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I GUESS it's possible that the weird guy covered in shoe polish who was in the jail then moved on to posessing Phyllis after leaving the husband, and that's what Cooper was referring to when he said she followed human nature. But having a split second incredibly vague blur effect doesn't seem like a good way of showing it. To me it seemed like Cooper set up the whole business with Hastings and his wife cheating on each other, and was gloating a bit about how easy he can manipulate people.
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I feel like there's something to that moment looking strange, because it's unique so far in the show. Maybe once we see another person get shot by Mr. C we'll be able to know if that's just an enhancement effect or if it implies some significance.
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Actually revealing who Diane is feels like a very un-Lynch thing to do, and I'm not sure what I think about it.
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The fact that it's Laura Dern looking like a German cabaret singer feels very Lynch.
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I'm not trying to read into every little thing or suck the joy out of the show, I just always viewed Twin Peaks as something of a.... easter egg hunt, in a manner? In this particular instance, I'm not saying it means anything or even suggesting a meaning, if you notice. I'm just purposely pointing out a very strange visual effect (which we have seen in both the Red Room/Black Lodge and the Pink Room or whatever you want to call that place Cooper went to briefly). When Mr. C killed Darya, there was nothing strange, and no unnatural visual effects. If it means anything, I would think it's another instance of the Black Lodge "leaking". Like Mr. C speaking a word backwards when talking to Cole, or his left ring finger print showing up backwards as Tammy Preston (hopefully) noticed. I'm not saying something like this will come back, or be revisited, or whatever... I just think it's cool to notice these things and hazard a guess as to what it mean. It's as inexplicable to me as the soot-covered guy in the jail cell vanishing and his head floating away. I just wanted to point out that it *exists* since a lot of people perhaps didn't notice anything weird about the scene, while that scene - and what the jittery effect when he shoots her was and whether that was just blood coming out of her head - has been bothering me for weeks and I feel pleased with myself and happy that I more or less answered the questions that were bothering me. The jittery, stuttering effect when he shoots her is from a very brief visual warping effect that Lynch used, and whatever is coming out of her head when she is standing up is definitely not blood, whatever it is - if it was blood, it would have splattered somewhere instead of vanishing, and it's clearly a digital effect. It is generally important to remember that filmmakers put a lot of thought into what they're making, and it's not as if a director like Lynch would make decisions like that on a total whim without any thought behind it. Whatever it is, it means *something* to Lynch and/or Frost, even if that meaning might not even be clear to them. Is there really such harm in pointing this stuff out? kaworu fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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I forgot that during the first Lodge scene in Cooper's dream he's old and the scene in season 3 plays out very similarly. It's been so long since I watched the first season that this kind of thing is really cool to rediscover. It gives the impression that the s3 stuff was planned from the start but I know that's just where the pieces fell.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I'm not sure I like Diane being a real person and not just Cooper's tape recorder but Laura Dern is always great. I knew it was never intended but I couldn't help but think of her in a York/Zack way due to playing Deadly Premonition before my last rewatch.
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Deadly Premonition is probably going to end up being essential to understanding the episode after this next one.
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SeANMcBAY posted:I knew it was never intended but I couldn't help but think of her in a York/Zack way due to playing Deadly Premonition before my last rewatch.
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TheMaestroso posted:I feel like there's something to that moment looking strange, because it's unique so far in the show. Maybe once we see another person get shot by Mr. C we'll be able to know if that's just an enhancement effect or if it implies some significance. Does kaworu feel like going though the scene with Darya frame by frame? That shooting seemed normal.
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kaworu posted:Is there really such harm in pointing this stuff out? You really shouldn't have made it sound like it was subtle. Watching that scene again, it's a really obvious effect. If something similar happens when Cooper kills Darya, it's not nearly as noticeable.
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Phi230 posted:Dougie Jones Quote for help
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Ginette Reno posted:Quote for help
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Easter egg hunting is great. They're there, but they're not like concrete eggs. They're more like wool eggs, eggs made out of wool. Strange eggs that might not actually be eggs, or meant to represent eggs, but they're made of wool and wool comes from sheep which is fine in my opinion. Twin Peaks : The Return is great for finding wool eggs and that's a great thing if you like wool. If you like real eggs, either to cook or to paint with your children then that's great too, but that's not the kind of eggs that David Lynch gives a neutered birth to out of his hen like artistic vagina in this Showtime henhouse and I'm fine with that.
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kaworu posted:Is there really such harm in pointing this stuff out? No, keep doing it, I'm in the same boat as you.
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Modrasone posted:Easter egg hunting is great. They're there, but they're not like concrete eggs. They're more like wool eggs, eggs made out of wool. Strange eggs that might not actually be eggs, or meant to represent eggs, but they're made of wool and wool comes from sheep which is fine in my opinion. Twin Peaks : The Return is great for finding wool eggs and that's a great thing if you like wool. If you like real eggs, either to cook or to paint with your children then that's great too, but that's not the kind of eggs that David Lynch gives a neutered birth to out of his hen like artistic vagina in this Showtime henhouse and I'm fine with that. this is a good post
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Modrasone posted:Easter egg hunting is great. They're there, but they're not like concrete eggs. They're more like wool eggs, eggs made out of wool. Strange eggs that might not actually be eggs, or meant to represent eggs, but they're made of wool and wool comes from sheep which is fine in my opinion. Twin Peaks : The Return is great for finding wool eggs and that's a great thing if you like wool. If you like real eggs, either to cook or to paint with your children then that's great too, but that's not the kind of eggs that David Lynch gives a neutered birth to out of his hen like artistic vagina in this Showtime henhouse and I'm fine with that.
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Re: Carl and the grieving mother, it reminds me of Dead Dog Farm from season two, and the realtor's story to Coop.Irene Littlehorse posted:Of all the people in the world, the best and the worst are drawn to Dead Dog, and most turn away. Only those with the purest of heart can feel its pain. And somewhere in between, the rest of us struggle.
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Modrasone posted:Easter egg hunting is great. They're there, but they're not like concrete eggs. They're more like wool eggs, eggs made out of wool. Strange eggs that might not actually be eggs, or meant to represent eggs, but they're made of wool and wool comes from sheep which is fine in my opinion. Twin Peaks : The Return is great for finding wool eggs and that's a great thing if you like wool. If you like real eggs, either to cook or to paint with your children then that's great too, but that's not the kind of eggs that David Lynch gives a neutered birth to out of his hen like artistic vagina in this Showtime henhouse and I'm fine with that.
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And coffee comes from a cup!
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 He is just sooo old and lovable. Want him to do my taxes.
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I think I found David Lynch's inspiration for Ike the Spike's stabby scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ3BqDf_MbM
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Magic Hate Ball posted:And coffee comes from a cup!
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Deep analysis into Lynch's visual direction seems counter to how it works, for me anyway. The meaning is in how the atmosphere is making you feel. No need to double-rainbow every visual detail.
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kaworu posted:Is there really such harm in pointing this stuff out? Guy Mann posted:I think I found David Lynch's inspiration for Ike the Spike's stabby scene: DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Jun 18, 2017 |
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Modrasone posted:Easter egg hunting is great. They're there, but they're not like concrete eggs. They're more like wool eggs, eggs made out of wool. Strange eggs that might not actually be eggs, or meant to represent eggs, but they're made of wool and wool comes from sheep which is fine in my opinion. Twin Peaks : The Return is great for finding wool eggs and that's a great thing if you like wool. If you like real eggs, either to cook or to paint with your children then that's great too, but that's not the kind of eggs that David Lynch gives a neutered birth to out of his hen like artistic vagina in this Showtime henhouse and I'm fine with that. I don't get it  vvv: Sorry I was trying to be funny - I am able to comprehend irony your post was lovely and needed no explaining 
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What I mean is that these small details are there in abundance and it's fun to look for them, but they're not meant to give and definitive answers about anything, they're more about building a momentum of symbolism.
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my theory atm is that sonny jim is cooper as a kid
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Earlier on in this thread I commented on my dread of the implications of Dougie, a fake being, having a wife and kid. But, what if they are all constructs? What if Dougie, Janey-E, and Sonny Jim all combine to make the Cooper we love? Janey-E has the force of will, Sonny Jim has the joy, and Dougie/Coop has the basic building blocks that make up Special Agent Dale Cooper.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:And coffee comes from a cup! Yes, Andy
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Apple Craft posted:Earlier on in this thread I commented on my dread of the implications of Dougie, a fake being, having a wife and kid. But, what if they are all constructs? What if Dougie, Janey-E, and Sonny Jim all combine to make the Cooper we love? So in order to get Coop back... 
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Tirranek posted:So in order to get Coop back... im kinda worried ike the spike is gonna kill em all
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Tirranek posted:So in order to get Coop back... yes.... he has to gently caress his son
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i really hope not i only want the best for the jones 
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I'm not sure I like Diane being a real person and not just Cooper's tape recorder but Laura Dern is always great. She was never a tape recorder. Throughout the show he makes statements to her as you would to a real person, like stopping by the diner he stopped at on the way to Twin Peaks to try their pie, or the earplugs thing another poster mentioned. In one of the deleted scenes from Fire Walk With Me, Cooper is outside of her office addressing her, but we never see her and she never speaks.
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There's a new episode of Twin Peaks tonight. That's cool.
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crowoutofcontext posted:Yup. Also this Missing Pieces scene with Diane off camera is ridiculously cute and really highlights how close she was with Coop: drat, watching that scene really drove home how much I am missing the real Dale Cooper in the 2017 series. Yes, yes, I know...slow burn, Lynch is Lynch, 18-hour movie, "what did you want, a safe nostalgia trip like The Force Awakens", etc. There is no doubt that this new season is a fascinating thing to watch, unlike anything on TV. But I don't think that people are being monsters for hoping that this iconic and enjoyable character from the original series makes some sort of appearance this season. Not for cheap nostalgia, but because Lynch and Frost are so good at writing him.
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