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Strom Cuzewon posted:He ate a whole roast chicken really quickly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WsMSkXog5s
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docbeard posted:Also, SIMM, not SIMMS, for god's sake, people. Utopia literally aired ten years ago and people still type "Simms." I think that battle's been lost.
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Caught up today with it. That was really good! The scenes in the hospital with the patients were really good, properly disconcerting. The setting was pulpy-sci-fi enough without having too much technobabble. I knew Simm would be in it but I actually didn't have him pegged as Razor until he met Missy so that was fun. I really hope they'll be able to stick the landing next week.
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I really liked this episode, but am not optimistic for part two. I think I've just been burned by too many multi-parters.docbeard posted:Also, SIMM, not SIMMS, for god's sake, people. This and Christopher "Reeves" playing Superman drive me crazy.
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Big things went down this episode huh
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Did anyone catch the exact amount of time dilation between the ends of the ship? I remember the clock would only be on a few seconds and I couldn't read it fast enough because it was "year and day" as a few numbers with no separation or something like that? Point being, it was implied it was a few years = a few minutes (an eyebrow not even moving for weeks or months or whatever it was implies that), but that doesn't make tremendous sense. Bill doesn't visibly age (and in case you think maybe the implants she already has helped, neither do the grouchy nurse or lowercase-d doctor). Also if the Master sent the proto-cybermen up to get Bill the second he sees everyone arrive, by the time they'd get up there, take her, and return, that would be several years of no progress in cyber-conversion. Although, knowing the Master, once he realized he had a chance to really screw over the Doctor, he'd probably make sure the progress ground to a halt for centuries if need be for his plan to come to fruition (and only proceed in converting her as soon as they started coming down the elevator). Relative time between various distances from a black hole is bad enough, without throwing an elevator into the mix.
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Cruel Rose posted:Big things went down this episode huh the masters team up to split a sundae
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I think the amount of time is implied to be several years total, five at the most, enough to be really frickin long while keeping people in a similarish age bracket. The Master was watching the bridge cameras on his crappy TV, so he would have set everything in motion the second the Doctor got in the lift and (presumably) knew exactly how long he had. I'm guessing he provided them with at least some of the technology to finish the conversion process.
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Stabbatical posted:Caught up today with it. That was really good! The scenes in the hospital with the patients were really good, properly disconcerting. The setting was pulpy-sci-fi enough without having too much technobabble. I knew Simm would be in it but I actually didn't have him pegged as Razor until he met Missy so that was fun. I really hope they'll be able to stick the landing next week. e: also I like the idea that he just hates the thought that he could ever become good, he just has to stop that happening! Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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docbeard posted:Anyway, holy poo poo that was great. It would have been even better if JOHN SIMM IS COMING BACK AS THE MASTER hadn't been all over the place for like a year, but such is the reality of television promotion I guess. BBC America did us one better(worse). I saw the Cybermen reveal coming but they did one of those stupid "coming up" previews where they spoil the Mondas reveal.
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Timby posted:Utopia literally aired ten years ago and people still type "Simms." I think that battle's been lost. 
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I wish I hadn't watched the NEXT TIME at the end of the 9th Legion episode because it spoiled the gently caress out of everything. I wouldn't have seen the Cyberman thing until Bill's operation because I'm not familiar with the Monday's Cyberman, and I definitely wouldn't have seen John Simm's return since I'm not in the U.K. Screw you BBC 
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Davidson was ok but he's no Christopher Ecclestone. Jeffe posted:Did anyone catch the exact amount of time dilation between the ends of the ship? I remember the clock would only be on a few seconds and I couldn't read it fast enough because it was "year and day" as a few numbers with no separation or something like that? 2 days bridge= 365,000 days at the bottom. If a Mondasian year is the same as Earth's, then they were down there for 1000 years.
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TinTower posted:The last companion to irreversibly snuff it with no take-backsies was Adric. Doesn't look good if they break the 34-year streak now.
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I really liked the scenes of the Doctor and Bill jokingly discussing her mortality whilst eating chips, while the Doctor tried to defuse the situation in the present. Especially with how cavalier they both were: "Just... promise me you won't let me die, yeah?" "Oh, I can't promise that..." "Oh... hah... thanks!" As we see the gun go off and a large hole in her chest is revealed.
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Astroman posted:Davidson was ok but he's no Christopher Ecclestone. Well, of course a Mondas year is the same as Earth's; it's Earth's twin!
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Bill is down on Floor 1056 for at least ten months, maybe more. From the Doctor's perspective, only thirty seconds take place between the two shots of the clock (365036:00:23:29–365344:10:02:21). So you're looking at a time dilation of about 1,000,000, and thus a black hole on the scale of a hundred solar masses. 
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BioEnchanted posted:I really liked the scenes of the Doctor and Bill jokingly discussing her mortality whilst eating chips, while the Doctor tried to defuse the situation in the present. Especially with how cavalier they both were: I would have expected the Doctor to put himself dead in front of Bill and not move as he went over to the blue dude rather than going around his line of fire, but I suppose if he'd done that the plot wouldn't have happened.
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Oh, I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed yet, but what about the "Doctor Who" thing. When Missy was like "I'm Doctor Who" she was just being Missy. But when the Doctor had to intervene and he acknowledged "I am Doctor Who", at least one of my eyebrows went up. How do you folks interpret that line?
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Doctor Who is required. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQWDPrfgkeY
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The only problem with this episode is that you know Big Finish will do a convoluted and completely unnecessary story trying to make it and Spare Parts fit together. It's okay to have a few different versions of the story! With the regeneration cold open, I was spending the episode going, "What if Capaldi regenerates into Simm?!" Also, glad I wasn't the only one at the opening who went, "Finally, the Red Dwarf/Doctor Who crossover we've all been clamoring for!" Carbon dioxide posted:But when the Doctor had to intervene and he acknowledged "I am Doctor Who", at least one of my eyebrows went up. How do you folks interpret that line? Moffat was yanking everyone's chains with a throwback reference. Right around the time of The 10th Planet, there were several stories that essentially gave his name as "Doctor Who". He was, as stated in the episode, winding us up. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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DOCTOR: she's not Doctor Who, I'm Doctor Who. NARDOLE: you're not, are you? DOCTOR: I like it. 2house2fly fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jun 25, 2017 |
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Rewatching again. I still love the very meta "These are my disposables... Exposition and Comic Relief."
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The_Doctor posted:Rewatching again. I still love the very meta "These are my disposables... Exposition and Comic Relief." "Those are genders, dear."
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Jorj says there was a skeleton crew of 50 on the ship, 20 went down to reverse the engines, where are the other 29 people? It's only been 2 days for him, but he already knows about the proto-Cybermen taking only humans. Time dilation is such a headache. Edit: just paused and saw floor 1056 is on day 365,035, which means 1000 years has passed for them in only 2 days for floor 1. 
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The slow reveal of all the cyber bits seemed super wasted to me because the voice synthesizer was perfect from the beginning and the creepy surgeon guy says "conversion" right after Bill wakes up for the first time.
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The grindhouse-esque zoom on John Sim after he pulls off the mask is just inspired.
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1000 years in 2 days comes to a little over 3 years in 10 minutes, which was Nardole's generous estimate for how long they were on the top floor before they went down for Bill. Adding the time they'll have spent on the elevators, 5 years seems reasonable
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The_Doctor posted:Jorj says there was a skeleton crew of 50 on the ship, 20 went down to reverse the engines, where are the other 29 people? It's only been 2 days for him, but he already knows about the proto-Cybermen taking only humans. Time dilation is such a headache. Yeah, I guess the engine crew went down there and then from his point of view, almost immediately the lift came back up and the proto cybes grabbed the other humans.
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Day 365,433 now and she's cleaning floors. Bill's been down there over a year.
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Jerusalem posted:I can't understand a word you're saying.
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LividLiquid posted:we were talking about White Hole. A white hole?
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That was a great episode. Would have been even better if they hadn't tipped their hand a bit about The Master and Cybermen though.Facebook Aunt posted:I wonder if the Master had anything to do with that expedition to the 500th floor failing? They had the clocks showing that 2 days passed in the control room while 10,000 years passed at their end of the ship, so they should have realized how long an expedition would take. Even a quick look 'round would have had them away from the city for years. The way it's been set up I'm expecting that the expedition succeeded but either people failed to account for the time discrepancy or the all clear message got intercepted/sabotaged, which means people on the lower deck are coming up with desperate drastic solutions to a non-existent problem. Using an imaginary threat and an imaginary tragedy to trick people into destroying themselves is the sort of scheme The Master dreams about.
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If you think about it the doctor realises the time dilation thing fairly instantly but still spends 3 years of bills life explaining it. Mean
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Fil5000 posted:I don't think this timeline QUITE works because Mondasians would still have the same agoraphobia that necessitated the conversion process I'm the first place. Plus Zheng would have been converting them as fast as possible anyway. I only said after because I figured that if a colony ship had been hired from aliens the Mondasians would have mentioned it to the Fifth Doctor, plus IIRC they seemed surprised aliens existed.  I figure there may have been some lulls in the cyberconversions, perhaps whole years where they held off. Plenty of time for the Master to show up with a good offer.
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Elite posted:The way it's been set up I'm expecting that the expedition succeeded but either people failed to account for the time discrepancy or the all clear message got intercepted/sabotaged, which means people on the lower deck are coming up with desperate drastic solutions to a non-existent problem. Using an imaginary threat and an imaginary tragedy to trick people into destroying themselves is the sort of scheme The Master dreams about. That's why I referenced "Utopia." That entire deperate struggle to launch a rocket to a fake paradise was implied to have been contrived by The Master. The Futurekind as a threat was probably engineered by him as well. In the end it just put them in a position to be converted by him to the Toclafane.
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The absolute best part of all this is the Ainsley goatee he grew for his return. 
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I will say, the Doctor discounting Bill's moral high ground over calling the Master a murderer, by comparing the Master's literal genocide to her eating non sapient life forms that she did not personally kill, might be the dumbest thing in the entire episode. Doctor, the Master literally has been the direct cause of your death, what, twice now? Three times? And more over, Doctor, the Master is single handedly responsible for wiping out 1/3rd of the known universe. Yes, I dare say, Bill might have the loving moral high ground compared to her.
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Astroman posted:This has been Moffat's master plan all along. He's had this in mind since he became showrunner, probably since he was a teenager actually. Become in charge of Doctor Who, spend years trying to prove you're not sexist and act as progressive as possible while apologizing for gaffes and doing stuff like MtF Time Lord regeneration, create a gay, black, female character--and have her killed off by a white male. I personally think Moffat just kills off all of his companions and that he saved the most tragic death for the last one, and that while the timing is unfortunate, it is not inappropriate for this to happen to Bill. Still, this irritating screed of yours really, really makes you look awfully, painfully stupid.
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Now that I think about it. The Doctor has aged like, what several hundred (thousand?) years over the last few regeneration's. Contemporary Earth to the Doctor back in 3's time was the 70's(80's?). So contemporary earth to the Doctor now is actually a long goddamn time from now.
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