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Toplowtech posted:They turned the god of really master-crafted sublime ingenious creations into a mass producer of guns and ammo. No loving savoir vivre. More than that. Vulcan's a smith. You exult in Vulcan when you create something. Could be a sword, could be a hammer, could be a spatula. He's a creative force, pulling fire and metal from the earth and turning it into something useful and durable. Vulcan the arms maker changes that entirely: "Every bullet fired in a school in a prayer to me." It's no longer creative, it's destructive. It's not just that it's changed from individual acts of creation to mass production, it's that he's now found in the pointless destruction of useful things, and not the purposeful creation.
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COOL CORN posted:Interesting that this episode ended with the god Allah. I wonder if and how that's going to be handled? Or will the Djinn be the only Islamic deity-thing we see? Seeing as Allah can't be depicted, surely He doesn't have a corporeal form.
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COOL CORN posted:Interesting that this episode ended with the god Allah. I wonder if and how that's going to be handled? Or will the Djinn be the only Islamic deity-thing we see? The existence of the various Jesuses did make me wonder about Allah, Christian God, my own YHWH, Muhammed and so on. Although I expect none of those will actually make an appearance. Jesus is pop culture enough to be fair game whereas going further into current large religions is hard to do without coming off as, at best, condescending.
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COOL CORN posted:Interesting that this episode ended with the god Allah. I wonder if and how that's going to be handled? Or will the Djinn be the only Islamic deity-thing we see? I'd say that the trinitarian Christian trinity-God, the nontrinitarian Christian God the Father, the Hebrew Lord YHWH, Islam's One God titled Allah, and Bahai's God are likely to be very closely related ultimate deities, with a presence that's still hard to see visibly even in the American Gods fictional universe. Jesus is there, though, so I'm keen to hear what he's going to say about our father who art in heaven.
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COOL CORN posted:Interesting that this episode ended with the god Allah. I wonder if and how that's going to be handled? Or will the Djinn be the only Islamic deity-thing we see? It would be kinda lovely to portray Muhammad, much less consider the complications of finding an actor to do so. But the transcendental nature of the Abrahmic God does raise questions. Maybe that belief is just sailing off into the void, since that god doesn't seem to be an interventionist like the more classical period figures. Or maybe that divinity keeps on working like it always has: making revelations to people that everyone else considers to be crazy. I'd also be curious to see how the show tackles the very extant gods of Hindu culture. Some people with physical maladies are identified as gods still, but should there also be four-armed and elephant-headed gods bopping around India while Wednesday does his thing in the states?
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Broadly speaking, beliefs that trace themselves back to Abraham have a unifying expectation that the ultimate God, omnipresent and omnipotent and omnibenevolent, will return to a condition where God dwells peacefully with the whole human race, most resurrected. A talented enough team of storytellers can play with this in a way that's both entertaining, insightful, and still respectful to the source material, which in this case is actual people's beliefs.
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I think maybe we can take that sunrise scene at the end to be the presence of Allah, or at least Allah as Salim views him. Peaceful, warm, full of possibility, etc
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vermin posted:Does Santa Claus exist? Asking for Zwarte Pete, too.
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vermin posted:Does Santa Claus exist? The parts of The Dresden Files that Butcher lifted from American Gods had a field day with this question.
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vermin posted:Does Santa Claus exist? Yeah, its Mr Wednesday.
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vermin posted:Does Santa Claus exist? If there are multiple Jesuses, I see no reason why Santa Claus can't be running around with Mr. Wednesday also out there (seeing as all the gifts in one night thing is a really watered-down version of the Wild Hunt where Odin would stop at various houses while the Hunt was about and leave presents wherever food and drinks were left out for his refreshment while on said hunt).
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I'll be very disappointed if we don't get to see all the tacky "gods" like Santa Claus. Also, where's Cupid drat it?
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precision posted:I'll be very disappointed if we don't get to see all the tacky "gods" like Santa Claus. Also, where's Cupid drat it? Sweeney's all the cupid I'll ever need.
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double nine posted:Sweeney's all the cupid I'll ever need. He's not my type physically, but otherwise  
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vermin posted:Does Santa Claus exist? Who's Santa Claus? This more book poo poo?
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Tigren posted:Who's Santa Claus? This more book poo poo? Some kind of small pastry?
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Sickening posted:Who is odin? This more book poo poo? I can't get enough of this post
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Capntastic posted:Please, again, I beg of thee, tell me where I can get the taxi driver's sweater, it is my only wish
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double nine posted:apparently Sweeney was at some point to be played by Sean Harris, and I just can't see it. Maybe I haven't seen the right Harris movies. Schreiber's Sweeney is best Sweeney. Well, maybe they agreed with you since he did leave the show? Although for a look of how he probably would have done it, Harris was the crazy tattooed guy in Prometheus.
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socilest butthomo posted:I actually saw your earlier post and went looking then. I found it last night. Here you are, friend. <3 My wish has been granted Thank you
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Caufman posted:Wednesday's retirement package would have been swankier than Vulcan's, though. You definitely cannot buy off the allfather with a rustbelt town empty of busty blonde babes with veiny mammories. It was a Zardoz approved town.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The existence of the various Jesuses did make me wonder about Allah, Christian God, my own YHWH, Muhammed and so on. Although I expect none of those will actually make an appearance. Jesus is pop culture enough to be fair game whereas going further into current large religions is hard to do without coming off as, at best, condescending. Yeah I think the same. Jesus is a human figure as much as divine, and he's EVERYWHERE, so having him be personified in American Gods makes sense, but I can't see them actually depicting Yahweh or Allah. Ganesha would be amazing. double nine posted:apparently Sweeney was at some point to be played by Sean Harris, and I just can't see it. Maybe I haven't seen the right Harris movies. Schreiber's Sweeney is best Sweeney. I like Harris but he's too serious for this role. Schreiber has just the right amount of angry and dark but at the same time goofy. I said it before and I'll say it again; Schreiber has been wasting his time working in drama. He belongs in slapstick comedy. Watching him get hurt is hilarious. Team him up with Jackie Chan or something. muscles like this! posted:Well, maybe they agreed with you since he did leave the show? Although for a look of how he probably would have done it, Harris was the crazy tattooed guy in Prometheus. He was also the crazy assassin Micholetto on The Borgias, where he got way more screen time than on Prometheus. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Soothing Vapors posted:I can't get enough of this post It could be the thread title if Sweeney wasn't so great.
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Was that Mark Lanegan singing "I Put a Spell On You"?
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Still sad that mexican jesus wasn't portrayed by Danny Trejo
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Maybe we'll fet Danny Trejo as Black Pedro... I don't know if this show is gonna have a Christmas special, but it should...
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Snak posted:Maybe we'll fet Danny Trejo as Black Pedro... Nah, if you want to go full mexican, he should be one of the Wise Men. The very very awkward one. 
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Caufman posted:Asking for Zwarte Pete, too. only if his entire appearance is screaming at the other gods about how he isn't a racist and then promptly dying
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He's powered by the Dutch mental resistance to accepting their role in the legacy of white supremacy.
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Desperado Bones posted:Nah, if you want to go full mexican, he should be one of the Wise Men. The very very awkward one. Is this more or less racist than white washing the wise men as all white dudes? 
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Definitely more. Especially considering Jesus is still white in most of those adaptions.
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Zaphod42 posted:Is this more or less racist than white washing the wise men as all white dudes? Well the caste the magi came from were typically on the lighter end of the scale, but presumably by the time of the Parthians this probably wasn't as much of factor.
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Didn't see this one until last night, great episode. Psych Dad did a great job. I want to go back to rewatch the "Mr. Wood" scene where Wednesday's pulling the root out of Shadow's gut. Did he tie that into Vulkan? It was something about the first thing that any human worshipped, seeing the trees all around them, then watching as his sanctuary burned to fuel the Industrial Revolution.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:If there are multiple Jesuses, I see no reason why Santa Claus can't be running around with Mr. Wednesday also out there (seeing as all the gifts in one night thing is a really watered-down version of the Wild Hunt where Odin would stop at various houses while the Hunt was about and leave presents wherever food and drinks were left out for his refreshment while on said hunt). Just to bring things full-circle, Ian McShane played a murderous Santa in season 2 of American Horror Story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IQi0wJTu_E
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Finally caught up and enjoying the hell out of this. McShane for me will always be Lovejoy, and his American accent in this is constantly slipping to my ears. He's a hell of a charmer though, and perfect Wednesday casting. I want to see more of Mr Nancy, and hope he shows up again soon. I've read the book, but it's been easily over ten years ago, and I can't honestly remember anything about it, so this is basically a whole new story.
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Swedgin! you bloody heathen.
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Ian McShane's greatest role will always be the combative stepdad from Hot Rod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUpzZ30FviE Guy Mann fucked around with this message at 10:33 on Jun 10, 2017 |
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