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big scary monsters posted:Jews are allowed to drink though, and there are some non-hatted Christians who don't. I reckon it's not a religious proscription so much as the constant anxiety that if you get pissed you'll leave your hat somewhere.
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Hoops posted:Hello - news alert for the first summaries of the Tory manifesto. This is such a shockingly good idea that it would never get implemented. If Labour wants to stand up for the real workers, this right here should be a cornerstone of their platform. Policys that actually help the British working man and put the screws to the manager class for hurting the workers by driving down wages with foreigners.
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There's lots of ways to keep a hat on your head if you have enough imagination. Glue, staples, hubris...
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Evil_Urna posted:This is such a shockingly good idea that it would never get implemented. If Labour wants to stand up for the real workers, this right here should be a cornerstone of their platform. Policys that actually help the British working man and put the screws to the manager class for hurting the workers by driving down wages with foreigners. Electorally it's a really good idea, but ethically if you consider yourself both a socialist and internationalist it's pretty bad. The real way to fix it is to enforce pay and conditions evenly across the board so that immigrants are paid fairly and aren't undercutting anyone. They're workers too after all.
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His holiness does not wear a hat during that part of the mass. Not even a Zucchetto. And it is a little pedantic, but that is no longer wine in the chalice but the blood of Christ. And what catholics believe is really no stranger then some of the wacky things I read in this thread. TomViolence posted:Electorally it's a really good idea, but ethically if you consider yourself both a socialist and internationalist it's pretty bad. The real way to fix it is to enforce pay and conditions evenly across the board so that immigrants are paid fairly and aren't undercutting anyone. They're workers too after all. True, but the acceptance of internationalism is waning in the UK. I mean Brexit and what not. But it behoove the UK to promote high wages for workers. Higher wages = more taxes. Unchecked immigration depresses wages as pretty much a rule. It has happened in the US in the farming and manual labor industries. Its the market at work, why hire Nigel when Niecisław will do the same work for five pounds less an hour. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) Evil_Urna fucked around with this message at 02:44 on May 18, 2017 |
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I'm sure that it is, in fact, still wine. Just me being a wee bit pedantic
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Namtab posted:I'm sure that it is, in fact, still wine. Just me being a wee bit pedantic Wee bit bigoted. Stop invalidating catholic culture. That is very anglo centric of you.
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TomViolence posted:Electorally it's a really good idea, but ethically if you consider yourself both a socialist and internationalist it's pretty bad. The real way to fix it is to enforce pay and conditions evenly across the board so that immigrants are paid fairly and aren't undercutting anyone. They're workers too after all. I really think labour might need to make some hard choices about internationalism and immigration if it wants to be able to do any good at all.
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Namtab posted:I'm sure that it is, in fact, still wine. Just me being a wee bit pedantic It's obviously both wine and blood. You clearly know nothing about catholic jesus's blood alcohol level. hakimashou posted:I really think labour might need to make some hard choices about internationalism and immigration if it wants to be able to do any good at all. Wow, something I actually agree with you on. Though I suppose we're probably still divided on which options we'd hope they ultimately decide upon.
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Evil_Urna posted:Wee bit bigoted. Stop invalidating catholic culture. That is very anglo centric of you. Unlike anime fans and Catholics I don't think loving kids is a valid cultural choice
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number one pta fan posted:Houses over 100K is 87% of houses in the UK. It's an attack on most people who can't afford to pay to opt out of having their home sold from under them to balance the national budget. It's a good left wing policy. Inheriting 100k is still a huge amount of money.
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Fees for foreign workers on the other hand is inexcusable garbage, I can't believe people are defending it. I suppose it make sense when so many so called socialists in this thread love a but of nationalism.
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pointsofdata posted:It's a good left wing policy. Inheriting 100k is still a huge amount of money. It would be an even better policy at, say, 50k
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pointsofdata posted:It would be an even better policy at, say, 50k are you okay there, mate?
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a foreign worker levy is an effective way to split the material gains from migration, which otherwise accrue mostly to the migrant worker (the local employer doesn't gain as much as you might think, gauging by the elasticities - makes sense, since all the other local capitalists have the same access too) it also has good politics, as the primary means for rationing foreign labour, since it puts a number on exactly how much more valuable the foreign worker is. this blunts the noxious self-reinforcing politics of foreign labour by favouring a degree of honesty - employers whining about skills shortages can have a number put on exactly how short it is (or whether they're really in it just to bid wages down), unions stop being able to claim that they're protecting foreign workers too, etc. elasticity estimates don't have the same political effect of put-up-or-shut-up. and there's less of the complex bureaucracy of the labour market test. there are always Welfare-Fraud-flavoured anecdotes of someone who snuck through the test in some underhanded fashion, you could investigate and see that the proportion of such incidents is not actually significant but these narratives are still highly effective at undermining popular confidence it is Bad Ethics for reasons already highlighted. nobody, I hope, looks at nonwhite nonmale access to the labour market and thinks: gee, better slap a levy on these folks to spread it out too.
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Evil_Urna posted:Wee bit bigoted. Stop invalidating catholic culture. That is very anglo centric of you. I am actually a Catholic, I may very well be bigoted against myself tho. Namtab fucked around with this message at 08:12 on May 18, 2017 |
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Interesting article on why the polls are poo poo EDIT: sebzilla posted:Are vegetarian Catholics ok with drinking blood and chomping on some dead dude? Listen if you're not going to do the symbolic cannibalism you've got no place in the pagan reconstructionist religion commonly known as catholicism TomViolence fucked around with this message at 08:25 on May 18, 2017 |
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sebzilla posted:Are vegetarian Catholics ok with drinking blood and chomping on some dead dude?
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sebzilla posted:Are vegetarian Catholics ok with drinking blood and chomping on some dead dude? Correct answer: who cares
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The solution is not a one-size-fits-all levy, the solution is making sure that the underpaid foreign workers... are not underpaid. I mean, if you're going to go after the companies, go after them in a way that makes sense and helps all the workers. If you want to apply a levy on top of that, sure ok, why not. But the important thing to level the field is to make sure that scummy companies can't pay forrins less than they'd pay tru-blood Britons.
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Pochoclo posted:The solution is not a one-size-fits-all levy, the solution is making sure that the underpaid foreign workers... are not underpaid. I mean, if you're going to go after the companies, go after them in a way that makes sense and helps all the workers. Yes but that would actually be humane and equitable. You have to be seen to be making Tough Decisions to get anywhere in British politics and for a society whose founding principles seem to be the subjugation, impoverishment and wholesale slaughter of one third of the globe Tough Decision-Making for some reason has to entail immiserating at least some poor bastard on general principle.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:You will end up with people gaming the system by signing over their houses before they die so it doesn't get gobbled up by the goverment
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Namtab posted:Give me the piss of Christ Tap your foot three times then cough in the confessional box, some traditions never change
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Don't you have like a £325k allowance inheritance-tax-free, and then 40% on anything after that? Seems like a very generous allowance for the vast majority of people
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I don't think it's going to end up the same way but i'm getting a real "shades of Hillary" vibe from the Tory campaign. Like, they don't seem to be offering anything. What are their policies so far? Take a year off unpaid to look after your nan! We're going to cut the winter fuel allowance for people who have enough money aka people who vote for us! Did we mention Theresa May Is Strong And Stable? It's probably too much to hope for but I do wonder if some part of the Tory base is not going to come out on polling day because the campaign has been so...meh.
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Its looking a bit mean towards their core base, old people, so far isn't it. And old people have grandchildren who are getting free school dinners. Here's hoping its pisses enough of them off!
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https://twitter.com/Independent/status/865126351698841600 May, May takes food away.
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Literally taking food from the mouths of poor children, and leaving the old poor to die. With these outright evil policies meant to make people miserable, they're gonna win by a landslide.
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Evil_Urna posted:Wee bit bigoted. Stop invalidating catholic culture. That is very anglo centric of you. I'm English and baptised Catholic. poo poo is wine.
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Pochoclo posted:Literally taking food from the mouths of poor children, and leaving the old poor to die. I genuinely think that they're just trying to see how much evil poo poo they can get away with while maintaining their Brexit boost. May could hollow out a child's head and lay her eggs in it and the papers will be talking about how strong and stable a Web she built.
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Alcohol advice for pregnant women ‘is sexist and may cause harm’ Thoughts? Sexist is probbaly the wrong word to use but experts are saying it so they probably have a point.
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Hmmmm I wonder if you could somehow combine the two. I know this is gonna sound a bit crazy but what if... what if we fed children in poor socioeconomic situations properly? Nah gently caress the skivers, let them earn it, reintroduce child labour
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Namtab posted:Far age has been saying things lately If a middle class white man stabbed a woman he would be at least looking at one to two years in Jail Women get let off easy in the court system all the time
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:If a middle class white man stabbed a woman he would be at least looking at one to two years in Jail Are you just trolling or are we seriously going to have a MENS RIGHTS discussion?
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:If a middle class white man stabbed a woman he would be at least looking at one to two years in Jail Any sentence of under two years can be suspended, as happened here, and in the Bashir case which was a man assaulting his wife. You're an idiot. gently caress off.
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/Independent/status/865126351698841600 Theresa ran away (no) Strong an' stably ran away away, (I didn't) When debates reared their ugly head Theresa turned her tail and fled (I never) Yes brave Theresa chickened out When immigrants she could not clout (you're lying!) swiftly using every law she crushes paupers to the floor Brexit 'cause of Dave, pigfucker.
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