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My battle for cat's right will not cease. Every man deserves to be a cat person too!
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Diogines posted:You are very welcome to do so! Everyone is welcome to participate at their own rate. And yes it does. Cool! I sort of wish I could participate without influencing Enkidel, but I can understand why you wouldn't want that. Instead I'll try to represent a detached, analytical part of him. I have been following the thread since about a year in, and I finally have the time to try to sort through the many notes and theories I've written down, and present them in a format where they can be useful to the thread. Especially now that Travic has made a great reference tool, so I can go back and double-check stuff. It will make for a fun "keep my brain active while I'm on vacation" project over the next couple of weeks! Brain Candy posted:Vote too you silly goose; people barely read Diogs posts let alone all the other noise that goes on. I'm a politician in my everyday life, so I am constantly forced to vote on important issues, in situations with limited or unreliable information. Voting in this thread feels way too much like that, and I'd much rather discuss the incredible mysteries that Diog has created, without becoming attached to any specific course of action. Does that make sense?
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Jun 16, 2017 15:20
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Azram Legion posted:Cool! I sort of wish I could participate without influencing Enkidel, but I can understand why you wouldn't want that. Instead I'll try to represent a detached, analytical part of him. Oh, so you're the part that went "huh, neat" at the revelation that we're an abomination doomed to eternal hunger, and kept trying to carefully gauge WHICH thoughts made us most angry while in the sight of El(?). Yep, sounds about right.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:26
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Task Manager posted:You have a point - I shouldn't have said it won't change anything at this point. I feel like he has taken constructive criticism in the past, with the 1st retconn being a good example in that people felt blindsided and expected another round before we got creamed, so he's tried to give us more warning before we hit a fail state. I just think constructive criticism on this specific aspect (Getting cryptic responses to certain questions) is pointless, because it's not an issue he can "get better at" - it's the way these questions get answered within the framework of his simulation for reasons we're not fully aware of. Yep. He has in the past. That's why I want to talk about it. Let's work this out. 2 years ago I was willing to just shake it off. Now we need to just sit down and work this out. It reminds me of that terrible line in Destiny "I don't have time to explain why I don't have time to explain." 
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Jun 16, 2017 15:34
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Maybe the lack of normal explanation is meant to represent how our brain was not working right in this place, even before we got geased? We know that huge presence has an unavoidable reprogramming effect on lesser presences nearby. It could be accompanied by confusion and memory loss.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:45
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Nyaa posted:My battle for cat's right will not cease. Every man deserves to be a cat person too! +1 Dogs love you by default, a cat's love has to be earned. Regarding the discussion going on: none of this is gonna convince Diog to change the way he does things. I'm planning on doing some experimenting with "ownership" if we ever make it back to Kavodel. My only real concern about the game at this point is the pacing, which is about 1 year of real time per 20 years of game time. Every year it goes on increases the chance that it has to abruptly end for some reason and leave the players with a giant case of blue Balls. Voting to institute a tradition of having the Balls paint themselves blue and abstain from sex for a week once every year. Mexican Deathgasm fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 15:50
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I will always support a vote for adopting the smuggest cat we can for someone to insult us when we're dumb compared to snarls unconditional love.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:53
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We're going to have a snake too if all goes well. Maybe Snuls, Orm and future cat will be able to team up.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:55
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Enkidel Eat The Black Goop.
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Jun 16, 2017 15:56
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Butt Discussin posted:Maybe the lack of normal explanation is meant to represent how our brain was not working right in this place, even before we got geased? We know that huge presence has an unavoidable reprogramming effect on lesser presences nearby. It could be accompanied by confusion and memory loss. This has been happening for IRL years unfortunately.
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Jun 16, 2017 16:01
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Travic, at least some of those questions are things we know the answer to, you just have to look it up. It's a thread mechanic in that Enkidel's memory isn't 100% perfect and he doesn't know everything. The "what color is this?" Sort of stuff is probably worth answering, but the whole "do we know who owns the land?" Is well known. No, we don't. In fact it came up recently, Diog reminded us that we don't ever have a mystical knowledge of who owns the land, and then someone asked again. Many of these answers are in the thread, you just have to go find them. This is to represent our memory. You can improve our memory by going to find these answers (which the TOC helps with tremendously, thank you). But the nature of this mechanic has also come up before and was answered by Diog.
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Jun 16, 2017 16:01
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I don't care for it but I also don't participate in free questions as much as I use to so 
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Jun 16, 2017 16:04
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Mind raped by a snake, how far enki has fallen (again)
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Jun 16, 2017 16:07
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Olothreutes posted:Travic, at least some of those questions are things we know the answer to, you just have to look it up. It's a thread mechanic in that Enkidel's memory isn't 100% perfect and he doesn't know everything. The "what color is this?" Sort of stuff is probably worth answering, but the whole "do we know who owns the land?" Is well known. No, we don't. In fact it came up recently, Diog reminded us that we don't ever have a mystical knowledge of who owns the land, and then someone asked again. Many of these answers are in the thread, you just have to go find them. This is to represent our memory. You can improve our memory by going to find these answers (which the TOC helps with tremendously, thank you). But the nature of this mechanic has also come up before and was answered by Diog. I thought that too originally. But when I went back to look there are no descriptions. As for the ownership thing that has been answered in the past. Amok's lands were labelled. Probably because he wanted them to be labelled and let everyone know he was large and in charge. So that means the owner can choose to display their ownership or not. Which is interesting. I mentioned it because someone asked and Diog was evasive even though it has been clearly answered. And I'm glad you're getting use out of the TOC. I was worried no one else would find it helpful.
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Jun 16, 2017 16:11
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Travic posted:I thought that too originally. But when I went back to look there are no descriptions. The TOC is a masterwork. I'm sure I'm not the only person who will use it, hell even Diog might. It's hard to keep track of all this stuff. I frequently end up going back to find stuff. Enough so that I know things like "Amok and crew starts around page 155 or so of diog's posts." And other junk like that. It's also possible that some of the answers are in the q&a stuff, not in updates proper. Those are much harder to look up, sadly, and often hidden in the middle of 800 other questions with no relevance to the situation. Tomn!  Maybe we should try this: Diog, does the Orm own this land?
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Jun 16, 2017 16:19
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Ish and Tuydia have both been here, right? Clearly neither of them was mind controlled to find ORMWIFE. We don't have to be either. We need to remember that they were here and are fine. Metagame: man it would have been cool to have been here first, so we could have sent Once Consort to become ORMCONSORT
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Jun 16, 2017 16:21
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Uh Tudiya and Rimush didn't even get down the pit, duder
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Jun 16, 2017 16:23
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Olothreutes posted:The TOC is a masterwork. I'm sure I'm not the only person who will use it, hell even Diog might. It's hard to keep track of all this stuff. I frequently end up going back to find stuff. Enough so that I know things like "Amok and crew starts around page 155 or so of diog's posts." And other junk like that. It's also possible that some of the answers are in the q&a stuff, not in updates proper. Those are much harder to look up, sadly, and often hidden in the middle of 800 other questions with no relevance to the situation. Tomn! I though about adding Q&A, but...yeah. Tomn. Miss ya man!
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Jun 16, 2017 16:30
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Count me as someone who doesn't give a poo poo about the description stuff Travic is complaining about
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Jun 16, 2017 16:31
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Tsyni posted:I feel like the worst way to go about it is to complain to Diog... At least more than once anyway. People have been complaining a bunch. Relax. Think about it from a different angle or wait and see. Unironically agree. Diog is a great gm/dm/writer and is running an awesome game .
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Jun 16, 2017 16:33
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I suspect the 'Do you?" 'does it' answers are essentially "I have described the sensation to you as best Enkidel can interpret it. I also did this when *thing* happened'. In this circumstance I cannot disclose if they are the same thing because that is beyond Enkidel's understanding/knowledge available." Like asking if it feels like the experience in Gebek. He described the feeling of being in Gebek. He has described the feeling we have now. Confirming or denying whether they are alike is not an empirical judgement of yes or no that Enkidel is actually capable of making.
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Jun 16, 2017 16:43
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Diog can we understand the Orm's words because of the way it talks, or because Amok flicked blood in our eye? Or something else?
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Jun 16, 2017 16:51
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Travic posted:This has been happening for IRL years unfortunately. The only solution is to be endlessly frustrating to Diog in return. Time to channel Nyaa and Tomn for Eternal Question Time
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Jun 16, 2017 17:06
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Olothreutes posted:The TOC is a masterwork. I'm sure I'm not the only person who will use it, hell even Diog might. It's hard to keep track of all this stuff. I frequently end up going back to find stuff. Enough so that I know things like "Amok and crew starts around page 155 or so of diog's posts." And other junk like that. It's also possible that some of the answers are in the q&a stuff, not in updates proper. Those are much harder to look up, sadly, and often hidden in the middle of 800 other questions with no relevance to the situation. Tomn! SniperWoreConverse posted:Diog can we understand the Orm's words because of the way it talks, or because Amok flicked blood in our eye? Or something else? This is not a time for questions. This is a time for FINDING HER AND BRINGING HER HOME!
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Jun 16, 2017 17:11
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Z the IVth posted:The only solution is to be endlessly frustrating to Diog in return. Oh El. The nuclear option. Sandal questions as far as the eye can see.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:13
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I'm about 99% sure that this 'issue' isn't actually an issue, just a misunderstanding? like, i could be wrong, but it really does seem to be mostly a question of how the questions are asked, less that diog isn't willing to tell us what our senses actually experience?
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Jun 16, 2017 17:16
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I found the solution! Since the geas is on us and the Sandals obviously have some kind of intelligence its time to let the Sandals be in the drivers seat. Sandals what is your price for getting us out of this mess?
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Jun 16, 2017 17:22
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Magnusth posted:I'm about 99% sure that this 'issue' isn't actually an issue, just a misunderstanding? like, i could be wrong, but it really does seem to be mostly a question of how the questions are asked, less that diog isn't willing to tell us what our senses actually experience? I think you are right and we've even seen npcs do this like when Tudiya surprised ish by compelling him to speak of what happened while we were under gag order.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:27
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Magnusth posted:I'm about 99% sure that this 'issue' isn't actually an issue, just a misunderstanding? like, i could be wrong, but it really does seem to be mostly a question of how the questions are asked, less that diog isn't willing to tell us what our senses actually experience? If it was a misunderstanding Diog could clear it up very quickly. He is refusing to talk.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:35
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I'm going to laugh SO HARD when the net effect of all the RESIST votes is "now that your very reason for being has become as clear as the air before you, the only thoughts of resistance you can possibly consider are resisting any distractions or temptations from FINDING HER and BRINGING HER HOME! Any votes besides the provided A-to-Z options will go uncounted and not impact Enkidel's decision process."Travic posted:If it was a misunderstanding Diog could clear it up very quickly. He is refusing to talk. He's refusing to talk because God doesn't owe you any explanations, buttercup.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:39
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All the people joke voting to eat the goop during a will roll when very recently we faced a similar situation and Diog reminded us that every single votes counts is not making me very happy. Come on people, don't intentionally duck this up.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:40
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Travic posted:Oh El. The nuclear option. Sandal questions as far as the eye can see.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:42
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What's more important, finding her, or bringing her home?
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Jun 16, 2017 17:46
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Magnusth posted:I'm about 99% sure that this 'issue' isn't actually an issue, just a misunderstanding? like, i could be wrong, but it really does seem to be mostly a question of how the questions are asked, less that diog isn't willing to tell us what our senses actually experience? Are you sure? Does it seem that way?
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Jun 16, 2017 17:46
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Azuth0667 posted:I think you are right and we've even seen npcs do this like when Tudiya surprised ish by compelling him to speak of what happened while we were under gag order. Tudiya didn't compel Ish to tell him anything. He demanded it, and because Tudiya is the King, Ish obeyed a direct order.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:47
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McSpanky posted:I'm going to laugh SO HARD when the net effect of all the RESIST votes is "now that your very reason for being has become as clear as the air before you, the only thoughts of resistance you can possibly consider are resisting any distractions or temptations from FINDING HER and BRINGING HER HOME! Any votes besides the provided A-to-Z options will go uncounted and not impact Enkidel's decision process." He's the DM. He kind of does. That's what the DM does.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:50
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Travic posted:He's the DM. He kind of does. That's what the DM does. Not if the game rules demand otherwise? I don't understand why you insist on adhering to strict definitions of what he must and must not do.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:51
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There Bias Two posted:Not if the game rules demand otherwise? I don't understand why you insist on adhering to strict definitions of what he must and must not do. Because he's the DM. If the DM stops providing information the whole thing breaks down. He's playing the game as a black hole of information. I'm surprised more people aren't upset. If in any of the role playing games I've ever played someone asked the DM a question and the response was "I dunno you tell me." He'd be out on his rear end so fast your head would spin. And what's the point in playing if the DM can just make up a new rule and decline to answer any question he doesn't like? It reminds me of the SCP site where writes will add [redacted] and [expunged] for pointless things just to be mysterious. Travic fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Jun 16, 2017 17:54
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Maybe, just maybe, this is a mystery game all along and we have to find clues and solve puzzles.
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