming out on the slower side but they're really worth it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML4tw_UzqZE That's the first video of the project and the playlist just has two more right now. It's going to be fun to watch.
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May 6, 2017 06:05
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That dude's videos are extremely therapeutic.
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May 6, 2017 09:04
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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:Youtube user Clickspring is making a replica of the Antikythera Mechanism, using the most detailed imaging he can find to be reasonably sure of what used to be multiple small pieces instead of one larger one. The videos are coming out on the slower side but they're really worth it. As long as he takes the necessary precautions so that it does not touch regular Kythera
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May 6, 2017 13:01
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This is probably something that has been covered in this thread in the past, but how historical was lorica segmentata? Was it in use for a brief period of republic/empire history, before be supplanted by more reliable mail?
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May 8, 2017 08:15
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It was actually used if that's what you mean, though it's presentation in fiction as the most common armour of the empire is wrong, for much of the time folks used other stuff. It's been gone over in this thread before, someone can probably fill you in.
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May 8, 2017 08:17
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I think a major reason why it was dropped in favour of maille was that maille is easier to make in some ways. It takes a long time but if you can make the wire you can set someone to making and attaching links with little practice, whereas working plates of metal requires more practice and skill in metalwork.
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May 8, 2017 10:01
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Phobophilia posted:This is probably something that has been covered in this thread in the past, but how historical was lorica segmentata? Was it in use for a brief period of republic/empire history, before be supplanted by more reliable mail? It was a real thing, yes. There is debate on how widely it was used. There's a camp that says its depiction in art is accurate, and the time period where it was used it was the most common type of armor. The support they give for this is that it's easier to make than lorica hamata, so when you have the state mass producing equipment they are likely to produce whatever is cheapest and easiest. Others argue that lorica hamata was a superior form of armor and the army would have stuck with the better armor. We don't really know. What is clear is that lorica segmentata was only used for a limited period of time, and by late antiquity was not around anymore. However, that could just be that the state's ability to supply the legions had broken down by then and the army was largely composed of foreign auxilia. Even when lorica segmentata was around, hamata was also in use. The depiction of centurions in hamata and regular soldiers in segmentata comes from the art and is maybe true? This is one of those things that has no surviving explicit documentation.
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May 8, 2017 10:03
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would you say theres a single worst time/place in history ever to be a human being
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May 9, 2017 05:00
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Kanine posted:would you say theres a single worst time/place in history ever to be a human being runner up is mid 20th century, same place but also east a bunch
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May 9, 2017 05:02
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Kanine posted:would you say theres a single worst time/place in history ever to be a human being Early 1940s/Auschwitz would be pretty far up there regardless of what role you were playing in the events. e: same with Rwanda in 1994 or Cambodia in the late 1970s or the Armenian parts of Turkey in the early 1910s fantastic in plastic fucked around with this message at 05:23 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 05:21
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Russia / Ukraine around the time of Ghengis Khan? In fact a few times in russia jump to mind. Or maybe being a native American circa 1492.
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May 9, 2017 05:26
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Where can I find good information on the Roman road system? I live in Rome now, and during a snowboarding trip north to Aosta, someone told me that is where "The old Roman road split" but didn't elaborate further. I'm fascinated by the engineering abilities of the Empire, but particularly the roads, even around Rome there are portions still in use. Papal Mainframe fucked around with this message at 09:47 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 05:27
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Black slave, 17th century, Caribbean sugar plantation.
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May 9, 2017 05:27
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When you multiply the amount of misery by the number of people it was inflicted on, there's no doubt in my mind that african slavery was by far the worst human institution ever created. I'm not convinced Caribbean plantations were the absolute worst per person though--any pre-modern mining slave gives them a run for their money I think.
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May 9, 2017 05:54
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Really just being alive at any point in time seems like it gives you a pretty reasonable chance of having a pretty poo poo life.
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May 9, 2017 06:24
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OwlFancier posted:Really just being alive at any point in time seems like it gives you a pretty reasonable chance of having a pretty poo poo life. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/29/sunday-review/these-guys-really-like-trump.html
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May 9, 2017 06:54
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There are those big exceptions but in general human misery increases the further back in time you go. Right now is the best time to be alive, and that statement is largely true for any time period you make it for. You can make arguments about freedom in pre-civilized tribal society and stuff that are compelling but like, you're going to die of smallpox and watch five of your eight children also die so I am not sure it's a trade worth making.
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May 9, 2017 10:40
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I feel like we just had this same lovely derail
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May 9, 2017 10:51
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Grand Fromage posted:There are those big exceptions but in general human misery increases the further back in time you go. Right now is the best time to be alive, and that statement is largely true for any time period you make it for.
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May 9, 2017 10:53
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HEY GAIL posted:in general yes, but the entire reason we talk about a "seventeenth century crisis" is that things didn't used to be that bad, then they got very bad very fast Yeah there are specific times in specific places that are aberrations. I was thinking more global average terms. Usually when this thought experiment is done it's "You're going to be born at some point in history. You can choose a date but nothing else." and the best answer is always now. That may change with the kind of environmental destruction modern civilization is capable of though!
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May 9, 2017 11:04
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the best time to be born was probably sometime between 1960-65. All the perks of being a baby boomer without having to fight in Vietnam.
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May 9, 2017 14:16
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Papal Mainframe posted:Where can I find good information on the Roman road system? Not being sarcastic: the wikipedia page on Roman roads is a great place to start. Most of the time, Roman roads will be a chapter in a book about roads in general, or the Roman military, or Roman engineering, or or or, but I guess there's also this book. I haven't read it, but it sounds as though it's not so much about the engineering of the roads, for which you are likely back to looking at a chapter or a journal article.
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May 9, 2017 14:39
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cheetah7071 posted:When you multiply the amount of misery by the number of people it was inflicted on, there's no doubt in my mind that african slavery was by far the worst human institution ever created. Look up the mortality rates for those caribbean plantations. They were BAD. I read an article at one point about how the French actually did the math to figure out how much they had to give a gently caress about their slaves to come out ahead, financially. No point in training up and feeding a bunch of people who will die of the pox in haiti within the first year, but after that first wave of disease related die-offs they would take better care of them because all of a sudden it became cheaper to maintain the survivors than import new ones. One of these days I'd like someone to take a look at those old plantation and shipping records, calculate an average mortality rate, and figure out how many people the trans-atlantic slave trade killed during its heyday. One of the things we forget in thinking about how awful it was is that the people of african descent living in N. and S. America today are the descendants of the LUCKY ones - whether lucky enough to have survived or lucky enough to have been imported after the worst of the labor related killing had ended because of increases in the cost of importing new slaves. edit: jesus loving christ I googled to see if I could find good numbers and they are all over the place. Estimates range from 6 to 150+ million. The official UN estimation is 17 million but the handful of articles I skimmed seem to think 60 million is about right.
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May 9, 2017 14:43
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Cyrano4747 posted:Look up the mortality rates for those caribbean plantations. They were BAD. I just read a pop history book and I worked out that for one particular ship, a bit over 90% of slaves were dead within 18 months of leaving Africa. That's probably not including the ones who died before it even left Africa. And that was just one voyage with under 200 slaves.
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May 9, 2017 15:14
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Yeah but I never owned a slave so why should I have to think about this this is sarcastic please don't yell at me
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May 9, 2017 15:21
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We had a history teacher around when I was 13 who did this thing where he set up the desks in a mock slave ship shape and had the class lie, some on the desks and some under, sort of like this, then the few kids who got randomly selected as "slavers" tied some twine all around us and bound our hands in it. It wasn't dangerous or anything, you could break the twine very easily, but it got some parents mad. I dunno if that's an appropriate history lesson but drat if being arranged like that, voluntarily, for 15 minutes isn't horrible enough. It isn't hard to imagine throwing myself overboard at the first opportunity, if I had to take the real voyage.
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May 9, 2017 16:52
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:We had a history teacher around when I was 13 who did this thing where he set up the desks in a mock slave ship shape and had the class lie, some on the desks and some under, sort of like this, then the few kids who got randomly selected as "slavers" tied some twine all around us and bound our hands in it. It wasn't dangerous or anything, you could break the twine very easily, but it got some parents mad. it's very appropriate and offended parents should go take a loving hike
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May 9, 2017 17:06
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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May 9, 2017 17:11
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Grand Fromage posted:There are those big exceptions but in general human misery increases the further back in time you go. Right now is the best time to be alive, and that statement is largely true for any time period you make it for. Fun fact, smallpox didn't emerge until something like 1500 bc. "Plague" style diseases can't exist without the population density that comes with civilization. The mortality rates of pre-civilized societies were atrocious because of violence, not disease. Or at least that's my understanding.
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May 9, 2017 19:32
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Jamwad Hilder posted:the best time to be born was probably sometime between 1960-65. All the perks of being a baby boomer without having to fight in Vietnam. Just as long as you aren't born in Vietnam in 1960.
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May 9, 2017 19:45
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Chichevache posted:Just as long as you aren't born in Vietnam in 1960. I should have specified that I meant the United States.
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May 9, 2017 20:02
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Unless you're black, gay, a woman, etc
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May 9, 2017 20:08
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peer posted:Unless you're black, gay, a woman, etc Better than the 1860s.
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May 9, 2017 20:25
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peer posted:Unless you're black, gay, a woman, etc Modern USA is without doubt one of the best places to be born a black gay woman in recorded history.
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May 9, 2017 21:05
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peer posted:Unless you're black, gay, a woman, etc Please get some perspective
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May 9, 2017 21:30
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cheetah7071 posted:Fun fact, smallpox didn't emerge until something like 1500 bc. "Plague" style diseases can't exist without the population density that comes with civilization. The mortality rates of pre-civilized societies were atrocious because of violence, not disease. Or at least that's my understanding. Um, disease is a HUGE part of it if you're talking pre-cities. You don't have epidemic diseases wiping out thousands at a go, but any bullshit injury could result in a life threatening infection. This is made worse by the food insecurity that goes with not having stable agriculture. It's not just the threat of starvation either, even very mild malnutrition can really gently caress up your immune system. Let's not even talk about infant and maternal mortality.
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Jeez guys I know "right now" has always been the correct answer, but forums user "Jamwad Hilder" seemed to say the 1960s would have been better than Right Now, which is obviously wrong both for the reasons mentioned and because everyone knows the mid-80s would be the best, since you'd get to experience the optimism & music of the 90s and act justifiably jaded, cynical and world-weary after 9/11.
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