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I am fine with the Atlas being an insanely armored behemoth. It's very fitting for it and makes it a real terror. It's not like they're gonna make it easy for you to field one.
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Skoll posted:I am fine with the Atlas being an insanely armored behemoth. It's very fitting for it and makes it a real terror. It's not like they're gonna make it easy for you to field one. You get one for pre ordering.
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Cyrano4747 posted:You get one for pre ordering. I thought that was a paintjob for some reason. But if it starts out in your hangar, then the rest of Skoll's post still fits unless it comes with a preorder deployment discount 
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Cyrano4747 posted:You get one for pre ordering. You get a paintjob and loadout, I don't recall seeing naywhere that they just gift you a free Atlas in the campaign, that would be retarded. Also, the Atlas' job is to be the armored brick and king of the battlefield.
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Battle report: 4 Hunchback 4P will wreck the poo poo out of everything in front of them.
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Cyrano4747 posted:You get one for pre ordering. Theres still the maintenance costs from singleplayer and the MV limit in skirmish limiting their use. Even at 25mv I dont think you can run two of them.
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quote:* A BACKER-ONLY VARIANT of the Atlas Assault 'Mech with an exclusive model and paint job. You don't get one for free, just access to the backer-only variant.
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chutche2 posted:I agree that knockdowns should be less frequent but more impactful. They don't even do damage to the mech other than a pilot hit. Standing up gives the enemy an accuracy penalty, knockdowns are pretty good.
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Rocketpriest posted:Centurions are the nice middle of the road okay at everything mechs they're supposed to be, and the Orion is Most of an Atlas, but you can bring two and a pair of Hunchbacks instead of just the one big skull man. This is exactly what I'm doing at the moment and it's pretty good. Hunchbacks are great for mauling poo poo and distracting enough so the Orions can do their thing relatively unmolested. The Orions in this setup are amazing with the multi-target pilots, who are the highest gunnery pilots as well. For the AI I split my Hunchbacks and Orions so they go after the hunchbacks who maul their front while the Orions snipe their backs with AC10s. e; just throwing it out there, but does anyone here think lights (and lights only) should be able to attack, then move? Just a choice between move->attack and attack->move. School Nickname fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Jun 3, 2017 01:32
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I am loving Jenners. In the 2 matches I took one I was able to flank and take out mechs from behind. Just gotta dance around and harvest that sweet, sweet butt meat.
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School Nickname posted:This is exactly what I'm doing at the moment and it's pretty good. Hunchbacks are great for mauling poo poo and distracting enough so the Orions can do their thing relatively unmolested. The Orions in this setup are amazing with the multi-target pilots, who are the highest gunnery pilots as well. For the AI I split my Hunchbacks and Orions so they go after the hunchbacks who maul their front while the Orions snipe their backs with AC10s. Yeah, lights really need something to set them apart. Maybe move-attack-move, with reduced movement per gap, or maybe the option attack/move or move/attack. Right now I really don't see the benefit of them going early that much. Maybe limit certain skills to certain chassis? For example maybe Evade can only go on light/medium mechs, while Bulwark only goes on heavy/assault. Right now it seems like the only reason to take a light is because you can't afford something better. Maybe dramatically improve the hit penalties for moving?
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Yeah in the Shadowrun games I was a little peeved at HBS to-hit probabilities but in Battletech it's annoying as gently caress. Anything less than 95% won't hit 90% of the time. And even at 95% it'll miss 25% of the time. And I know for a fact they don't have evasion.  Maybe I'm just a supremely unlucky motherfucker.e; What famous Battletech battle would go well with the Burnt Ivory King track. Been playing this in most of my skirmishes so far. e2; Anyone here get a multiplayer-related survey? 
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Jun 3, 2017 02:08
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My Battlemaster one shot a Orion by punching it in the face, it was then headshot by a Urbanmech killing the pilot as the next action. 10/10 GOTY
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School Nickname posted:This is exactly what I'm doing at the moment and it's pretty good. Hunchbacks are great for mauling poo poo and distracting enough so the Orions can do their thing relatively unmolested. The Orions in this setup are amazing with the multi-target pilots, who are the highest gunnery pilots as well. For the AI I split my Hunchbacks and Orions so they go after the hunchbacks who maul their front while the Orions snipe their backs with AC10s. This is a super fun build (Even if I’m not really using the multishot much), though it’s a shame that the “Two mediums, two heavies. Zero assaults” combo takes up every shred of budget at the max limit. Hell, you can’t even do three Hunchbacks and one Orion without it being at max value. I know the Orion is the heaviest heavy on roster right now, so you can go 3 Hunch and one of the other Heavies for "Battle" size. But it’s still a bit awkward when “I downgraded one of my Heavies into a 25 ton lighter medium” still isn’t enough of a cut to play at the second tier. I wonder how stringent the campaign will be towards wanting to field x3 bog standard mediums, plus one good heavy as your lance of choice? Even if I keep any and all assaults permanently mothballed to save cash. As for shoot and scoot for lights, I’d love the concept for single player, but it could end up being a real pain in the rear end from a Multiplayer perspective. Unrelated: Knockdowns vs Assaults in close fights… Doesn’t seem to make much of a difference. Sure they get shaken up and rack up injuries by the knockdown. But due to going last that means you knock them down with your heavy, the get back up, waddle over with their remaining movement and unload an alpha strike on you. Which meant a comedy brawl where my pair of Orions would knock down an AI atlas, then he’d get up and maul one of my Orions further. Repeat while we can’t flank behind him lest their hanging back mech shoot OUR back. With the finish being the 3rd(4th?) knockdown at a point, I finally had at least one mech with a turn left to blow the left side of their body off with an alpha strike that put me a pixel under shutdown (So of course it was a hunchback headshotting his standing armless body that killed them )A Hunch may not run around as fast, but drat is it much more satisfying to have your  sensor mech be something more hefty once it’s down to a hosed up brawl of errors, and your banged up squad starts hunting down the remaining pristine condition enemy Orion. A pair of dented Hunchbacks can screen a lot more while your letting your heavies cool off from constantly firing as many guns as possible.My first match with zero deaths ended with the enemy orion seemingly out of ammo and trying to punch everything to death. So we responded in kind  Shitload of injuries from RNG headshots though. Early initiative order doesn't seem to do any favors for enemy lights. If they get to move up and shoot me first, that means I get to respond in kind with bigger mechs and very likely no penalties to my attacks by way of either Sensor locks or Precise shot. Note to self, use multishot more often to work on trying to finish off maimed lights while still focusing 90% of my firepower on enemies that matter.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Yeah, lights really need something to set them apart. I just tried to use a light to extend out on the side with a sprint and come in behind the enemy lance and it worked beautifully. Little baby Commando got two CT killshots with its SRMs and laser. 20M lance engagement so it wasn't nothing. Didn't even have to spam sensor lock behind a hill. It's hard to always take advantage of, perhaps, but that move distance they can cover is really, really nice. School Nickname posted:Maybe I'm just a supremely unlucky motherfucker. I can almost guarantee you the problem is your brain trying to do pattern recognition on an inherently patternless RNG output. It's literally how humans are wired to work and totally alien to how RNGs produce output.
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Psion posted:With the caveat that I'm only "pretty sure" how this works ... no. If I'm right, sensor lock is best on lights because of the initiative system. Sensor lock lasts for the entire round and if you put it on your Atlas, which goes last, you get no benefit from the sensor lock because it expires immediately. And double no, because then the Atlas can't shoot that turn, which is a huge loss compared to a Commando or Locust or similar holding fire. Not really, you can reserve more than just lights. So reserve the trebs, move the atlas up, launch missiles and now you have a mech that will survive the spotting. Also no, real scouts will sit in overwatch positions and call in strikes until the fights over, then move up to the next. Zaodai posted:Basically all of this. Not even a little bit? I want to be able to run my commando up 500m or so and just designate targets for my missile boats. Right now if I did that my commando would get spotted and insta hosed by the AI since he's the closest target. The only way I can make a light work is if I keep them BEHIND my lines and spot with them, which doesn't make sense. I'm not trying to get them into brawling range, I'm trying to keep them FROM fighting. JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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How is the open beta? If I'm a jumpy gorilla with no impulse control should I get a steam code for it now? When does the full game come out?
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Never mind this. I'll ask isildur first.
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Psion posted:I can almost guarantee you the problem is your brain trying to do pattern recognition on an inherently patternless RNG output. It's literally how humans are wired to work and totally alien to how RNGs produce output. You can't fool me I've played all the Shadowrun games, anything less than 95% probability is done a d4 or higher dice, depending on the bracket. 
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EDIT- ... Dammit, I thought this was a new video. gently caress it, have some Duncan Fisher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_Kv6qFM0g Tried doing BabbyBowl. All Commando all the time. They die so drat fast.
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PoptartsNinja posted:Standing up gives the enemy an accuracy penalty, knockdowns are pretty good. You also get to make called shots. I've taken more than one mech from nearly pristine to dead in the span of a few Missiles and a called head shot.
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JacksLibido posted:Not even a little bit? I want to be able to run my commando up 500m or so and just designate targets for my missile boats. Right now if I did that my commando would get spotted and insta hosed by the AI since he's the closest target. The only way I can make a light work is if I keep them BEHIND my lines and spot with them, which doesn't make sense. I'm not trying to get them into brawling range, I'm trying to keep them FROM fighting. In my experience, this has not been true at all. Don't know what to tell you.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:How is the open beta? If I'm a jumpy gorilla with no impulse control should I get a steam code for it now? When does the full game come out? I dont have it, but from reading this thread: Its pretty drat good, but its still just (good and fun) skirmishes against the AI. Multiplayer should be along soon. People have reported getting 4-5 hours of fun out of it, and noone has said they are bored and putting it away. They are also soliciting a lot of feedback by surveys after each game. Probably worth it if you want to join the conversation and have very poor impulse control, I'm waiting because I have too many unplayed games already.
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Several games in and I still have no idea what the "inspire" button does.School Nickname posted:You can't fool me I've played all the Shadowrun games, anything less than 95% probability is done a d4 or higher dice, depending on the bracket. The hit probability in this game is drat lies. It doesnt seem to include things like the enemies cover, movement, or evasion from sprinting or skills.
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Great Beer posted:Several games in and I still have no idea what the "inspire" button does. That's a good point, the UI should really really factor in the 50% dodge from Evasive in to your to hit percentages. It definitely includes the other stuff like movement and so on though.
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Great Beer posted:Several games in and I still have no idea what the "inspire" button does. Per the manual: Morale is the blue bar to the left of your team's status. When it's full, you can make one mech Inspired, which is 'When attacking, this unit ignores COVER, GUARDED, and EVASIVE, and all attacks gain a 95% chance to hit, except for long-range weapons that are inside their minimum range band.' Every time anyone uses Inspired, the bar fills faster for both people from then on, presumably to help end deadlocks.
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^^^^^ this. the mechanic was something I suggested because I really liked the Escalation Die in 13th Age. So it makes fights end. 1) the dice rolls are legit, but humans are bad at judging probabilities. I've proposed a thing that tweaks your expectations over time, and that might help, but we'll see if anyone thinks it's worth it. 2) that said, evasion is a second roll, a straight up miss chance, so... don't shoot at evading dudes ok? 3) multiplayer in the survey is because we made the survey before we decided MP wasn't stable enough to ship. 4) inspiration: the inspired dude has 95% to hit no matter what, with everything. put a guy on the ground, inspire your Hunchback, obliterate guy. 5) i'm so loving tired right now
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Sooooo I did a thing: .jsons are fun!
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Kraven Moorhed posted:.jsons are fun! (turn on the firestarter and you can see how loving op it is) Color is because I wanted to be sure we wouldn't forget which mech art was placeholder. vvvvvvvv
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Kraven Moorhed posted:Sooooo I did a thing: Purple Atlas Stalker! Is that color some kind of error, or intentionally that you could select the color?
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Zaodai posted:Purple Atlas Stalker! Is that color some kind of error, or intentionally that you could select the color? I think it's related to the "impostor material" listing? Though I'd have chosen nuclear purple regardless.
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JacksLibido posted:Not really, you can reserve more than just lights. So reserve the trebs, move the atlas up, launch missiles and now you have a mech that will survive the spotting. mmmm let's go with, respectfully, this isn't universally true, it's irrelevant to a game about giant stompy robots, and as such isn't really a compelling argument even if it were universally, 100% correct IRL because of that. Play BT how it plays, not how you want it to play based on a comparison that doesn't really apply. Also, Atlas + 2 Trebuchets is a stupid weight of metal out of a cap so I still argue putting sensor lock on an Atlas, while it may work with your reserve idea, is a huge waste of your units. I've literally had the problems you're having keeping scouts alive and sensorlocking once, and then I learned to play smarter. Keep the light behind cover and keep enemy attention fixed on my heavies, keep the light wide and ...keep enemy attention fixed on my heavies... and then my lights end up backshotting mediums and heavies  Specifically, JacksLibido posted:I want to be able to run my commando up 500m or so and just designate targets for my missile boats. Right now if I did that my commando would get spotted and insta hosed by the AI since he's the closest target. The only way I can make a light work is if I keep them BEHIND my lines and spot with them, which doesn't make sense. You have a huge sensor range, you don't need to be that close, you flank and get them from the sides and they won't turn to engage if they have a better target forward, like a blocker medium/heavy giving the AI a reason to push up instead of a reason to find and murder your scout. Maybe the problem is how you play is incompatible with how BT works? Flank them 24/7 with that movement bonus. Flank wide because you can do so without losing target designation capability. tl;dr you can be further out than you think, try that, abandon this idea that you need to be "in between" two forces which routinely close to literally melee range Psion fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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In every game I play, my scout is the one mech that is almost undamaged by the end of the fight, even if it's a locust.
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The problems you're going to have are trying to play lights like you would in TT, basically. In 3025 with average IS pilots (so gunnery 4, no pulse or LBX), you can run a Jenner or Spider around at medium range forever and make sure that anything that wants to shoot it needs at least an 11. Maybe 9 if they stand still. 11s give you really lovely chances to hit, only 8-9%, which is far far lower than anything shooting at a light running around in medium range will have in this game. That's fine, it just means you have to make sure and use initiative to not get shot, or to be evading + in cover when you do.
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Prism posted:Per the manual: Theres a manual? 
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isildur posted:1) the dice rolls are legit, but humans are bad at judging probabilities. I've proposed a thing that tweaks your expectations over time, and that might help, but we'll see if anyone thinks it's worth it. I don't think it will work since there are negative modifiers whenever a target has moved. Also, yeah include factors such as cover in the to-hit probability since that's the most obvious explanation. Explains a huge amount of Shadowrun. "But Duncan was supposed to miss 4-5/6 of his 99% shots in two turns because maths." School Nickname fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Great Beer posted:Theres a manual?  someone didn't read the email
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isildur posted:(turn on the firestarter and you can see how loving op it is) Four flamers and two machine guns, all of which you can use as part of a melee attack? This is a terrifying metal baby.
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Evasive isn't a to hit malus, it's a chance for the targeted 'mech to Dodge the shots.
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I think the hit and evade numbers are two separate rolls, which is why they don't show. Like, firing at an evasive mech you've got say 90% to hit, but they dodge 50% of the hits. If you miss it says miss too, dodge and miss show separately, so you can tell which thing is loving you up. Just as an FYI, making a melee attack disables evasion on the target for the rest of the turn. It's a good alternative to sensor locking if you have something tough to get in there and punch with. I think it also breaks Guarded, but I might be wrong there. I'm finding the Awesome with PPCs is actually better than I thought. Paired with the Orion (which tanks as well as an assault) to give LOS, it punches holes really well. Nothing likes taking 150 damage in big chunks from too far away to engage. Trebs are great for their cost with the crazy missile knockdowns, but they are really fragile.
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