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baka kaba posted:You have to draw the line at some point, I'm saying it shouldn't be interrupting basic use cases like streaming a TV show or running a large download, unless it's a dire emergency. It's not my job to work out the ideal policy, they just need to make it less user-hostile. If you're trying to do something not even slightly unusual and your computer interrupts it (or becomes outright unusable because of a long update) then that's a Bad Thing, and they should be avoiding that Yes, if only there was some warning system they could implement that had a schedule you setup that would allow it to reboot automatically during a given time period of your choosing...
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ratbert90 posted:Yes, if only there was some warning system they could implement that had a schedule you setup that would allow it to reboot automatically during a given time period of your choosing... Yes, scheduling a reboot sounds great! I'd love for windows to give me a way to schedule update reboots. I went manual because the way it works now I had restarts that were effectively unscheduled -- the notifications happened while I was afk or whatever. Inadequate warning, no input required to keep me in the loop. The active hours thing is garbage.
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Jun 22, 2017 15:54
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Yeah I've several times woken up to a reboot update because the warning-schedule me-reboot cycle all happened while I was sleeping.
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You have to wait until there actually is an update to get those options. Not ideal.
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New Insider build, and it actually showed up in wu for me  I was hoping that the update process might fix some of the weirdness going on in 16215 for me, but wu downloads it then fails with error 0x80240034 before I actually get in the rest of the install outside of my current build.  I wish there was just a database with even a single line description of error codes into English. Otherwise, what's the use? What way is there to decode them other than googling and hoping someone else knows? (if there is a database like that please tell me, because it's never showed up in google.) Edit: Ah never mind second time worked fine. BrainDance fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 19:28
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BrainDance posted:New Insider build, and it actually showed up in wu for me Searching on just the error code and nothing else brought me to this page: Windows Update Agent Result Codes That particular one means "download failed".
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Jun 22, 2017 21:06
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FYI Microsoft does cert pinning for pulling windows updates and some AV/malware/whatever platforms will locally proxy/MITM TLS sessions which makes WU download break because the agent sees some random cert on the socket and says gently caress No.
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Jun 22, 2017 21:39
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Flagrama posted:I run Twitch steams and YouTube videos on my computer almost literally 24/7. At what point should Windows decide to update? In about seven days or so when you die from lack of sleep.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:00
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Use your Zune to squirt a request to patch and reboot
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Jun 22, 2017 22:02
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biznatchio posted:In about seven days or so when you die from lack of sleep. Okay, my computer runs them 24/7. I sleep while my computer is running them during night time hours. When should my Windows decide to update if it follows baka kaba's suggestion.
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Jun 22, 2017 22:20
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Flagrama posted:Okay, my computer runs them 24/7. I sleep while my computer is running them during night time hours. When should my Windows decide to update if it follows baka kaba's suggestion. Why can't you just put your computer to sleep when you go to bed? Why does it have to be running so much?
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Jun 22, 2017 22:28
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hooah posted:Why can't you just put your computer to sleep when you go to bed? Why does it have to be running so much? Please let the answer be Bitcoin...
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Jun 22, 2017 22:34
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I think Windows should interrupt your bitcoin mining early and often
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Jun 22, 2017 22:40
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hooah posted:Why can't you just put your computer to sleep when you go to bed? Why does it have to be running so much? My guess is, so that his Twitch channel would videos of his choosing, instead of some random other Twitch streamers. But the basic fact is that there are multitudes of good reasons for NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers and Microsoft can't just deny them or make enabling it obnoxiously difficult. MS should give a clear option for disabling auto reboots or updates, and as a compromise the user would have to choose an acceptable annoying update nag of some variety.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:07
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Saukkis posted:MS should give a clear option for disabling auto reboots or updates, Doing that for 20 years is why we have it hard to do now.
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Jun 22, 2017 23:49
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hooah posted:Why can't you just put your computer to sleep when you go to bed? Why does it have to be running so much? I think we're confused here. I'm fine with the current system of random reboots while I'm sleeping. I'm just saying that the idea baka kaba brought up would mean my computer would never get updated. But, I run the videos on my computer just as background noise most of the time and sometimes watch them if something catches my interest. I'd do the same thing with cable TV if I had that.
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Jun 23, 2017 00:16
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Weird, I'm pretty sure I said you have to draw the line somewhere but 'forced surprise updates an hour after you left the computer doing something important' is probably on the wrong side of that line! I mean this seemed like a pretty uncontroversial stance but apparently it's an unsolvable problem
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Jun 23, 2017 00:33
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I put my computer on sleepy mode at night, but I also leave VLC open with a video paused for sometimes weeks at a time. Sleep doesn't lose the time place but restarting and updating does and it pees me oh.
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Jun 23, 2017 00:38
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That's really a VLC problem though
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Jun 23, 2017 00:43
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VLC can remember your spot in a video the next time you open a file. It's in the settings. I use it a lot. That paired with using the recently played videos in File -> Open Recent makes picking up where you left off after a reboot somewhat manageable.
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hooah posted:Why can't you just put your computer to sleep when you go to bed? Why does it have to be running so much? regardless of why he leaves his pc on 24/7 (I do this in the winter), sleep doesn't help at all. the point of sleep is that the state you come back to is the state you left it in. what you're thinking of is 'off'. baka kaba posted:Weird, I'm pretty sure I said you have to draw the line somewhere but 'forced surprise updates an hour after you left the computer doing something important' is probably on the wrong side of that line! well if windows 7 was the high point, by windows 14 we'll be back to win95 level stability and reliability. then we won't ever be surprised by sudden reboots or expect the thing to still be working the next day.
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Flagrama posted:Okay, my computer runs them 24/7. I sleep while my computer is running them during night time hours. When should my Windows decide to update if it follows baka kaba's suggestion. Any time you want; you're supposed to be running that poo poo off of a cheap 10 USD/month server via ffmpeg.
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Jun 23, 2017 07:08
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Saukkis posted:MS should give a clear option for disabling auto reboots or updates No.
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Jun 23, 2017 12:40
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A compromise I would grudgingly accept is if it forced updates the next time you manually restart. So I can play the "how long until my power goes out for a second" game of keeping my computer on but it will happen eventually.
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Jun 23, 2017 12:44
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Wait, why only on manual restarts? Nah, it already exists.
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The people who think they know best, and want to disable the updates but can't are exactly the kind of user who is the problem. Anyone with a basic level of competency is currently running Win10 without issues. "But I wanna defer this critical update that leaves me exposed to becoming a botnet for weeks, i wanna i wanna!" No, gently caress off.
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Khablam posted:The people who think they know best, and want to disable the updates but can't are exactly the kind of user who is the problem. Note to self - create ransomware that presents itself as a program to delay automatic restarts for Windows Update.
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drunken officeparty posted:I put my computer on sleepy mode at night, but I also leave VLC open with a video paused for sometimes weeks at a time. Why would you possibly need to do this?
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Why would you possibly need to do this? It reads to me like an electronic version of the hoarding mentality. You just can't close that browser tab/program out for weeks at a time because you'll definitely need it someday!
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Jun 23, 2017 14:32
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Why would you possibly need to do this? It takes me a long time to watch movies 30 seconds at a time
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drunken officeparty posted:A compromise I would grudgingly accept is if it forced updates the next time you manually restart. So I can play the "how long until my power goes out for a second" game of keeping my computer on but it will happen eventually. Also no. How about you keep your poo poo saved, and let it restart if it needs to so you don't lose your data?
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Khablam posted:"But I wanna defer this critical update that leaves me exposed to becoming a botnet for weeks, i wanna i wanna!" times i've been pwned by a botnet and lost work: 0 times i've been pwned by win10 updates and lost work: 2 gently caress off yourself
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Flagrama posted:I think we're confused here. I'm fine with the current system of random reboots while I'm sleeping. I'm just saying that the idea baka kaba brought up would mean my computer would never get updated. Hahahaha I can't believe this general use computer configured to execute arbitrary code has to reboot occasionally unlike a television!! drunken officeparty posted:A compromise I would grudgingly accept is if it forced updates the next time you manually restart. So I can play the "how long until my power goes out for a second" game of keeping my computer on but it will happen eventually. It already does this. When updates are pending the shutdown options change to Install Updates and Shutdown or Install Updates and Reboot. Microsoft is giving users multiple ways to doing this at their convenience and these people are ignoring them and then still complaining.
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Klyith posted:lol Yeah okay Neo, I'm sure you're inspecting the code that is executing on your system for compromise.
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Jun 23, 2017 16:08
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:Yeah okay Neo, I'm sure you're inspecting the code that is executing on your system for compromise. did I claim to be? you should try it, I'm actually pretty satisfied with how they handled being set to non-automatic. they get really persistent with the nags. if automatic mode did the same thing with the reboot -- ie never rebooting without the user's active agreement, but nagging the gently caress out of you if you ignore it -- I predict there would be no complaints and very few people would leave their computers unrebooted for weeks.
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Klyith posted:did I claim to be? Nah, if you let people not do the update as long as they want, a bunch of them will simply never update. Citation: Literally The Last 20 Years Of Windows Updates Existing
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I have a few coworkers that are still running Yosemite and the last version of iOS on their phones. It's not just Windows users who don't update.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:Hahahaha I can't believe this general use computer configured to execute arbitrary code has to reboot occasionally unlike a television!! I can. I like it.
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[quote="Klyith" post=""473689851"] times i've been pwned by a botnet and lost work: 0 [/quote] That's not how botnets work.
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