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Kashuno posted:pls dont talk about ongoing games
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May 25, 2017 17:37
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Retro Futurist posted:Y tho Are you serious? This was literally the only thing you posted all day yesterday: Retro Futurist posted:I still want to kill bif but yeah sure let's do this first ##vote flam That's your being active? Ok.
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May 25, 2017 17:59
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Kashuno posted:RF I get what you're saying and I respect it but Ok duder. Let's just kill off people WHO ARE ACTUALLY POSTING NOW. Why?
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May 25, 2017 18:01
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Because it's a free kill and we already killed a scum today. General mafia math is 3 Town is roughly 1 Scum. Since we have killed one scum already today, we could afford a loss of a townie if RF is town. It's basic game math
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May 25, 2017 18:10
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DB first, he's not doing anything ##vote DB
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May 25, 2017 18:31
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Just because we're at an advantageous position because we just killed a scum doesn't mean its a smart move to squander that advantage through uninformed killing. That's not how "game math" works.
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May 25, 2017 18:32
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Your Personal Muse posted:DB first, he's not doing anything ##vote DB He's not doing anything cause he's dead 
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May 25, 2017 18:33
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I believe Slam, wanting to kill Krell sounds legit ##vote Stickup
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May 25, 2017 18:35
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Slamburger posted:He's not doing anything cause he's dead That makes sense I guess, I'll keep my eye out on him though ##vote pink
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May 25, 2017 18:36
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Kashuno posted:Because it's a free kill and we already killed a scum today. General mafia math is 3 Town is roughly 1 Scum. Since we have killed one scum already today, we could afford a loss of a townie if RF is town. It's basic game math Do you have any reason to think RF is scum? If so, ok; otherwise it's just a blind vote because it's a free kill, and the odds of randomly hitting scum are now even lower because we have already successfully lynched one scum. I don't understand this "basic game math."
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May 25, 2017 18:38
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Your Personal Muse posted:DB first, he's not doing anything ##vote DB lol tpink posted:Do you have any reason to think RF is scum? If so, ok; otherwise it's just a blind vote because it's a free kill, and the odds of randomly hitting scum are now even lower because we have already successfully lynched one scum. I don't understand this "basic game math." It's a blind pick, because 1 scum is worth the death of 3 town. If RF is town, we aren't at a negative.
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May 25, 2017 18:42
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Also with me thinking tpink scum and tpink hard defending rf I mean...why not do it?
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May 25, 2017 18:42
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Kashuno posted:Also with me thinking tpink scum and tpink hard defending rf I mean...why not do it? the case on Stickup is better. Way better.
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May 25, 2017 18:43
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Bifauxnen posted:the case on Stickup is better. Way better. I'd be okay but I need to kill RF first.
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May 25, 2017 18:44
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Kashuno posted:Also with me thinking tpink scum and tpink hard defending rf I mean...why not do it? With you and other people apparently already thinking I am scum for reasons??, I would have to be really loving dumb to defend RF if he were a scumbro.
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May 25, 2017 18:46
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That's not tru~ Most people don't seem to be ready to kill RF or you
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May 25, 2017 18:48
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tpink posted:Are you serious? This was literally the only thing you posted all day yesterday: I mean yesterday as in D2 not Wednesday
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May 25, 2017 18:57
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The other thing is that SSV's post that "now" he is VT suggested that losing his mason partner destroyed their power role:Flying Leatherman posted:DickBastardly, Strawberry, Town Tracker Mason, died Night 2 SirSamVimes posted:Guess I'm just vanilla now. So if this is true, a mislynch not only risks killing a town, but also destroying a potential power role for the surviving mason. Another reason why I am hesitant to just kill RF just because we can and even though no one seems to have reason to think he's actually scum.
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May 25, 2017 18:58
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He's saying he's not a mason anymore.
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May 25, 2017 18:59
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Kashuno posted:He's saying he's not a mason anymore. Is he though? He hasn't contradicted people posting their interpretation that he can no longer track people. I suppose it could be a feint to leave the scum unsure of whether they need to NK him or not, but since he outed himself without prompting in the first place, that's hardly a great strategy.
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May 25, 2017 19:06
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Slamburger posted:Is he though? He hasn't contradicted people posting their interpretation that he can no longer track people. I suppose it could be a feint to leave the scum unsure of whether they need to NK him or not, but since he outed himself without prompting in the first place, that's hardly a great strategy. SSV also still got the tracker results even when DB was dead so seems like they did have some kind of wonder twin thing going on
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May 25, 2017 19:10
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Kashuno posted:He's saying he's not a mason anymore. That's not how I read it, given this post: SirSamVimes posted:Uh, I knew he was a tracker from the game's beginning. We had to mutually agree on track targets. If I was deliberately taking out the tracker, it could have been done N1 Basically, SSV said he and DB had to mutually agree on track targets (at least implying a shared tracker role), then after DB died, SSV said he's vanilla now.
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May 25, 2017 19:11
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Bifauxnen posted:SSV also still got the tracker results even when DB was dead so seems like they did have some kind of wonder twin thing going on And yeah, that too.
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May 25, 2017 19:12
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since we had 2 kills in one night I believe that there should be a town vig in addition to the standard scum NK. Or it could've been an SK in addition to the scum, but the fact that Flam flipped as explicitly scum and "vigilante mason" suggests otherwise. I strongly believe Slam is town and that scum bothering to talk him out of shooting Stickup is an awesome lead.
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May 25, 2017 19:19
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I do kind of buy that. Slam being scum makes no sense here unless alignments were done after everything else, which is possible but not super likely. Also stick is my mason and we've barely spoken, so I don't have much info on that end.
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May 25, 2017 20:32
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Since my mason power did not expire with Flam's death but SSV is claiming his did, I do have another theory: The pair mechanics are designed in such a way that for town+scum mason pairings, the power is lost when the town member dies, but not when the scum member dies. This would prevent scum from just killing off their partners for exclusive use of the power. In a sense, they would have a town "chaperone" that they would have to convince or deceive in order to use the power in ways that are scum-beneficial. It would follow that scum were aware of this condition but town were not, which would imply that SSV may be scum and blundered (if not outright slipped) by admitting his power went away. I realize that this is a lot of setup speculation so I'm not going to put much weight into it yet but I wanted to share the idea. If the idea is wrong, its certainly possible that the expectation of two kills a night is central enough to game-balance considerations to have the vig-expiration behave differently from the tracker-expiration.
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May 25, 2017 21:25
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I'm actually feeling a little better about SSV now. I don't think he'd be as likely to volunteer that info he did if he was scum.
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May 25, 2017 22:23
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Yeah I don't get the SSV angle. I think it was a poor push from the start
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May 25, 2017 22:24
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Also the choice of DB makes a bit more sense if Flam was just desperate to get your attention off Sticks without looking too suss himself. "Let's play it safe and just shoot a lurker" is a nice innocent strategy for a mandatory town vig.
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May 25, 2017 22:26
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I could get behind stickup. However, I would like to kill RF especially since I am curious about tpink
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May 25, 2017 22:27
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Kashuno posted:However, I would like to kill RF especially since I am curious about tpink I don't see how this logically follows
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May 25, 2017 22:35
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Bifauxnen posted:I don't see how this logically follows Tpink puttin out hArd defense of RF lynch
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May 25, 2017 22:47
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Kashuno posted:Tpink puttin out hArd defense of RF lynch I didn't want to lynch RF either once he actually showed up, and hell, I'm one of the peeps he was casing, why are you focusing on just tpink framing it up as a "hard defense"?
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May 25, 2017 22:49
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Kashuno posted:Tpink puttin out hArd defense of RF lynch Yeah well that's just because tpink isn't a complete moron, kashuno
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May 25, 2017 22:52
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See this RF dude's alright
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May 25, 2017 22:52
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Slamburger posted:Since my mason power did not expire with Flam's death but SSV is claiming his did, I do have another theory: My PM says that if any part of the masonry dies, the power is deactivated. I mean I suppose the mod could have been lying to me, but I doubt that. Maybe it just works differently for this because vigging is a power that can backfire on town, but tracking is completely pro-town?
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May 25, 2017 23:00
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Kashuno posted:Tpink puttin out hArd defense of RF lynch I was pointing out that you and Infi were pushing for RF to get lynched because he's a free kill due to low posting, but: (1) he has now come back to post again; and (2) given what SSV said, there's risk in lynching someone at random (which is basically what you are suggesting) beyond just lynching a town player, as we are potentially also loving up a power role.
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May 25, 2017 23:03
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Retro Futurist posted:Yeah well that's just because tpink isn't a complete moron, kashuno Wow that's no way to speak of Infinitum dude
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May 25, 2017 23:12
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Please free-dunk RF if he doesn't full claim, so we can dunk tpink afterwards
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May 25, 2017 23:32
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Actually I'm pretty sure Kash is scum in my masondoc because I legit do not have any ability listed other than just being masonpals
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