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Continue as planned. There are just too many variables, such as having to destroy or capture the convey and boarding the cruiser might be tricky. Special Branch maybe good but the cruiser will have a large crew. Then there is having to protect the steamer and cruiser while the operation takes place, the other navy ships might realise what is going on and fire on it rather than flee.. To succeed, everything will have to go perfectly, I don't think that is likely. Then again if we sufficiently damage the ship during the battle, the opportunity might arise.
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Jun 14, 2017 15:13
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Sad King Billy posted:Continue as planned. On the one hand, yeah, it's a risky op, with definite downsides and no guarantee of success. On the other, I voted to go with Special Branch anyway, and this seems like a good compromise way of having Martian Commandoes
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Jun 14, 2017 16:12
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Operational Adjustments Adjustment Hell No! This calls for us to ignore the Special Branch's request and to continue on with our original battle plan. Where we intercept the convoy somewhere past Swift Tuttle. Pros: Swift Tuttle Administration and other independents don't get angry with us. No need to hold our fire so less risk of damage/destruction to our vessels. Still allows us to claim the higher moral ground with Terra. Cons: Lose the chance at getting that sweet sweet IC data. No round of Space Beer from the Special Ops guys. Adjustment Hell Yeah! This calls for us to accept the Special Branch's request and to engage the convoy near Swift Tuttle. Pros: Chance to get that sweet Data. Free round of Space Beer from the Special Ops guys. Closer to Neptune so easier to call reinforcements/retreat when needed. Cons: Swift Tuttle Administration angered as well as other independents. Possible damage to colony and loss of civilian life depending on distance from colony. Closer to Saturn/Uranus making it easier for IC to send reinforcements if warning is sent. Higher risk of damage to our ships. Destruction of all enemy assets required. Lose chance to claim Higher moral ground with Terra. Adjustment Hell Maybe! This calls for us to possibly accept the Special Branch's request. We engage the convoy a middle distance between Swift Tuttle and Pluto. While our Task Force swings in and engages the convoy the SB approaches from the direction of Swift Tuttle possibly with some suupport to cut off their retreat. Pros: Chance again to get that Sweet Sweet Data. Maybe Free Space Beer round. Distance away from independent colony minimizes risk and blame to them. Still allows us to claim the higher moral ground with Terra. Cons: Approach of SB may alert the enemy. Higher risk of ship damage/destruction to us. Maybe No free Space Beer round. May alert the IC that we are using undercover vessels putting more of their type and civilian vessels at risk.
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Jun 14, 2017 16:24
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Sad King Billy posted:Continue as planned. We don't even want them to flee. "Nobody is allowed to send off a report".
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Jun 14, 2017 16:26
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Nuramor posted:We don't even want them to flee. "Nobody is allowed to send off a report". The more ships that are needed to support the capture of the cruiser, the more gaps could be left for convoy members to escape.
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Jun 14, 2017 17:10
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Sad King Billy posted:The more ships that are needed to support the capture of the cruiser, the more gaps could be left for convoy members to escape. Remember the non-combat convoy ships are going to be far too slow to escape anyway. Edit: Also if we do this we should probably try to have our attack vector come from an angle that puts us between their forces and Saturn/Jupiter so that any military ship that tries to run has to go through our around us. Pash fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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Jun 14, 2017 17:12
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Pash posted:Remember the non-combat convoy ships are going to be far too slow to escape anyway. We have 17 ships, they have 11 on paper. Yes that should be enough to cover any potential escapees but that does depend on how much damage our ships receive. Lose a few engines and pursuit will be more difficult. I'm being pessimistic I know but even needless concerns may raise other useful points.
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Jun 14, 2017 17:34
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Sad King Billy posted:We have 17 ships, they have 11 on paper. Yes that should be enough to cover any potential escapees but that does depend on how much damage our ships receive. Lose a few engines and pursuit will be more difficult. I'm just saying that the civilian ships even at max speed are probably not even getting near 50% of our military ships speeds, plus they are not armed. They likely have a few escorts we have not detected and those are the main things we would need to worry about.
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Jun 14, 2017 17:50
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Pash posted:I'm just saying that the civilian ships even at max speed are probably not even getting near 50% of our military ships speeds, plus they are not armed. They likely have a few escorts we have not detected and those are the main things we would need to worry about. That is what I'm worried about, what we don't know!
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Jun 14, 2017 18:33
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Politely Decline
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Jun 14, 2017 19:36
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As much fun as it would be, my vote would be to Decline. To me, this whole Pluto operation is more of a diplomatic stunt with Earth than anything else and I don't think we should jeopardize that.
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Jun 14, 2017 19:42
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Do not help. We can't afford to piss off S-T.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:02
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DO NOT HELP As nice as getting that data would be the greater strategic picture is far more important. Whatever there is on the IC data core is as nothing before what we stand to gain at Pluto. Anything that compromises our chance of success at Pluto, including the all important winning the Terran's trust is unconscionable. Plus if we stay friendly with the independents there'll probably be another opportunity to do something like this soon enough.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:44
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Yeah, as nice as it would be to score that cruiser data, could to formally decline. We can't afford to get distracted from Pluto.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:53
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Special Branch is the cool place to hang out. You can find most of the cool people there. In Special Branch you can just chill and do whatever and totally relax. "Take it easy" is the Special Branch motto, for example, that's how laid back it is there. Show up if you want to have a good time. Another good reason to show up is if you want to hang out with friends.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:28
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Forget Pluto, help out the tactiCOOL operators at SB.
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Jun 15, 2017 04:50
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Help them out Who knows where this may lead?
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Jun 15, 2017 04:55
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I guess I'll throw in for Helping them out
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Jun 15, 2017 04:59
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Don't Help There's already a surplus of intel to be had off of the prisoners taken/stuff salvaged from the last engagement. Tell this SB dude to go with the orders he already had while we concentrate on this Pluto convoy.
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Jun 15, 2017 05:08
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Decline Just not worth the risk.
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Jun 15, 2017 05:36
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As interesting as helping out the Special Branch sounds, we're going to have to decline. We have our mission, and deviating from it to such a degree is a risk I don't think we can afford to take.
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Jun 15, 2017 06:32
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The votes are in and we barely decline 9-8. Special branch understands operational realities but requests we engage the Cruiser within 500mkm of S-T to allow they to at least attempt to board and capture what information is possible. They will also take care of prisoner pickup and interrogation aboard the Ivanov. They also share their readings of the ships at S-T:  Looks like a Cruiser, Missile destroyer and two unknown ships of around corvette/frigate size. Saros fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Jun 15, 2017 12:15
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Saros posted:The votes are in and we barely decline 9-8. Future historians may well consider this a "what if" moment. I feel like we made the right choice.
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Jun 15, 2017 12:46
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Saros posted:The votes are in and we barely decline 9-8. Is 500 mKm close enough that it will piss off S-T?
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Jun 15, 2017 14:02
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Maybe, but a whole lot less than if we did it when they were docked on S-T.
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Jun 15, 2017 15:33
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Saros why do we need to engage the enemy so close to Swift Tuttle, why couldn't the SB come in after we engage the convoy and escorts and board the cruiser during or after the battle? Is it to retain their cover?
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Jun 15, 2017 16:17
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Like, maybe they could just follow us? Or not enough fuel?
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Jun 15, 2017 16:22
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Comrades I have drawn up a change in the battle plan following new information available to us. With the Sb shadowing the convoy we have the information advantage and that is why i present to you my modified second stage of Operation Pink Elephant. Battle Map:  Plan: With the speed advantage over the convoy and the information advantage thanks to the SB we can set the point where we choose to spring our ambush. Looking at the area around Pluto I noticed a rather large concentration of planetoids clustered together which is close to the route that the convoy will be taking to reach Pluto. As such the plan is thus we move ahead but angle of away from Pluto to hopefully make it appear like we do not have the planet set as our destination once we are away from Swift Tuttle we make a hard turn and travel to the location of the first yellow arrow. We then go to silent running or the closest we can get to it on all our vessels and rely on the SB to show us the location of the convoy. Once the convoy comes close enough to our position we go active and move in to engage the escorts with our military vessels while the carrier's fighters engages the convoy transports. While this is going on the other SB can move up from Swift Tuttle and begin jamming the enemy while burning for the enemy cruiser that we will disable. If the SB can not carry this out then we destroy the cruiser along with the other escorts. So the plan would be as follows: 1. The Task Force heads for the outer belt area away from Swift Tuttle. 2. Reaching the Outer Belt Area the Task Force heads for the designated area of the first Yellow Area end point and go silent running. 3. SB boat continues to track the enemy convoy letting us know where they are. 4. Once the convoy is close to our position we go active and move out to engage. 5. During the engagement the disguised SB moves up and begins jamming and attempts to board the cruiser. 6. If 5. is not possible the cruiser is destroyed along with escorts. 7. Upon destruction of convoy escorts and if we are not capturing the cruiser then we look at the situation and decide if we want to pull back or complete destruction of the enemy. SPECIAL WARNING If we do choose to capture the enemy cruiser we will likely need to enact full sanitation of the enemy assets as well as potentially any civilians unfortunate enough to be in the area. This will likely include enemy life boats as it would be doubtful that we could hang around in the area as the Task Force will be needed back at Neptune. Consider this fact if we are planning on capturing the cruiser. So there is my modified plan. Would people like to vote on this new plan or decide to go with the old plan or should we just stick with the old plan?
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Jun 15, 2017 16:46
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koolkevz666 posted:Saros why do we need to engage the enemy so close to Swift Tuttle, why couldn't the SB come in after we engage the convoy and escorts and board the cruiser during or after the battle? Is it to retain their cover? It's both Boarding pods have pretty limited range though they are very hard to spot. If the convoy spotted a ship pushing off to follow them they would be very suspicious and if they are more than 500m km away the SB Operations ship wont be able to jam their comms. 4th March, 0952hrs  The convoy has arrived at S-T, a few hours after arrival the Comets internal net went dark and there are pannicked reports over short range coms of gunfire on the docks. The Operations Vessel is pushing off and going dark and will attempt to conceal itself on the comet's surface. Looks like the IC might be planning to secure its lines from Saturn - Pluto.
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Jun 15, 2017 17:37
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Oh those bastards. Are they taking over Swift-Tuttle and spacing all our friends? Can we move in and demand they stop?
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Jun 15, 2017 17:43
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Those rats! (Saros, I sent you a thing in PMs). Well, I don't think we're close enough to help immediately, unfortunately, though we'll be able to make the bastards pay.
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Jun 15, 2017 18:42
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Move to help! - One of the main concerns before hand was pissing off the colony and the impacts on the opinions of other independents. If we help them now and guarantee their independence this will be a big PR win! Plus this gives Special Branch the opportunity for their operation to commence.
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Jun 15, 2017 19:19
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The price of cowardice is innocent lives  Move to help if possible!
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Jun 15, 2017 19:51
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I'm still against intervention. By the time we get there it'll all be over anyway, and we would compromise our Pluto objectives by doing so. Give the IC a day or two, if they don't move onto Pluto then we must take S-T back, but as it stands we have no proof this wasn't their destination all along. We need them to sail on from S-T towards Pluto before we can intervene. Civilian loss of life on S-T is deplorable and the IC must be punished but we can best do that by securing our Pluto objectives and using whatever we find there to gently caress them up proper in the future.
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Jun 15, 2017 19:59
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Given how slow the convoy was I imagine some time has passed, so we might actually not be that far away. I guess it makes sense to wait for them to start heading toward pluto if they are. Then striking when they move to do so near S-T.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:30
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I say wait unless we receive an official distress signal. Eye on the prize and all that.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:43
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Pharnakes posted:I'm still against intervention. By the time we get there it'll all be over anyway, and we would compromise our Pluto objectives by doing so. Give the IC a day or two, if they don't move onto Pluto then we must take S-T back, but as it stands we have no proof this wasn't their destination all along. We need them to sail on from S-T towards Pluto before we can intervene. Civilian loss of life on S-T is deplorable and the IC must be punished but we can best do that by securing our Pluto objectives and using whatever we find there to gently caress them up proper in the future. Scintilla posted:I say wait unless we receive an official distress signal. Eye on the prize and all that.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:40
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Friend Commuter posted:If their only objective was Swift-Tuttle, the Pluto mission's a wash anyway, because the whole point of going to Pluto was to arrive in the nick of time to stop the IC. No, the prize was to get a slice of Pluto pie. This is still on the cards in my opinion, S-T is likely a secondary objective to the IC or just an attempt to provoke us. If they just sit on S-T and make no move towards Pluto then we should go and kick them off, but we have nothing to loose by waiting a while. More likely than not the fleet will carry on towards Pluto once they have secured S_T.
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Jun 15, 2017 21:53
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