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El Gallinero Gros posted:Well, that and like a few notable players from the era, he didn't take care of himself. He was an alcoholic (one of his nicknames was "the Sousepaw", as if Rube wasn't enough of a dickish nickname), and he wrestled alligators during the off-season. It's impossible to diagnose a man who's been dead 100 years, but all the Waddell stories suggest something like autism. Though the tales aren't true of him chasing fire engines from the mound. Probably one of the more questionable HOF picks ever, too. His strikeout figures were amazing. He burned out way too early on everything else. His own fault, too, an incident over hat that saw him injure his shoulder.
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Sydin posted:You joke but I bet Maddon's already left a dozen drunk messages at 3am asking for Coghlan. I'm just laughing imagining the chump tasked with calling actual baseball managers and offering those four. Liriano is cashed, Estrada appears to be hopelessly broken, Joe Smith... has been quite good out of the Jays pen this year, but as I write this he's still on the DL with Mystery Shoulder, and Jose Bautista is Jose Bautista. Unless some other pitching staff somewhere has figured out what's wrong with Estrada and is confident they can fix him, I really can't think who'd be interested in any of them.
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shadok posted:I'm just laughing imagining the chump tasked with calling actual baseball managers and offering those four. Liriano is cashed, Estrada appears to be hopelessly broken, Joe Smith... has been quite good out of the Jays pen this year, but as I write this he's still on the DL with Mystery Shoulder, and Jose Bautista is Jose Bautista. Unless some other pitching staff somewhere has figured out what's wrong with Estrada and is confident they can fix him, I really can't think who'd be interested in any of them. I could see a team maybe being interested in Liriano for the bullpen but I don't think it would bring a great return
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My dumb terrible team made a very high quality GOT video of San Francisco for Game of Thrones Night, but only posted it on facebook, so I can't embed it, so here's a news article if you care that has the video embedded in it. http://www.sacbee.com/sports/mlb/san-francisco-giants/article157664689.html
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Your Taint posted:Theo gave up on Schwarber awfully quick. A year ago we wouldn't trade him for Chapman and now he's offering him up in trades. Probably because he's spent that year absolutely sucking. Niwrad posted:I love Schwarber but I didn't understand the attachment to him. His 2015 was great but there were red flags and it was highly unlikely he would be able to replicate it long term. For all the "beefy lad" love he gets here I think his weight is definitely a risk factor. If he's 250+ at 24 it's going to be very hard for him to keep in reasonable shape when he gets older and his metabolism slows down.
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Niwrad posted:I love Schwarber but I didn't understand the attachment to him. His 2015 was great but there were red flags and it was highly unlikely he would be able to replicate it long term. I think Schwarber looked like he was transforming into the best version of himself when he first came up. He looked great in the minors and, obviously, had some amazing initial success. At this point, the Cubs have another group of potentially good young players they can use soon so it makes Schwarber look a little disposable. He could very well do the Rizzo thing and use more AAA experience to figure out what he needs to do to be a good MLB hitter but, at the moment, the Cubs need to focus on winning and they have some young talent to spare. It's not so much that I've soured on Schwarber, it's just that he has to be a pretty darn good hitter to justify keeping him. He's certainly a much better fit for an AL team. In theory, the Cubs have the bats to compete. tadashi fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Julio Cruz posted:For all the "beefy lad" love he gets here I think his weight is definitely a risk factor. If he's 250+ at 24 it's going to be very hard for him to keep in reasonable shape when he gets older and his metabolism slows down. And it's not like the weight is new; he's put more on every single year (I mean, I thought he was fat as hell when I saw him at Kane County, and looking back he was positively svelte compared to now). Dude is not in particularly good shape unless that shape is round. Ultimately, though, I think even the most moronic GMs in the league like Duquette or Preller can see that if Schwarber ever sticks in the majors, it's going to be as a DH, and that combined with his performance this year means that Epstein and Hoyer don't have a ton of trade leverage. Timby fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Julio Cruz posted:For all the "beefy lad" love he gets here I think his weight is definitely a risk factor. If he's 250+ at 24 it's going to be very hard for him to keep in reasonable shape when he gets older and his metabolism slows down. He definitely has the looks of a future Sandoval but at least his game is "giant dude who hits the crap out of the ball" as opposed to "giant dude who is somehow agile despite that and is a slap hitter" But yes he should probably be a DH Intruder fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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I'd be sad to see him go. Schwarbs is my boy. But if it's for the greater good, I trust Theo and Co to do the right thing. Also, Sammy Sosa now looks like a giant eraser. Doesn't he have that skin condition that Michael Jackson had? https://twitter.com/Dante_Jordan/status/885380291853811712
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Not Donaldson? They have one more on him. Smith, Jose, etc. they only have for the rest of this season.
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Your Taint posted:I'd be sad to see him go. Schwarbs is my boy. But if it's for the greater good, I trust Theo and Co to do the right thing. I always thought he was photoshopping himself to be whiter 
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The Berzerker posted:They have one more on him. Smith, Jose, etc. they only have for the rest of this season. According to Fangraphs, the deal he's on ends at the end of this year. Watch the Jays just let him walk for nothing, like the Yankees did with Cano.
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That's Sammy Sosa. Yes, THE Sammy Sosa. And this that is his pintrest.
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Inspector_666 posted:According to Fangraphs, the deal he's on ends at the end of this year. Spotrac has him at ARB4 for 2018 which I guess happens when you're super 2? e: Wait he's been in the league way too long for that 
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Inspector_666 posted:According to Fangraphs, the deal he's on ends at the end of this year. His deal is up, but he's still arbitration eligible for one more year. He won't be walking.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/885520101251874816 That's a package alright
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umm well alright uhh going to need some time to process that
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I'm just shocked that none of the big writers had this first, the team account scooped them!
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I don't know who any of those prospects are
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Not Donaldson? If the rumours are true, a full teardown and rebuild is off the table, so Donaldson, Stroman and Osuna are not for sale. JA Happ might be if the price is right.
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IcePhoenix posted:I don't know who any of those prospects are Jimenez and Cease are pretty high-up prospects for us (Jimenez our top prospect at this point now that Happ is up). I like this deal though.
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eloy is one of the top hitting prospects in the minors cease was probably the cubs best pitching prospect but a couple of years from being up. rhp. rest are blah e: this trade is exactly what a trade should be, i think. quintana is perfect for the cubs.
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Abel Wingnut posted:eloy is one of the top hitting prospects in the minors Yeah, I really like this for both sides. Quintana through 2020 is really nice, and we gave up the appropriate amount of potential future talent for a better opportunity now.
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I saw Quintana pitch last month and he went 7 innings and looked great. Gonna miss the guy. I see these guys are a ways away from making the majors which is fine because Sox aren't going to be good until 2019
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Carlosologist posted:https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/885520101251874816 Dafuq?
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Thought for sure we would hold onto Cease. Dat White Sox farm system.
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Abel Wingnut posted:umm well alright Yeah, about three years
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Intruder posted:Didn't see that coming Yeah that came out of nowhere. Don't know if we overpaid a bit with our top 2 prospects. One, sure. But both?
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Very impressed there were basically no rumors about this. Wonder if Hahn just took the red line to Addison to hash things out.
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The last time I remember the Cubs making a July trade for a White Sox pitcher, they coughed up Jon Garland for Matt loving Karchner.
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further, this means schwarber is staying. he is the lf of the future. liking this more and more
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more important: https://twitter.com/ReporterDarius/status/885526411448070152
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Your Taint posted:Don't know if we overpaid a bit with our top 2 prospects. One, sure. But both? The Cubs already have way too many outfielders, so I'm not too worried about losing Eloy. The Cubs need starting pitching NOW and Cease isn't gonna be able to do that. Theo's always been a guy who builds position players up on the farm and acquires pitchers through free agency anyway.
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Abel Wingnut posted:further, this means schwarber is staying. he is the lf of the future. Quintana is also incredibly cheap through 2020 so while the Sox certainly got a haul, even if the wheels come off the bus completely within the next few years it's not like the Cubs won't have some very sellable pieces for a quick rebuild.
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