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I've got a hobby that people have died doing, and that many think is unsafe. I don't do it for an adrenaline rush, bragging rights, etc. - and Honnold probably doesn't either. I use everything available to keep safe and be successful, but there are certain times where casting most/all of that aside provides a different, more "connected" experience, so what he did makes complete sense to me. Dude loves climbing rocks and poo poo - let him climb.
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I believe the last few posters made my point better than I could hope to. It's really amazing.
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Helicity posted:Dude loves climbing rocks and poo poo - let him climb. But leperfish disagrees on the morally reasonable risk level for someone to take with an activity that in no way endangers anyone but themselves. It's completely reasonable that this difference in opinion about what people do with their own bodies means leperfish needs to enforce his beliefs on others.
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pr0zac posted:enforce his beliefs on others. this is a lie
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Why is this still happening? I've been trying not to probate people, but you're really tempting me. Stop arguing about whether what Honnold does has any value because of how dangerous it is. He's balanced the "risk v award" in his head and he's decided the reward is greater than the risk. That's all there is to it. You don't get to tell him he's wrong.
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It's not really about Honnold, and the point isn't that he's wrong. I'm sorry for the derail: I have a hard time just not defending my own argument from a bunch of people insisting that I'm actually claiming something I'm not. I find that very frustrating. I'll drop it anyway.
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some people climb mountains for no reward, leperflesh starts arguments with no tangible payoff. some things just can't be explained
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I climbed 2 mountains yesterday (really 95% just good steep hikes, but there was some bare rock scrambling near the first peak that I wasn't expecting, and I was pretty happy with how far up I made it all things considered). I bring this up because I was reminded that I get really bad vertigo when I'm at the tallest point for a while (seriously, being 10' below the summit? not too bad. Getting to the very top? Not as fun!), and I feel sore as poo poo because even though I've covered similar distances/elevation on my mountain bike recently, it's just not the same muscles. Everything is pain today, and I'm hoping to do it again soon. Probably with more appropriate shoes though  P6100014.jpg P6100088.jpg Bonus for the thread here: spot the guy hiking in denim overalls with no shirt.  
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Jun 11, 2017 20:33
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That's hilariously hosed up. The overalls dude, not you. You are cool.
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Jun 11, 2017 23:33
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Mountaineering, one more activity that had its roots in apalachian moonshinery. Jimbo there's going up an old family path to check on a still that his family placed on that rock back in seventeen dickety two.
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Jun 12, 2017 04:36
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I just watched Man on Wire. Now that's a great movie about a man risking his life unnecessarily.
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The more fit, adventurous and committed men die in these sports, the more women will have to settle for us WOW-playing slugs. 
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I climbed a mountain a few years ago, it was pretty fun. Apparently the mountain's killed over 50 people since 1980, which seems high, but we were fine. Probably next time we'll bring more water, we ran out at the top and got real thirsty on the way down. ]
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Is my timeline right? We've gone from, "The Hillary Step is gone," to, "The Hillary Step isn't gone, it's just covered in snow," back to today (yesterday), "The Hillary Step is gone." http://deadspin.com/everests-most-iconic-pitch-the-hillary-step-is-gone-1796099719
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Does that make the climb easier? Looks like it was a vertical climb before and now it's a slope.
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sullat posted:I climbed a mountain a few years ago, it was pretty fun. Apparently the mountain's killed over 50 people since 1980, which seems high, but we were fine. Probably next time we'll bring more water, we ran out at the top and got real thirsty on the way down. Definitely bring more water, most accidents happen on descent and being dehydrated just makes you stupider than you already are from fatigue.
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http://news10.com/2017/06/21/experienced-hiker-from-catskill-goes-missing-while-climbing-russian-mountain/ He went soloing Mt. Elbrus while his pregnant wife waited at home. Unexpected storm swept in and he never made it back to base camp.
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Cymoril posted:http://news10.com/2017/06/21/experienced-hiker-from-catskill-goes-missing-while-climbing-russian-mountain/ "Beare’s family has not hired a private search firm and two helicopters to try and find him. They are holding out hope that he is safe and alive somewhere." . . . that's oddly specific.
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Paramemetic posted:"Beare’s family has not hired a private search firm and two helicopters to try and find him. They are holding out hope that he is safe and alive somewhere." Pretty sure its just a typo, and not=now. Edit: yeah, there's a link farther down to the page where they're asking for funding for the search effort: http://www.coloradopolicefoundation.org/search-for-steven
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This is from a year ago, can't remember if I saw it before, but it popped up on my Facebook feed, so here. Why walk up Everest when you can fly instead.  http://www.nationalgeographic.com/a...nt&sf92146640=1
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Is there a word yet for the intense but irrational desire to beat people to death with their selfie sticks?
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Cartoon posted:Is there a word yet for the intense but irrational desire to beat people to death with their selfie sticks? Nerd hyperbole.
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Cartoon posted:Is there a word yet for the intense but irrational desire to beat people to death with their selfie sticks?
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Cartoon posted:Is there a word yet for the intense but irrational desire to beat people to death with their selfie sticks? Come at me  If you can get your dusty rear end up here
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Cartoon posted:Is there a word yet for the intense but irrational desire to beat people to death with their selfie sticks? im sure you'll enjoy this then http://i.imgur.com/Ny1Oh49.mp4
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Cartoon posted:Is there a word yet for the intense but irrational desire to beat people to death with their selfie sticks? I'm pretty sure "paragliding over the 13th tallest mountain in the world, while simultaneously smashing previous paragliding attempts" is the most appropriate time to use a selfie stick.
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Jun 25, 2017 12:57
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Nearly all photos with people in them are in some way selfies.
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Jun 25, 2017 15:42
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A photo of someone else is a youie.
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Joe Rogan recently had Jake B Evans and Bud Brutsman on his podcast and they get into Everest rescue missions a bit during the interview. I actually saw Jack Evans speak at a work convention several years back and he has some interesting stories.
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Selfies predate successful everest expeditions
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Epitope posted:Selfies predate successful everest expeditions As far as we know, self portraits predate all other forms of portrait photography. (And, of course, photography in general.)
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Picnic Princess posted:Honnold does what he does because he wants to and he's good at it. loving leave it at that already. And most likely this will kill him eventually; however, big loving deal. Human beings need people who like doing insanely difficult me borderline suicidal things.
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Epitope posted:Selfies predate successful everest expeditions Osky and Weeda sound like some new Star Wars characters.
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Hello dead thread I've seen a lot of book suggestions in this thread but I recently had a manga recommended to me by a friend that I had never heard suggested here before. It's named Kokou no Hito and it's about a super introverted guy that gets into climbing and sets the life goal to solo climb K2's untouched east face. It feels like your standard sports manga for the first fifth or fourth of it, but apparently the writer and artist had a falling out and it has an abrupt change of pace and style when the artist quits, after which it gets pretty heavy and depressing with lots of death and a sort of coming-of-age story for the protagonist. The art evolves as much as the story; it's kind of wonky at the start but quickly becomes insanely high quality and is filled with great images of mountain vistas.    One scene I particularly love, where he's attempting to summit Nanga Parbat at night time, and he keeps hearing avalanches in the darkness... you can't exactly draw it, so the artist visualizes it as skyscrapers collapsing in the distance.  The whole thing's inspired by the real life story of a Buntaro Kato, one of the first alpinists of Japan and who managed a ton of solo climbs of various Japanese mountains in both summer and winter seasons in the 1920s through to the late 30s, where... well, quote:Katō’s last visit to Yari was in January 1936. This time, a colleague, Yoshida Tomihisa, came with him. The abandonment of his solo ethos was not the only change in his life. A year or two previously, he’d got married. Now he came home every day to a real house instead of the grim company dormitory. “I’m back, Hana-chan,” he’d call out cheerily at the door. Soon he had a baby daughter to greet too.
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Minrad posted:Hello dead thread Hey thanks for this! I've started reading and I definitely see what you're saying about it being kinda typical cheesy manga. However it's still very entertaining and I look forward to the evolution in the story and art style - those pictures you posted are amazing.
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Hi all, we're trying to resurrect the SA Goodreads group and have just finished a few books on Everest, which I'd love to discuss with people. He's a link to the group and thread if any of you have Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/18811955-everest-mountaineering
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Despite being roughly half the size of Everest, Mont Blanc has a competitive death toll.quote:Saint-Gervais mayor warns that people who try to climb France’s highest mountain without proper kit face fines after series of deaths and accidents quote:After the death of the French man, Lt Col Stéphane Bozon, of the mountain gendarmes at Chamonix, told journalists the climber had been wearing “only trail equipment”, including shoes that would have been more appropriate for “a grandmother walking in the town”.
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Hey, kids, who wants to visit the corridor of death?
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quote:Now, he is asking the French government to send more gendarmes up into the mountains to enforce the rules. I think I've seen mention of these gendarme guys in route descriptions "You can descend off the ridge under these features, if you are not equipped for fifth class travel"
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