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Morrow posted:As one of those frigates, I'm pretty sure my ship can't take 25 missiles to the face, but I'm down for it. That's what I'm hoping for really. Charge the lone missiles destroyer with our scout actives on. Eat maybe 20 missiles. Then bam you forgot about our two frigates. Maybe he gets one of them. A frigate and a scout for a destroyer and four troop transports?
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I think its likely the IC actives already have detected all three of those ships. As they know which class our scout ships are I would guess the destroyer would split its fire between the frigates rather than wasting shots on the scout.
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Good luck convincing the ships to do that. Maybe if we were Earth we could have our Space Gestapo Political Officers start executing officers until they found one willing to carry out the order, but I doubt there are many Martian captains who would intentionally commit suicide because maybe the exchange ratio will come out favorable for Mars. And if there are, I dunno how many crews wouldn't mutiny when they learned the plan. Dying in the line of duty is what they signed up for (or were conscripted for), yes. But they're still people, and people don't fly into intentionally suicidal scenarios without very powerful motivation. If we were asking them to, like, distract the IC long enough for a civilian evac ship to get away, or to save a bunch of other Martians, they'd do it without hesitation. But making the post-battle spreadsheet look good for the brass isn't the best motivator. Plus, yeah, I'm sure the IC sees them all by now and even if we do kill the troop transports.... so what? The only battle that matters is the space battle anyways. Either we win in space and get to run down the troop transports anyways, or we lose our entire fleet and the theater's over anyways. If you kill the troop transports now, the only thing that changes is the IC nukes Triton from orbit instead of invading it in the "they win" case. If they don't win, we just wasted a scout and some frigates to pointlessly kill some transports 10 hours earlier than we would've otherwise. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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Saros posted:+ Faster and more capable ships ton for ton than Earth. I think it's a worthwhile sacrifice. If we blow up or manage to hold the iron ladies hostage we've hosed up whatever plan they have to take Neptune.
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Jul 7, 2017 16:27
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They just switch to Operation Nuke Everything Vaguely Martian Looking From Orbit Until the Civilians Surrender or Die
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Jul 7, 2017 16:41
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Crazycryodude posted:They just switch to Operation Nuke Everything Vaguely Martian Looking From Orbit Until the Civilians Surrender or Die Can they meaningfully maintain control like that without a permanent commitment of forces?
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 Fray posted:So did our hidden frigates reveal themselves or not? If they did, might as well join them to the main body. There are two frigates escorting the scout Observed peril positioned between the IC spearhead and the Transports. The other two are with the main Triton defense force. Pash posted:As long as something is repairable with the dockyards coming to us it will be worth repairing for us. At least until command tells us not to. Takes a lot longer to build a ship than make some wreak slightly functional. Pretty much this, shipbuilding takes ages but repairing much less so especially as many components are modular and can be prefabricated. Affi posted:So we're all sitting tight even though they have a range advantage to us? The Ford class can't carry *that* many reloads in total and they are likely saving them for the PDC (that they just moved into active range of) but the carrier probably has armament for at least a few sorties, especially now half their fighters are gone. Affi posted:I think we have two frigates escorting our scout ship? Those two against a Marissa Meyer? Might be worth losing both to have a shot at four defenceless iron ladies? The brave charge might work, at the moment the Cruiser and other DD are moving to join the spearhead but there is only a single Marissa Mayer with 50 missiles left to defend the transports. You have two frigates and fleet scout. However the frigates might not have enough missiles to do a lot of damage to the transports after taking down the Mayer (if they even could). The marines all are far insystem between Saturn and Uranus commerce raiding but if you can stall the IC forces they could be recalled. I'm not going to give exact numbers for any sides fleets at this point but you are working with about 15% of the total Martian fleet with a bias towards lighter combatants. Pash posted:I think its likely the IC actives already have detected all three of those ships. As they know which class our scout ships are I would guess the destroyer would split its fire between the frigates rather than wasting shots on the scout. It's quite possible the IC hasn't seen the frigates and is only tracking them from the scout's active emissions as they have stayed at long range and the IC sensors are generally designed to resolve larger vessels.
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Saros posted:The brave charge might work, at the moment the Cruiser and other DD are moving to join the spearhead but there is only a single Marissa Mayer with 50 missiles left to defend the transports. You have two frigates and fleet scout. However the frigates might not have enough missiles to do a lot of damage to the transports after taking down the Mayer (if they even could). How long would it take to get the marines back, just out of curiosity? I think they are doing a good job out there so I'm not sure its worth taking them back. I think the missile capacity issue with the frigates makes it not worth the gambit of throwing them against the Mayer. I think we should have them try to circle around and rejoin the main fleet. Also I would say moving the anti-fighter frigates in the main fleet closer to the enemy fleet to intercept the fighter might be a good idea. They are missile fighters so they are not actually closing to where our frigates would engage them. Move them off to be somewhere in between our fleet and their fleet. Their small size will most likely protect them from enemy detection, and they won't want to waste their alpha strike on the frigates anyway. Pash fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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xthetenth posted:Can they meaningfully maintain control like that without a permanent commitment of forces? No, but glassing the place is preferable to leaving our main (and only) outer system fleet base intact. poo poo, killing the troop transports and then losing the space battle is probably the worst thing we can do, because the IC's only option is then to nuke the place until there's nothing left for us.
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Crazycryodude posted:No, but glassing the place is preferable to leaving our main (and only) outer system fleet base intact. poo poo, killing the troop transports and then losing the space battle is probably the worst thing we can do, because the IC's only option is then to nuke the place until there's nothing left for us. Honestly their main goal is probably just to cut off our fuel source. All they need to do to do that is blow up the harvesters around Neptune. They could ignore Triton completely and it would still be devastating to our war effort.
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 3 April, 0707hrs  The IC spearhead closes to 124m km from Triton. The Martian fighters move to rejoin Triton fleet which is repositioning itself between triton and the IC forces. Victory continues to fall back to Triton for repairs. 3 April 0852hrs  Triton fleet reaches its assigned point. 62m km from the IC spearhead and they slow to a glacial 500kps, they are barely out of maximum range of the Trident PDC.  Lt-General Yellerbill aboard the Don't forget to breathe is the senior officer after the unfortunate demise of General Mukaikubo. 3 April, 0917hrs  The fleet falls back towards Triton to keep the range open and draw the IC into combat range of the PDC.  Far back, 400m km from Tirton the Observed peril is, well, observing. 3 April, 0922hrs  Falling back seems to have worked, the IC spearhead returns to closing at 2300kps. It's less than a million km from Max PDC range at this point... Saros fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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Jul 7, 2017 17:39
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Dunno enough about how combat in this game works, but is it possible for them to "kite" the PDC missiles by provoking an attack from just within range and then falling back?
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GunnerJ posted:Dunno enough about how combat in this game works, but is it possible for them to "kite" the PDC missiles by provoking an attack from just within range and then falling back? I don't know, they would probably need info on our exact max range to do this anyway. Also our PDC has 450 missiles so if they start doing this we can probably stop shooting before we run out of ammo.
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Jul 7, 2017 17:51
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Yeah it's possible, but they'd have to know the exact range of our missiles, and if we see them do it we can just stop shooting. Also, of course today is the one day I'm traveling and can't watch the Discord. God the waiting sucks
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This is all you have missed so far.Saros posted:
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Jul 7, 2017 18:17
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I say go for it! Send our two frigates to fight the Marissa Meyer! Have them wonder if they need to defend their transports! Also do we want to fire the second they are in range or maybe wait a little while?
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Affi posted:I say go for it! Send our two frigates to fight the Marissa Meyer! Saros polled the Discord chat and I don't think anyone was pro the maneuver there. Specifically because the frigates weapons might get used up just trying to destroy the Mayer, let alone have enough firepower to destroy the transports afterwards. No use throwing away useful ships.
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Jul 7, 2017 19:55
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Where is this discord btw? In the OP there's a link to a discord, but it just seems to be a general aurora chat? Oh I see, there's two discords in the op. 
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Affi posted:I say go for it! Send our two frigates to fight the Marissa Meyer! At this point, we'll be better off bringing them into range of the fleet + PDC. The Frigates can lurk behind and wait for them to try and save their damaged warships and killsteal some high value targets.
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 3 April, 0807hrs  The main IC force continues to close with Triton. The defense fleet falls back to draw them further into PDC range.  300m km back the invasion force closes slowly. 3 April, 0930hrs  The PDC locks and goes to rapid fire targeting the two cruisers with the fleet.  At roughly the same time the ships split with the presumed direct fire ships closing at 2300kps.  Misiles away! 3 April 1015hrs   The Marissa mayer missile boats peel away at 55m km from the Triton fleet and the rest of the ships increas speed to over 3200kps!  The Bill gates also switches on its actives. 3 April, 1026hrs  Ten minutes later the first PDC missile salvoes pass the Triton fleet to the cheers of the crew!  Thirty seconds later however... 115 size three missiles are spotted incoming. Clearly presents from the Mayers. 3 April, 1028hrs   Light cruiser Maskirovka with Colonel Pharnakes is the primary target of the salvo and despite the task forces defenses shooting dow 36 missile and her dodging another 19 she takes nearly fifty hits and is left a tumbling wreck. Luckily Colonel Pharnakes and 33 survivors make it to lifepods on time. Another 110 crew are missing presumed dead however.  Colonel Bozikeks Naimoi is lightly damaged by hits but her armor takes the blows. 3 April, 1107hrs  Half an hour later its time for some revenge as the PDC missiles close.  Worryingly an enormous barrage of fire meets the first salvo and all are destroyed before closing to range. The second salvo suffers the same fate. However the third seems to catch many of the larger weapons cycling and sneaks four hits through.  The fouth does even better, blowing down the Zuckerberg's shields and tearing into her armor.  Another three salvoes and the Zuckerberg is streaming atmosphere from rents in her hull but soldiers gamey on.  The 11th and final salvo directed at her gets only a single hit and the ship remains intact. Damage is unknown but she definitely took several hits through her armor. 3 April, 1114hrs  The next salvo switches to the Bill Gates class and there is a definite slackening in the PD volume.  Hit after hit is racked up.  Soon the Bill Gates is also streaming atmosphere from her hull as nuclear fire finds it's way into her interior spaces.  However the Gates survives as well and the IC ships turn back towards the Martian fleet.  The last few salvoes are heading for the fleeing Marissa Mayer missile boats. However they run out of fuel as the missile boats have retreated out of range. 3 April, 1131hrs   Alert! 11 fighter contacts closing fast! Same contacts as earlier, looks like they have rearmed. 3 April, 1135hrs   The missile destroyers and cruiser target and begin to fire upon the Zuckerberg.  The enemy fighters are leading the other ships by 10m km. 3 April, 1146hrs  A large salvo of 100 fighter missiles is spotted incoming fast.  Thirty are shot down and another twenty miss but 54 hit CL Naiomi and she staggers as nuclear fire engulfs her.  Remarkably, no casualties despite the destruction of a crew quarters and most of her armor. Col. Bozikek thanks his luck as the damaged ship is ordered to turn for home. 3 April, 1158hrs  It's soon time for payback as the missiles from the Triton force close on the Zuckerberg.  For some reason PD fire is much less effective this time around. The Zuckerbergs shields are also running lower than earlier, some generators must have been damaged in the previous PDC attacks.  12 hits in a single salvo takes her shields down!  Soon the canned sunshine is digging deeply into her.  Suddenly she staggers and slows to 1600kps, engines flaring out.  The next salvo pounces and her reactor begins to give way.   CG Long Rifle claims the kill. Roughly half the missile stocks of the fleet remain. Saros fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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How much paint will it take to paint a Zuckerberg on the side of my ship?
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sniper4625 posted:How much paint will it take to paint a Zuckerberg on the side of my ship? 
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Wow, I didn't think I would survive the missle salvo in my I am truly the best spaceman.
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So how many more missiles do we have in store on Triton? I'm thinking we might lose this because they brought more reloads.
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I don't have a very good feel for the balance of forces here.
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The PDC has internal stores for 485 missiles, and based on this shot it looks as though it fired all of its internal stores. So with our PDC empty for the time being I feel it might be time to press the attack now that the IC box launchers are all heading for a reload from their carriers and tenders, and their main close range ships look to be wrecked. Then again we're down at least the flagship and two close range escorts, right? I have almost no idea how that makes the balance of forces look for us at this time. It just seems worse at the moment to be sitting around and waiting for their periodic massive waves of missiles that our PDC can't do much of anything about. seeing as their destroyers can withdraw outside of range after launching. StarFyter fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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That shot appears to show 65 missiles in flight so I'm not sure how to conclude from it that 485 missiles have been expended. What am I missing? Edit: oh, OK. \/\/\/ GunnerJ fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 13:30
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The PDC has depleted its internal stores and is being slowly reloaded. That shot hows the final few salvoes that were targeted on the Marissa Mayers instead of the IC cruisers.
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Ya, we need to pursue with our fleet, giving them time to reload is worse for us. We came out better in the exchange so far because of our mines, they have come out better in the ship shooting rounds. But they have now used their box launchers so we need to strike before they have a chance to reload. Additionally pull some of the marine ships back in case they make a mistake retreating with their transports and leave them open. We dont need all of them, maybe pull back half?
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It isn't safe being on any ship bigger than a light cruiser, glad I'm on a destroyer!
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Engage with our fleet while they try a reload. Our bigger vessels, say anything that isn't a destroyer should engage the IC combat vessels meanwhile we should try and loop any destroyers around the flanks and have them prioritize the enemy support vessels. This is going to eb a bloody and costly fight but even if both sides take massive losses we should still have vessels in the inner system while the IC should be out of their fleet.
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koolkevz666 posted:Engage with our fleet while they try a reload. Our bigger vessels, say anything that isn't a destroyer should engage the IC combat vessels meanwhile we should try and loop any destroyers around the flanks and have them prioritize the enemy support vessels. This is going to eb a bloody and costly fight but even if both sides take massive losses we should still have vessels in the inner system while the IC should be out of their fleet. I think we should keep all ships in the fight focused on the bigger theats. If we can catch them we have the numbers to win. We should focus on defeating the fleet first, the rest of that stuff is to slow to run away afterwards. Plus they still have reinforcements on route that were escorting their slower stuff.
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Yeah now is definitely the time to rush them with everything we've got, before the Meyers and Musk can reload. They've only got a handful of actual direct combat ships left, namely a Gates and some laser destroyers. We can 100% take them as long as we stay concentrated, and then tear apart the support vessels/empty missile ships at our leisure. Seconding the calls to bring a portion of the raiders back in to try for an intercept as those transports and friends retreat. Ideally this includes the assault carrier to try and capture another ship or two if possible.
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Crazycryodude posted:Yeah now is definitely the time to rush them with everything we've got, before the Meyers and Musk can reload. They've only got a handful of actual direct combat ships left, namely a Gates and some laser destroyers. We can 100% take them as long as we stay concentrated, and then tear apart the support vessels/empty missile ships at our leisure. What was that, Tsunetomo Yamamoto?  "“Even if it seems certain that you will lose, retaliate. Neither wisdom nor technique has a place in this. A real man does not think of victory or defeat. He plunges recklessly towards an irrational death. By doing this, you will awaken from your dreams"Awesome. They were dumb dreams anyway. Charge!
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 3 April, 1203hrs  The (new?) commander of the IC spearhead decides discretion is the better part of valor and beats a hasty retreat towards the rest of the IC fleet. -OOC note: You just plastered 'Isaac' the head of the IC force here, his subordinate, another Isaac and the third in command (also called Issac) are a bit more cowardly. No im afraid I don't know why all the top officers ended out being called Isaac I think it's just one of those things.  Things are a bit crowded.  General Dr Snark command of the fast ships and sets off in pursuit of the fleeing IC ships. 3 April, 1212hrs  As the two forces begin to separate a sudden contact springs onto the screens a bit over a million km north!  Fifty-five enormous missiles, Inbound to Triton!  The missiles burn past ignoring the outgoing ships...  However CL Naiomi is still in a position to intercept!  The fleets sensors lose the missiles and CL Naomi desperately begins to run a search pattern... Unfortunately it's not meant to be, Naiomi fails to detect the missiles and they pass silently. Cursing, the now commander Yellerbill calls up Triton base and alerts them they have incoming. .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUsLlFjKQHY Alarms ring across Triton's settlements as incoming nuclear weapons are confirmed. 3 April 1331hrs  After an hour the IC transports turn and head for Uranus. The rest of their fleet seems to be consolidating however.  Interestingly at about the same time the Elon Musk clas missile cruiser drops out of formations and basically stops. It is 127m km from Triton, Tactical suggests it may be at its maximum sensor range and can't go any further and still provide guidance to the missiles heading for Triton...  The Marine ships are still loitering around commerce raiding. Command orders half to move to position to intercept ships retreating from the battle off Triton, this will take several days. The Marine assault transport is also still docked at Triton Fleet base. It will be ordered to move up and attempt to capture any damaged ships.  Triton defense fleet is only very slowly overhauling the retreating IC ships.  However the slower element is only moving at 2300kps and the Elon Musk is motionless. If they wish to protect the Elon Musk they will have to give battle sooner rather than later.
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So what I'm seeing here is, there's a very good chance that killing that Elon Musk will blind the IC's strategic missile targeting?
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Hopefully. Oh god, I hope so. I really, really don't want to find out what a second salvo of those can do (or maybe, if we're really fast, we can even stop the first salvo). Those things look like loving monster missiles. If Triton hasn't been turned into a fine mist by the time we're in range of the Musk, it has to be priority #1.
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I guess if it's any consolation, we couldn't possibly have planned for this, I don't think. Like did they disappear because they have cloaking or something?
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The Naomi didn't have a sensor fine enough to pick them up, I think. Even at ranges that close unless you've got one of the massive specialized missile warning sensors it's really easy to miss them. It was the only ship in range to even attempt an intercept, though, but oh well at least we tried. We've still got a chance to stop them if we can rush the Musk, looking closer at the maps we can just barely squeak into range and get a salvo or two off before the missiles are hitting Triton.
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Saros posted:General Dr Snark command of the fast ships and sets off in pursuit of the fleeing IC ships. Well boys, I'm either going to murder the poo poo out of that IC fleet or die trying. For Triton, even if no one has died just yet!
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