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Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

I am the Wizard Master
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Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:
Furthermore, as the world's foremost Simpsons photoshop and rape sleuth,

Mustached5thGrader
Oct 1, 2011

My mother won't let me grow a goatee.

PostNouveau posted:

Looks like a photoshop from the episode where Skinner and Edna are hooking up and Bart reveals them making out in the closet.

I can tell from the pixels

Drink-Mix Man
Mar 4, 2003

You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

I miss the old intro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEIzuJZj03U

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Is season 10 when Groening left? When did Conan stop writing for it?

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Conan was only there for like 2 years and he only has 4 writing credits (although it's such a collaborative process he had input on a lot of other stuff)

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
I often wonder how the Simpsons gets renewed every time

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

Ein cooler Typ posted:

Conan was only there for like 2 years and he only has 4 writing credits (although it's such a collaborative process he had input on a lot of other stuff)

People think of Conan writing the show the way John Swartzwelder wrote it- I think by the end he wrote more than 60 episodes, by himself essentially, and would just drop them off at the studio- literally hand them out from behind the wheel of his car to someone waiting (this was Swartzwelder, not Conan- JS' writing is most prominent in the first 10 seasons, and his humor is very much a core part of the show when you recognize his style and which jokes are his).

Because his writing contract with Fox wasn't done yet by the time he got his own show, Conan had to pay about $150,000 to replace David Letterman on NBC :v:

Conan is a funny motherfucker and probably deserves the credit though, all things considered

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed
He coined the name Jubjub. In the serious jibba Jabba round table they talk about his contributions more in depth. Total prowatch

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010

Iron Crowned posted:

I often wonder how the Simpsons gets renewed every time

Simpsons is still making lots of money for everyone involved. No need to slaughter a cash cow. Most of it is through licensing though.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Ein cooler Typ posted:

Conan was only there for like 2 years and he only has 4 writing credits (although it's such a collaborative process he had input on a lot of other stuff)

Conan has taken credit for pretty much every gag where some random object that shouldn't catch on fire catches on fire, which are some of my favorite ones from the good old days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tVaMxyvjXA

Explosive Tampons
Jul 9, 2014

Your days are gone!!!
what are you guys talking about new simpsons is pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRX3NZqdzNA

:suicide:

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Went to China last month and they had some great bootleg simpsons poo poo:





The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

  • Bart Simpson
  • Air Jordans
  • Someone getting killed over Air Jordans
Pure, distilled early 90s.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Explosive Tampons posted:

what are you guys talking about new simpsons is pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRX3NZqdzNA

:suicide:

Did they get those deviantart people who make Simpsons porn to write for the show or something.

DoctorGonzo
Jul 25, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I just watched some fracking episode. what the gently caress was that?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Lurdiak posted:

Conan has taken credit for pretty much every gag where some random object that shouldn't catch on fire catches on fire, which are some of my favorite ones from the good old days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tVaMxyvjXA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlOYtczJLlU&t=19s

Hee hee hee.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

It's been said but I really miss Skinner's Vietnam flashbacks

"Up With Miniskirts"

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

relateable

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Code Jockey posted:

It's been said but I really miss Skinner's Vietnam flashbacks

"Up With Miniskirts"

Do you think they got rid of them because they thought it aged Skinner too much for modern audiences.

I mean obviously it wasn't because the joke would get overused and stale given everything about modern Simpsons. My thought sounds just dumb and cynical enough I think that's whats going on.

NiceGuy
Dec 13, 2006

This is my BOOMSTICK
College Slice
At this point Skinner was probably never really in Vietnam, he was in Desert Storm

Whoever said they should have aged everyone 5 years every 10 seasons or so is right. We would have lost minimal classic material and it might have kept the writers from having to retread over characters' origins two, three, four times.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

NiceGuy posted:

At this point Skinner was probably never really in Vietnam, he was in Desert Storm

Whoever said they should have aged everyone 5 years every 10 seasons or so is right. We would have lost minimal classic material and it might have kept the writers from having to retread over characters' origins two, three, four times.

I still wonder if just doing updated Simpsons series wouldn't have been better to just update the setting of the universe every 5-6 seasons wouldn't have been better so that you have eras of the show that are locked in specific time capsule bubbles. But at the same time, it would openly invite going over and doing retreads of origins every few years, too, though. I guess think about it in comic book terms, some DC Universe multiverse stuff. It maybe gives you an opportunity for every so often for something like the holiday specials like Treehouse or Horrors or Christmas Episodes etc. to tell stories specifically in a certain way by using classic incarnations.

Simpsons reboot today, for example, Marge would likely be the one working at the power plant and Homer would be the stay at home dad.

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

JediTalentAgent posted:

I still wonder if just doing updated Simpsons series wouldn't have been better to just update the setting of the universe every 5-6 seasons wouldn't have been better so that you have eras of the show that are locked in specific time capsule bubbles. But at the same time, it would openly invite going over and doing retreads of origins every few years, too, though. I guess think about it in comic book terms, some DC Universe multiverse stuff. It maybe gives you an opportunity for every so often for something like the holiday specials like Treehouse or Horrors or Christmas Episodes etc. to tell stories specifically in a certain way by using classic incarnations.

Simpsons reboot today, for example, Marge would likely be the one working at the power plant and Homer would be the stay at home dad.

I don't think it works, one of my least favorite episodes is where they recast Homer and Marge's past so that they were college aged during the nineties. The Homer I liked loved dinosaur bands from the seventies like Grand Funk Railroad, was listening to 'Yummy Yummy Yummy' instead of watching the moon landing, saw his mother disappear after she got overinfected with 60s rebellion and most of all fell in love with Marge in high school in the 70s. When they made 'The Way we Was' no longer applicable they didn't have anything to replace it with other than hackneyed 'Remember this?! 90s kids!' references.

Just kill the stupid show.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

if they aged the characters it would be a completely different kind of show. the show was at its best when the world basically reset at the end of every episode. they should have just ended it with the movie. or earlier.

Drink-Mix Man
Mar 4, 2003

You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

I don't really give a poo poo about the continuity of a cartoon about yellow people who break into musical numbers, go into space, and spontaneously re-enact scenes from famous movies. Just make it funny and you can re-tell the backstory or do whatever you want. Who watches The Simpsons for a story arc?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003

Drink-Mix Man posted:

I don't really give a poo poo about the continuity of a cartoon about yellow people who break into musical numbers, go into space, and spontaneously re-enact scenes from famous movies. Just make it funny and you can re-tell the backstory or do whatever you want. Who watches The Simpsons for a story arc?

I think part of the writers' concern is not so much "story arc" but trying to keep up with the reference points of their audience as their audience has shifted. when the show first came out, I was a slightly older than Bart, my parents were roughly the same age as Homer and Marge and were hippies in the 60's, my grandfather the same age as Grandpa and served in WW2, etc. - but the show still tries to target a teen/college audience which means people who were like 2 years old when 9/11 happened. So I get that they are trying to keep up in that respect, because the show has always had all sorts of culture references. But it seems like thats all they focus on now, which is stupid because most of classic bits people like from the old days were not the pop culture references, they were character based. Some of the movie parody moments and cameos etc were funny at the time but thats not what is memorable about the good days of the show.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 19, 2017

Drink-Mix Man
Mar 4, 2003

You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

I guess when the 90's backstory episode came out, I just thought it was a goof so I didn't get too up in a twist about it. I didn't really see them trying to reset the backstory or anything necessarily, I just thought they were acknowledging how old the show is now with a one-off riff on recently-retro 90's culture. Some of the jokes were predictably lame but I thought the idea was kind of clever.

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010

Drink-Mix Man posted:

I don't really give a poo poo about the continuity of a cartoon about yellow people who break into musical numbers, go into space, and spontaneously re-enact scenes from famous movies. Just make it funny and you can re-tell the backstory or do whatever you want. Who watches The Simpsons for a story arc?

I think it's hard for the writers to be creative and funny when all the character relationships have been fully explored and then some. There are only so many ways an 8 year old can interact with her parents before you either start re-hashing previous stuff or just go off the rails completely. Slowly aging the characters would naturally open up more story lines for the writers without being confined to a narrow box.

Houle
Oct 21, 2010
I wouldn't mind them being completely meta like they were "behind the laughs" where they make a joke about bart not aging. Just have Springfield be this time capsule of not quite 90s and the characters never aging while constantly finding themselves more and more behind the rest of the world not quite sure what to make of it. Rather than trying to make "Mapple" jokes, have professor Frink be the only person who can work a smart phone and the whole town be absolutely blown away at the advance capabilities of it. That could be a gag in itself, something so mundane being such a mind blowing concept. As the world gets more and more connected via internet just have it be that since Springfield moved due to the garbage man episode they weren't able to hook up to the internet or something because of the maintenance men being really late playing off that joke that peeps can relate to - that maintenance men are always late and the time they say that they will show up is super vague


I don't know. I never went to Harvard so I don't know what's funny.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

i'm baffled at the fact that so many recent episodes apparently add a single letter to a real-life company and we're supposed to laugh at that every time

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Osric posted:

Season 11 was where it fell apart for me.

This is the season where Maude is killed by a t-shirt cannon, Apu and his wife have octuplets, Barney quits drinking, Bart is on Ritalin, and Homer gets a job as a food critic and local restaurant owners try to assassinate him. There are funny bits but it feels like they're having to constantly escalate things with zany, tone-deaf character developments.

That said, it has been about ten years since I last watched an episode of the Simpsons, I hear it got worse, then better, then worse again?

Yeah it was the Maude episode where I first remember things feeling really off. The Jockey episode I remember loving cause it seemed like a one off explosion of goofiness and had some great jokes in it. The Skinner episode was a little weird but still good. But Homer killing Maude and showing no remorse and them making light of it was where the "Homer as a a complete rear end in a top hat instead of a clueless dolt" trend really took off and that's around when I stopped watching religiously

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

khwarezm posted:

I don't think it works, one of my least favorite episodes is where they recast Homer and Marge's past so that they were college aged during the nineties. The Homer I liked loved dinosaur bands from the seventies like Grand Funk Railroad, was listening to 'Yummy Yummy Yummy' instead of watching the moon landing, saw his mother disappear after she got overinfected with 60s rebellion and most of all fell in love with Marge in high school in the 70s. When they made 'The Way we Was' no longer applicable they didn't have anything to replace it with other than hackneyed 'Remember this?! 90s kids!' references.

Just kill the stupid show.

how about this

you can watch the episodes you like and ignore the ones you don't like

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

going back to the poll and the first post in the thread: Totally Not Putin in the "Homer Votes" clip should be wearing a Springfield Isotopes shirt instead of a Red Sox shirt. on the other hand, the entertainment industry is run by massholes

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
Although I remember the first one where I was like "wait this doesn't feel like the Simpsons at all anymore" was Missionary Impossible. I didn't even hate it at the time I just realized it felt like Family Guy instead of the Simpsons, and that was still when Family Guy was on the air in their first run

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Drink-Mix Man posted:

I guess when the 90's backstory episode came out, I just thought it was a goof so I didn't get too up in a twist about it. I didn't really see them trying to reset the backstory or anything necessarily, I just thought they were acknowledging how old the show is now with a one-off riff on recently-retro 90's culture. Some of the jokes were predictably lame but I thought the idea was kind of clever.

They didn't do anything with it other than the most obvious 90s jokes ('Rape me? More like, Shave me. Ah? Ah?') and retread Homer and Marge's relationship in the laziest way. Personally I think old Simpsons did a respectable job of injecting a little bit of genuine emotion when needed, The Way We Was is one of the best examples and watching them try to put a new spin on that came across as particularly hollow.

Hey, want to feel old? That episode was first aired almost 10 years ago.

Aesop Poprock posted:

Yeah it was the Maude episode where I first remember things feeling really off. The Jockey episode I remember loving cause it seemed like a one off explosion of goofiness and had some great jokes in it. The Skinner episode was a little weird but still good. But Homer killing Maude and showing no remorse and them making light of it was where the "Homer as a a complete rear end in a top hat instead of a clueless dolt" trend really took off and that's around when I stopped watching religiously

Something I always thought was funny about that episode was that after Maude's funeral everyone goes to the Simpson's house for some reason, even though Ned's is right there. I think they straight up forgot to write a justification for why this was.

Robo Reagan posted:

how about this

you can watch the episodes you like and ignore the ones you don't like

Wouldn't have a thread then.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
lol at people who get mad when someone talks about why they don't like a thing.
Like, what have you even been doing since November?

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Aesop Poprock posted:

Although I remember the first one where I was like "wait this doesn't feel like the Simpsons at all anymore" was Missionary Impossible. I didn't even hate it at the time I just realized it felt like Family Guy instead of the Simpsons, and that was still when Family Guy was on the air in their first run
the ironic thing is that this episode ended with a "gently caress Family Guy" gag, in addition to the ending being stupid as hell. seth macfarlene truly won the war

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
Modern Simpsons is still better than Modern South Park because at least whoever is still watching The Simpsons doesn't feel the need to spam clips on Facebook after every episode and act like their dead gay show is still in any way clever or insightful.

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

I am the Wizard Master

Guy Mann posted:

Modern Simpsons is still better than Modern South Park because at least whoever is still watching The Simpsons doesn't feel the need to spam clips on Facebook after every episode and act like their dead gay show is still in any way clever or insightful.

Not sure what this means mate.

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Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

get that OUT of my face posted:

the ironic thing is that this episode ended with a "gently caress Family Guy" gag, in addition to the ending being stupid as hell. seth macfarlene truly won the war

I still think the Simpsons' lovely treatment of the show was because they saw Family Guy as a threat: not creatively as much as 'another animated show that will take our place when Fox finally gets sick of us' kind of mentality. It was startling how a show that was twenty or so years old and drifting through seasons without a care suddenly gave a gently caress when Family Guy came back on the air and started making it big. It was just so sad all around and it didn't help that the Simpsons creative team at the time tried to claim ownership to the basic sitcom premise as a whole to justify their pissy rage.

It was just very startling to see them give a gently caress about a show they didn't give a gently caress about for some time.

Wizard Master posted:

Not sure what this means mate.

Do people even post clips of South Park on Facebook anymore? I thought the show was pretty much out of people's minds once the season had ended. I don't even have cable anymore and the only thing I remember about South Park in recent memory was how the creators were getting scared of doing satire once Trump got into office and then were going to try doing something else with their new season, and it's been a few months since then.

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