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Solus posted:I'm just saying, Rovert doing his usual vagueness shtick is super weird when it's about domestic violence and not wrestlescoops The only person being vague here is you. What am I being vague about? I was replying to the quote from Paige's brother. MotU realised that. You are trolling me in two separate threads here currently. Please stop.
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Jerusalem posted:It's not an unreasonable assumption to make, and goes to demonstrate how quick most people are to try and find alternative reasons for bruises rather than consider that actual physical abuse is happening (which is part of the reason people are able to get away with it). Sure as domestic abuse is up there with the worst thing you can do and people would prefer ADR to be just be a rogue rather what he most likely is now given the events of this weekend. But still I hold my point knowing other female wrestlers who were victims of domestic violence. People need to be less dismissive of the typical signs of domestic abuse just because of what their profession is.
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Jerusalem posted:It's not an unreasonable assumption to make, and goes to demonstrate how quick most people are to try and find alternative reasons for bruises rather than consider that actual physical abuse is happening (which is part of the reason people are able to get away with it). People don't tend to want to admit that someone they are friends with / are close with is an abuser/murderer/thief etc because their initial reaction is to think that it would reflect badly on them as a person too. It's a saving face thing in my experience.
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rovert posted:Nope. What's the scoop here anyway? Previously in this thread I did say the relationship has all the signs of domestic abuse but should be obvious to most. I posted the bruises to her body and her cutting out her closest friends. Various people reported various incidents over the past two years. Yeah, everyone knew that. What was the point of going "I told you so"
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What I remember is del Rio got stabbed and Rovert pointed out Paige had bruises on her arms after the stabbing. And since there wasn't a police report, we can kind of infer what happenee and how long this goes back with the info we do have now.
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rovert posted:People need to be less dismissive of the typical signs of domestic abuse just because of what their profession is. Solus posted:People don't tend to want to admit that someone they are friends with / are close with is an abuser/murderer/thief etc because their initial reaction is to think that it would reflect badly on them as a person too. It's a saving face thing in my experience.  It's a far more dramatic situation to be sure, but the recent 10th anniversary thread on the Benoit murders/suicide brought up a lot of similar mental gymnastics stuff that people (including myself) were going through to try and give Benoit some kind of "out" so we wouldn't have to face up to what he did.
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Wasn't ADR getting booked on Paige's families shows (and they worked in Mexico not that long ago with him)? And now they talk like they've known he's a piece of poo poo for a long time? Weird. To be clear, I'm saying that her family seems weird and scummy (no surprise) not that I think ADR isn't doing it. Also, I think it's really loving weird to assume someone is being abused if they have some bruises on them and then act like someone is silently supporting abuse if they don't assume that. I don't think anyone here was thinking "wow, I just love ADR so much I'm going to refuse to face the possibility" given that there have been about 5000 posts about what a stupid rear end in a top hat he is in this very thread.
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At least in my opinion, the bookings always felt more like favors to Paige. Regardless of how the relationship was doing at the time of an event, the event was always a chance for Paige to both support her family by being there for one of their shows, and attend one of his matches (a thing she hasn't really gotten to do much post-WWE, at least in TNA/GFW, where the only time I really recall her being mentioned as being backstage or ringside was Slammiversary)
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I am curious, if the brother's statement is actually indicative of the family's feelings, as to what made them do an about face, as before they were taking a similar stance of all of this is just crazy talk. I would assume just more suggestive evidence of abuse and further limiting of contact.
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Marquis de Pyro posted:Also, I think it's really loving weird to assume someone is being abused if they have some bruises on them and then act like someone is silently supporting abuse if they don't assume that. I don't think anyone here was thinking "wow, I just love ADR so much I'm going to refuse to face the possibility" given that there have been about 5000 posts about what a stupid rear end in a top hat he is in this very thread. That's why I said it wasn't an unreasonable assumption to make, but as noted by others closer scrutiny indicates the bruising was inconsistent with most physical training of the type she was undergoing. People tend not to make that closer scrutiny because it's far preferable to imagine abuse isn't happening rather than confront it. It's not a matter or supporting or endorsing ADR, but just preferring not to consider that he's THAT kind of rear end in a top hat as opposed to just being a tremendous gently caress-up.
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Marquis de Pyro posted:Also, I think it's really loving weird to assume someone is being abused if they have some bruises on them and then act like someone is silently supporting abuse if they don't assume that. I don't think anyone here was thinking "wow, I just love ADR so much I'm going to refuse to face the possibility" given that there have been about 5000 posts about what a stupid rear end in a top hat he is in this very thread. Good thing no one is actually saying that then.
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Midnightghoul posted:I am curious, if the brother's statement is actually indicative of the family's feelings, as to what made them do an about face, as before they were taking a similar stance of all of this is just crazy talk. I would assume just more suggestive evidence of abuse and further limiting of contact. There have definitely been at least some examples before of family members being hesitant or not supportive at best. Example, her dad
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i think abuse is dumb assed. but if you silently support it, that is up to you, and i wont find out about it.
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When I was 18 I found out my former neighbor had been beating his wife and kids for years. We hadn't lived near them for 6 or 7 years, but my parents had kept in touch and when the mom finally got the courage to leave, she called my dad to let him know in the event anything had happened to me the many times I was at their house (it didn't and I never saw anything at all). It had been going on for almost 15 years I guess. In retrospect it made perfect sense because the lady was always super nervous anytime anything got spilled or a mess was made at the house and she was always very quiet. The whole neighborhood had loved the abuser. He never exhibited anything aggressive at all at cookouts or other neighborhood things. Was always really fun and outgoing. Everyone was shocked to find out. It really made me aware of the subtle signs associated with it. I just hope she gets the help she needs because it's pretty evident that she needs to get away from him as soon as possible.
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The thing to take into account about ADR getting booked by Paiges family is that when he was, that Paige would come over with him, and that for various reasons she wasn't able to come over on her own. Also worth remembering when the whole stabbing thing happened her brother was there at the time.
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Chris James 2 posted:There have definitely been at least some examples before of family members being hesitant or not supportive at best. Example, her dad i can get employed as a dental assistant? that is a twist!
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i can get employed as a dental assistant? that is a twist! It took me a second the first time to notice it was sponsored content, and I was trying to figure out if there was some hidden message I wasn't getting 
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Jerusalem posted:It took me a second the first time to notice it was sponsored content, and I was trying to figure out if there was some hidden message I wasn't getting I found the hidden message 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:
Brits caring about their teeth now is quite the plot twist.
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C. Everett Koop posted:Brits caring about their teeth now is quite the plot twist. Something's going on here.
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Phenix Rising posted:Jeff Hardy's issues were pretty big, too, weren't they? I can't recall how much mainstream attention it got outside of the wrestling bubble but he was in rough loving shape for a while and has received a few "second chances" over the years. Yeah, but the movie may make Paige more mainstream. I say that like the film won't be a huge piece of poo poo that flops, audiences ignore and critics revile. But it might not! (It will) As for Brad Maddox, I can see any number of reasons a family can see Brad, 9 years older than Paige, as been a bad influence on her. Would be unsurprising if he was amongst the many who fueled what some regard as her burgeoning alcoholism.
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quote:Roy Knight posted the audio from the airport altercation between the two and added: maybe it's because i just got off work and i'm tired, but i've read this a couple of times and i think i still need a translation for that last part in bold. is he saying del rio is trying to get paige fired? does that mean paige would prefer to stay in wwe?
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Mulaney Power Move posted:maybe it's because i just got off work and i'm tired, but i've read this a couple of times and i think i still need a translation for that last part in bold. is he saying del rio is trying to get paige fired? does that mean paige would prefer to stay in wwe? Yes. Del Rio has been cutting promos going after WWE at the end,of every GFW show recently to the point they're hiding mics from him.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:maybe it's because i just got off work and i'm tired, but i've read this a couple of times and i think i still need a translation for that last part in bold. is he saying del rio is trying to get paige fired? does that mean paige would prefer to stay in wwe? Del Rio hates WWE for numerous reasons (definitely at least some of them justified) Paige has been public about training to come back to in-ring action throughout her injury recovery, and obviously that's easier to do with WWE, where she's still under contract. When contract expires or if she's fired after another failed drug test, there's no guarantee she'd go to GFW or some place like SHIMMER or ROH's Women of Honor, and honestly it's probably safer to not risk that She obviously has reason to hate them, including the Wellness failures (at least one of which she's maintained wasn't legitimate and protested), but she loves wrestling and it's the easiest place to do that in. It seems like the only thing the company really has against her is they want her and Del Rio to not be together, which given recent events I don't blame them for
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Mulaney Power Move posted:does that mean paige would prefer to stay in wwe? Testekill posted:I'd say that the WWE needs to get Paige on the road just for her sake but even then that'll end poorly.
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Mulaney Power Move posted:maybe it's because i just got off work and i'm tired, but i've read this a couple of times and i think i still need a translation for that last part in bold. is he saying del rio is trying to get paige fired? does that mean paige would prefer to stay in wwe? Thats exactly how I read it. She has to want to go back in at least a small way. Abusers isolate their partners and there's pretty much no way he could keep his hold on her with the WWE schedule being what it is, as well.
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rovert posted:Nope. What's the scoop here anyway? Previously in this thread I did say the relationship has all the signs of domestic abuse but should be obvious to most. I posted the bruises to her body and her cutting out her closest friends. Various people reported various incidents over the past two years. Wait 2 years? They've been together for just over a year. Is there something beyond Alberto?
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I used to enjoy coming to this thread. Then it got loving sad. Now I just want ADR to get his poo poo pushed in and Saraya to get some drat help.
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dayjib posted:Wait 2 years? They've been together for just over a year. Is there something beyond Alberto? Sorry my mistake. It is more than just over a year though. Closer to 18 months or so without looking it up.
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rovert posted:Sorry my mistake. It is more than just over a year though. Closer to 18 months or so without looking it up. Yeah fair. Remember people saying it was the UK tour time. Before that it was that guy everyone hated from Tough Enough
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Mr. Carlisle posted:I mean, we have had that gif of Del Rio grabbing her by the neck for how long now? Dudes don't normally grab their loved one by the neck and threaten them in front of people as a playful thing. you just don't understand Mexican passion.
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