|
Xander B Coolridge posted:This is simultaneously one of the funniest episodes yet, and the one that I had to stop watching out of frustration. Russ is so terrible at this game. is Russ still the cameraman, because I almost couldn't get through last week's
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 18:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 28, 2024 04:44 |
|
|
DoctorWhat posted:oh yes, people with anxiety are never worth talking or listening to and can never have a valid point  it's a joke and is centered among one specific responder who is claiming it's not diverse enough and that green taakos are racist and black merle is bad because he's a deadbeat dad and at some point you just become somebody who is looking to be sad about everything and actually should be ignored on a 'grand scheme of reponses' level, not individually The anxiety part was a lovely comment though, I def didn't mean anything like that and I'm sorry.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 18:58
|
|
|
it's SO EASY to get into the mindset that all complaints are bad-faith bullshit - it means you don't have to think too hard about rough stuff! - but giving into that impulse can harden your heart and make you a less caring, less kind person. It's what MAGA CHUDs and other shitheads do all the time and it's an impulse that needs to be resisted.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:01
|
|
|
I do think it's not a great look when you say you're going to re-evaluate the racial representation of your main characters, and then part of your solution is to turn one of them blue. I don't think blue Taako is a bad or racist idea in itself, but in the context of what they promised fans they were doing with the character designs, it's a bit of a faceplant. Black Merle seems fine to me, though.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:02
|
|
|
Surely having your dark-skinned character named Taako is a sucky option too? I wonder just how much they wished they'd just called him goddamn Jeff at this point.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:21
|
|
|
Kenny Logins posted:The fact that something is not high concept is not an indicator of a lack of quality, any more than something being high concept is any indication as to whether it's good. I don't really know what you mean by 'high concept' here. I wouldn't watch a movie or a TV show that I had no idea what it was aside from "people talk about things". Is mbmbam high concept? Is cool games Inc high concept? I just like podcasts with some kind of uniting framework like "we give advice" or "we talk about action/sci-fi movies" rather than "some people have a conversation".
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:24
|
|
|
dmboogie posted:is Russ still the cameraman, because I almost couldn't get through last week's Naw, it's Pat. Russ just got d/c after accidentally throwing a grenade at Griffin.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:29
|
|
|
Kojiro posted:I wonder just how much they wished they'd just called him goddamn Jeff at this point. Or that they hadn't suggested doing a graphic novel of TAZ. No depiction of them could possibly satisfy everyone. e: Unless maybe they just drew the characters to look like J/T/C in cosplay or something.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:29
|
|
|
SpacePig posted:Or that they hadn't suggested doing a graphic novel of TAZ. No depiction of them could possibly satisfy everyone. Despite some of their lovely fans, I'm sure it brings the McElroys joy to see their characters/ideas put into graphic novel form. I hope they're able to enjoy it for what it is! I know I will, it looks great!
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:31
|
|
|
SpacePig posted:Or that they hadn't suggested doing a graphic novel of TAZ. No depiction of them could possibly satisfy everyone.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:34
|
|
|
SpacePig posted:Or that they hadn't suggested doing a graphic novel of TAZ. No depiction of them could possibly satisfy everyone. I don't think "we can't satisfy everyone so we just won't do it at all" is the right attitude either. I think their attitude of "we can't please everyone but we'll do our best to do the things we want to do the right way" is the best possible approach, even if it makes some people unhappy.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:41
|
|
|
purple death ray posted:I don't really know what you mean by 'high concept' here. I wouldn't watch a movie or a TV show that I had no idea what it was aside from "people talk about things". I find this to be particularly true of podcasts these days. All the stuff I really and truly like is based on trying it for at least a few eps but often closer to several; I've never had a single ep of anything sell me on it. It's a problem that links to ads too. Podcasts are a hard sell.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 19:53
|
|
|
Supercar Gautier posted:I do think it's not a great look when you say you're going to re-evaluate the racial representation of your main characters, and then part of your solution is to turn one of them blue. I don't think blue Taako is a bad or racist idea in itself, but in the context of what they promised fans they were doing with the character designs, it's a bit of a faceplant. Actually if you read the Twitter comments, it's ~PROBLEMATIC~ that the deadbeat dad character is black.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 20:02
|
|
|
Stroop There It Is posted:No, then people would be complaining about all of them being white. Yeah, but the people they're depicting are also white. You could also still just change their skin colors. Colonel Whitey posted:I don't think "we can't satisfy everyone so we just won't do it at all" is the right attitude either. I think their attitude of "we can't please everyone but we'll do our best to do the things we want to do the right way" is the best possible approach, even if it makes some people unhappy. I agree, honestly, but I also think that's what they're doing. The first draft had them all as white guys, and people understandably complained. So they changed Taako's skin color, nominally, but he's an elf, so there's not a whole lot you can do with that. And the updated Merle does have some stouter/wider facial features, but I'm not sure. But it's 3 characters, there's only so much representation you can get from them. Once Carrie and Killian and all of them start showing up, I'm sure we'll get way broader representation. Hell, the popular depiction of Angus these days is a black kid, which the GN will probably go with, which is cool. But I'm a white guy, so I honestly can't speak to what it must feel like to not get representation by major actors in basically all media. I think my biggest confusion is that green-skinned elf=antisemitism. That baffles me, but I'm also not Jewish. e: I have seen a decent number of animations that show Taako as way more effeminate and more stereotypically gay, I guess, so that might also be an issue people are having. SpacePig fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jun 1, 2017 |
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 20:10
|
|
|
Yeah, I had literally never encountered the green elf = code for Jewish before. At this point they are reviving and spreading forms of racism that actual racists stopped using a million years ago
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 20:15
|
|
|
purple death ray posted:Yeah, I had literally never encountered the green elf = code for Jewish before. At this point they are reviving and spreading forms of racism that actual racists stopped using a million years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFj5lFZCNdQ
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 20:17
|
|
|
Boy just when Awful Squad was starting to get a bit dull they introduce Mom Simone and make it gold
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 20:21
|
|
|
The audience applauds hornily.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 20:54
|
|
|
Mr E posted:The audience applauds hornily.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 20:57
|
|
|
purple death ray posted:Yeah, I had literally never encountered the green elf = code for Jewish before. At this point they are reviving and spreading forms of racism that actual racists stopped using a million years ago I saw somebody mention that Taako was coded as latinx and Jewish. So maybe they mean anti-Semitic in that Taako is drawn Jewish? It's still dumb, but a different, perhaps lesser kind of dumb.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:01
|
|
|
Twitter was a mistake.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:02
|
|
|
is this seriously gonna go right from 'hey guys controversial opinion but don't ads suck' to 'hey guys like three twitter eggs said this was bad boy howdy those people am I right',
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:06
|
|
|
Who What Now posted:I saw somebody mention that Taako was coded as latinx and Jewish. So maybe they mean anti-Semitic in that Taako is drawn Jewish? It's still dumb, but a different, perhaps lesser kind of dumb. Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "coded"? Does it mean that's what people interpreted him as? Because I understand getting Latino from the name Taako, but I don't understand where people might be getting Jewish from.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:09
|
|
|
sexpig by night posted:is this seriously gonna go right from 'hey guys controversial opinion but don't ads suck' to 'hey guys like three twitter eggs said this was bad boy howdy those people am I right', You clearly didn't read the Twitter thread.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:09
|
|
|
I didn't like this TAZ as much as the last one, but it was okay. Usually when non-comedy things happen, it's for the sake of drama, but this one was cute and sweet. I'm glad we got confirmation of the fact that the SB crew have grown much closer over the years, since so far we've only recieved glimpses of a few relationships. Graphic novel also looks good.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:15
|
|
|
Pretty hosed up that the DM is yet another white guy imho
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:27
|
|
|
SpacePig posted:Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "coded"? Does it mean that's what people interpreted him as? Because I understand getting Latino from the name Taako, but I don't understand where people might be getting Jewish from. Yes, "coded" is another way to say that a character is portrayed a certain way, usually by the way they act and talk as opposed to how they look. Like a male character that acts effeminate and makes a lot of puns about dicks can be considered to be coded gay. Moriarty in BBC's Sherlock is coded gay, for example. As for where the Jewish thing comes from? Uhhh... Taako said "bubalah" once?
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:31
|
|
|
ALFbrot posted:Pretty hosed up that the DM is yet another white guy imho Personally, I think the McElroy brothers just aren't diverse enough, they should get rid of Travis and bring in a PoC.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:46
|
|
|
He has nails of color, is that good enough?
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:51
|
|
|
Ojjeorago posted:He has nails of color, is that good enough? They're probably racist colors.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 21:57
|
|
|
The sad thing about the TAZ fandom being crazy racist is that it's starting to spread to other McElroy Cinematic Universe products. Someone on the Rose Buddies page wanted Griffin to stop saying boy because there was a black person.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:02
|
|
|
Someone mentioned interest upthread a bit in maybe a general Polygon video thread? I'm also very interested in somewhere to talk about the good stuff without this TAZ nonsense
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:03
|
|
|
Fandoms are the literal worst. Taako is an inhuman colour on the official artwork they've had since ep1, him being fully green or blue isn't a stretch. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:08
|
|
|
CainsDescendant posted:Someone mentioned interest upthread a bit in maybe a general Polygon video thread? I'm also very interested in somewhere to talk about the good stuff without this TAZ nonsense if you make a dedicated polygon thread anywhere it will be absolutely swarmed with people hating on the site and you will quickly regret it, even to this day I sometimes get 'lol gently caress polygon and all the hacks on the site, didn't you see that Doom video' when i recommend watching stuff like car boys/touch the skyrim
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:09
|
|
|
flatluigi posted:if you make a dedicated polygon thread anywhere it will be absolutely swarmed with people hating on the site and you will quickly regret it, even to this day I sometimes get 'lol gently caress polygon and all the hacks on the site, didn't you see that Doom video' when i recommend watching stuff like car boys/touch the skyrim Maybe clear thread rules could be made that would keep that at a minimum? I would hope mods would enforce thread-specific rules against threadshitting.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:10
|
|
|
Ojjeorago posted:The sad thing about the TAZ fandom being crazy racist is that it's starting to spread to other McElroy Cinematic Universe products. Someone on the Rose Buddies page wanted Griffin to stop saying boy because there was a black person. Yeah, it always feels like there's this group of people on the internet looking up the most esoteric, ancient, no-longer-used forms of racism throughout history who then use that knowledge to accuse almost anything of being racist, to the point where now people are accusing blue-skinned elf Taako as offensive to Jews, and Griffin of being racist because he says the word "boy" all the time. I think the shittiest thing it does is de-legitimize actual accusations of racism. It makes it hard enough to describe people or characters in any medium, especially for the McElroys who are trying really really hard not to offend anyone, and whose fans seem to live off of this stuff.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:14
|
|
|
Who What Now posted:As for where the Jewish thing comes from? Uhhh... Taako said "bubalah" once?
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:16
|
|
|
My opinion is that if green elves were really as prominent an anti-semitic symbol as this person says, we'd have seen a whole loving lot of them during 2016.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:16
|
|
|
Scudworth posted:Fandoms are the literal worst. He looks pale. That's not exactly inhuman.
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 28, 2024 04:44 |
|
|
What's up with the head sillouette in the background above Merle?
|
|
#
?
Jun 1, 2017 22:36
|
|