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Tired Moritz posted:mmmm people who overreact are scum? idk but Jam had also been on a losing streak so maybe I'm just more likely to overlooked their behavior. i mean, yeah. scum have to lie if they want to stay active. hyperbole is the softest kind of lie. having an exaggerated reaction to a small amount of suspicion is inherently scummy. consider it from this angle. i said that, in my first scum game, i did the random roll to determine who to vote, and I voted my scum bud. So, I initially pointed a finger at Hog, but said that Jam was probably his scum bud. Since I was casing Hog, the only reason for Jam to intervene there is if I was right. Hog was my focal point here. If Hog flipped scum then I'd come after him next. Otherwise, why start an argument? If Hog flipped town I'd say 'ah gently caress oops' and move on, I wouldn't go back to Jam.
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After a few hours sleep, I'm starting to come around on Somber's case.Jamuraan posted:OMGUS. Jamuraan posted:I'm vanilla town, your vote on me is meaningless, just like existence. Jamuraan posted:Cool projection and lynch chaining, scumbo. Jamuraan posted:Are you autistic? The more I contextualize his first few post, and the more I read his responses, the worse he starts to look. I'll go into more detail if anyone wants, but let's be real, nobody reads long posts. I'd almost say Jam looks like a defensive newbie town, but he is definitely not a newbie. This is probably as good of a D1 case as we're going to get. ##vote Jamuraan
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Jul 13, 2017 18:17
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On a mostly unrelated note: Hi, Jam. I don't know if we've ever played a game together before. What are your pronouns? Actually, what are everyone's pronouns? There's a few of you I haven't played with, and I'm sure someone isn't certain about at least one of us. I use she/her! (but I have a dick and make a lot of shitposts about it)
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Jul 13, 2017 18:20
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Somberbrero posted:that was the initial premise. I'm town The only person I feel at all comfortable voting for right now is Jamuraan, but that's only like a 30% maybe not even that. Somberbrero's at maybe 5% just for being so eager which doesn't mean much but there's not much else to go on d1 Also sus is peramene's line calling Cpig a liar which seemed to come out of nowhere Other than that, maybe a lurker?
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Jul 13, 2017 18:24
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Also I'm a he
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Jul 13, 2017 18:27
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i've come around on killing lurkers, i think it can be useful, but day one i feel like it leaves us with little to go on. again if someone has a better case, i'm all ears.
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Jul 13, 2017 18:28
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Jam's a goddamn lunatic is FFV was anything to go by. That said him being rude and throwing out slurs is consistent with his town behaviour in that game.
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Jul 13, 2017 18:50
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In the recent temple game town Jam was pretty much over-reacting to everything and throwing a fit the whole game which seems pretty much like what is happening here. The reason I am ok voting Somber right now is that I feel like I have seen exactly this sort of aggressive play from him as scum before where he just came in and tried to control the narrative from the start (which by the way is a cool way to play scum) so I am just going on that for now. I think Nazgul/Betrayer's pop in to vote me and pop out is also pretty suspicious but I just got through saying I missed playing with him in the discussion thread so my heart isn't in going after him D1
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Jul 13, 2017 18:52
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Jam's a goddamn lunatic is FFV was anything to go by. yeah exactly
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Jul 13, 2017 18:53
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Tired Moritz posted:it's d1, what do you expect? no, definitely not necessarily; i am basing my opinion almost solely on his reaction to somber's posting. I don't read anything into Hog's alignment because of that, i'd rather read his reaction in a vacuum at this point in the game
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Jul 13, 2017 18:53
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Jedit posted:Yeah, it's a surprise to me also. I'll have to try and do something, don't want to lurk all of day 1. tick tock
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Jul 13, 2017 18:55
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Question: From a metagame point of view, is that really a behavior that you want to reward? Is the doubt that he's not scum worth encouraging this in the future when he wants to look town?
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Jul 13, 2017 18:56
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To put it another way: "It's okay that he's being a lovely person because he's always a lovely person" may be technically accurate, but in a situation like this where there's some doubt, I'm going to err on the side of "stop being lovely".
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Jul 13, 2017 18:57
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PMush Perfect posted:Question: From a metagame point of view, is that really a behavior that you want to reward? Is the doubt that he's not scum worth encouraging this in the future when he wants to look town? Who are we referring to?
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Jul 13, 2017 18:57
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hal i dare you to cite your meta read with examples.
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Jul 13, 2017 19:01
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my last scum game i remember was Mary Celeste, where i tried to bus infi for being a lunatic, my team yelled at me for bussing, and then i checked out until endgame.
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Jul 13, 2017 19:02
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Somberbrero posted:hal i dare you to cite your meta read with examples. I knew that was coming! I can't, but I trust my vague memories to be correct.
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Jul 13, 2017 19:08
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Hal Incandenza posted:I knew that was coming! it's weird but now i vaguely recall this being your scumtell.
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Jul 13, 2017 19:10
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Hal Incandenza posted:I think Nazgul/Betrayer's pop in to vote me and pop out is also pretty suspicious but I just got through saying I missed playing with him in the discussion thread so my heart isn't in going after him D1 Yeah but then he popped back in with a joke explanation
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Jul 13, 2017 19:17
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Somberbrero posted:it's weird but now i vaguely recall this being your scumtell. Hahaha touche
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Jul 13, 2017 19:20
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OK, I am leaving for a bit but I should be able to get back on a good bit before deadline assuming I can figure out how to get wifi once I get where I am going.
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Jul 13, 2017 19:36
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Hal Incandenza posted:Who are we referring to?
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Jul 13, 2017 19:43
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PMush Perfect posted:Question: From a metagame point of view, is that really a behavior that you want to reward? Is the doubt that he's not scum worth encouraging this in the future when he wants to look town? i agree with your premise on the meta level, but it needs to be pointed out that it's purely meta; voting jam on this basis, in the "single mafia game" sense, is in no way alignment indicative this is obvious, but i'd like to point it out now
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Jul 13, 2017 20:01
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PMush Perfect posted:To put it another way: "It's okay that he's being a lovely person because he's always a lovely person" may be technically accurate, but in a situation like this where there's some doubt, I'm going to err on the side of "stop being lovely". ##unvote
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Jul 13, 2017 20:21
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peramene posted:##unvote
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Jul 13, 2017 20:23
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PMush Perfect posted:I'm not sure what this is supposed to convey here. Yes, you are. I echo FL's post. Jamuraan posted:Sorry if my autistic comment rubs anyone the wrong way, it was a joke. Regardless of wincon, you need to not lurk right now. This isn't an apology. PMush Perfect posted:Jam calling someone autistic. Neither of you took the time to name Somber in your posts. Jeabus Mahogany posted:Also sus is peramene's line calling Cpig a liar which seemed to come out of nowhere Hi, I'm Sara. I had a funny reply and forgot to hit post. My role PM indicates mechanics which I don't feel lend themselves to simple night phases, which is counter to cpig's stated goal.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:10
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sarapera why would you volunteer that information about your role? 
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Jul 13, 2017 21:12
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Reasons! Worry not.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:36
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peramene posted:Neither of you took the time to name Somber in your posts.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:37
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i assumed jam was complimenting my excellent detective skills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9vRmLUCn50
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Jul 13, 2017 21:41
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Hal Incandenza posted:tick tock I know, I know. Not been having a good day healthwise, fell asleep around 7pm local for two hours which has impeded my catching up. PMush Perfect posted:Question: From a metagame point of view, is that really a behavior that you want to reward? Is the doubt that he's not scum worth encouraging this in the future when he wants to look town? Not liking this train of thought much. It's using a non-game (or at best "future meta") argument to justify a push. You don't vote someone just because they're Town-aligned Shithead or because you don't like them personally.
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Jedit posted:Not liking this train of thought much. It's using a non-game (or at best "future meta") argument to justify a push. You don't vote someone just because they're Town-aligned Shithead or because you don't like them personally.
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Jedit posted:I know, I know. Not been having a good day healthwise, fell asleep around 7pm local for two hours which has impeded my catching up. That sucks. Feel better. PMush Perfect posted:I also think he's being defensive and scummy, I'm just saying that "he's always a lovely person" is not a defense, either for being either lovely, or scummy. I don't think this is super productive. Deadline is coming up. If people aren't going to vote Jam we need a viable alternate.
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Jul 13, 2017 23:07
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Tired Moritz posted:mmmm people who overreact are scum? idk but Jam had also been on a losing streak so maybe I'm just more likely to overlooked their behavior. I'm only on a losing streak because of players like you FYI
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Jul 13, 2017 23:10
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Jamuraan posted:I'm only on a losing streak because of players like you FYI i don't want to dogpile you but come on dude.
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Jul 13, 2017 23:12
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PMush Perfect posted:Somber's a cool guy, but "he called Somber autistic" implies that I was offended for Somber's sake, in a "he did something mean to someone I like" way. Nah, using autistic as an insult is lovely in any context. I was actually saying his post sounded like that of an autistic person.
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Jul 13, 2017 23:17
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Somberbrero posted:i don't want to dogpile you but come on dude. You actually do, keep it up, scumbo.
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Jul 13, 2017 23:18
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Jamuraan posted:I was actually saying his post sounded like that of an autistic person. PMush Perfect posted:Nah, using autistic as an insult is lovely in any context.
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Jul 13, 2017 23:20
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Hal Incandenza posted:Always, but I am already besties with Jam so are you ok with being second besties? Why are you buddying up with me here for no reason?
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It wasn't an insult, but you can choose to take it that way if you want.
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