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zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

:kimchi: Tater Love :kimchi:
https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/885357305268711424

Democrats!

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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

Fernando Cabrera needs a little backstory. He's a city councilman for a northern district in the Bronx. He's an evangelical minister, once worked for Focus on the Family, and is a hardcore theocrat. In other words, he's a Felder- or Diaz Sr.-style conversative Democrat. On two occasions (2014 and 2016) he primary challenged state senator Gustavo Rivera, a progressive Democrat who became the primary sponsor of NY Health when Bill Perkins left for the City Council. I'm not sure what his motivation was for Cabrera's first run, but I suspect it was because Jeff Klein doesn't like Rivera and wanted him out. The second time was because a group of charter school billionaires gave him and three challengers for State Assembly a bunch of money because their four targets voted against a charter school measure. Rivera won handily both times, and the charter school candidates went 0-for-4 in 2016. It was during his first challenge that people found out his homophobic past.

Currently, Rivera is trying to get his revenge and is supporting Randy Abreu as a primary challenger. He's supposedly progressive, but he's also fresh from DC, so that makes me a bit skeptical. Nonetheless, he also has the support of the WFP, which is always comes into play. There's also a socialist primary candidate named Justin Sanchez, but I've heard no word on whether DSA NYC has endorsed him (they've already endorsed two Brooklyn candidates, so there may be something behind this).

I want to believe Cabrera will be out on his rear end next year, but I have no idea about the district's trends.

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



CaptainPsyko posted:

Silver conviction overturned. Prosecutors have the option to try again. Except that there's no replacement for Preet to go through with it.

lmfao

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
Plunkitt did nothing wrong!

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

it's worth noting that last year's SCOTUS decision to narrow the definition of public corruption cases (a unanimous decision, not the usual 5-4 bullshit) is what got silver free

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

:kimchi: Tater Love :kimchi:
They didn't overturn on the merits, they overturned because of jury instructions. And they are going to retry.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




nobody should have to beg in this city. seems like even the biggest homeless hating piece of poo poo has an interest in solving the problem as much as the folks that care about their fellow man. idgi. hoping it gets cold enough to get them off the street each winter isn't a workable homeless policy but its all de blasio seems to have.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Real hurthling! posted:

nobody should have to beg in this city. seems like even the biggest homeless hating piece of poo poo has an interest in solving the problem as much as the folks that care about their fellow man. idgi. hoping it gets cold enough to get them off the street each winter isn't a workable homeless policy but its all de blasio seems to have.

Homelessness isn't something that a city can solve by itself. It's a societal problem that stems from the fact that we don't want to provide permanent housing to those that cannot afford it. How would YOU "fix homelessness?"

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Homelessness isn't something that a city can solve by itself. It's a societal problem that stems from the fact that we don't want to provide permanent housing to those that cannot afford it. How would YOU "fix homelessness?"

with houses and money taken from rich people at gunpoint

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Real hurthling! posted:

with houses and money taken from rich people at gunpoint

:agreed: But I don't think De Blasio has the ability to do that.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

:agreed: But I don't think De Blasio has the ability to do that.

Who's going to stop him? The police will be turning their backs on him anyway.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




i'm sitting here watching that million dollar listing show where dudes are selling 10 million dollar apartments that take the whole floor of a building that used to house hundreds of people and i'm thinking like yes there's surely no resources to shelter the 3-4 thousand people in this city with no means.

they got an entire block of the east village that they turned into only 85 units. good karma

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Real hurthling! posted:

i'm sitting here watching that million dollar listing show where dudes are selling 10 million dollar apartments that take the whole floor of a building that used to house hundreds of people and i'm thinking like yes there's surely no resources to shelter the 3-4 thousand people in this city with no means.

they got an entire block of the east village that they turned into only 85 units. good karma

This number is at least an order-and-a-half magnitude too small.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




the city estimates that there are only that many "rough sleepers" there are like 60k covered by the shelter system

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Real hurthling! posted:

the city estimates that there are only that many "rough sleepers" there are like 60k covered by the shelter system

I was counting people in the homeless shelter system as homeless, by definition. Current shelter's aren't intended to be permanent housing, afaik.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




i said

quote:

yes there's surely no resources to shelter the 3-4 thousand people in this city with no means.

i didn't say whatever you're arguing about.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Real hurthling! posted:

i said


i didn't say whatever you're arguing about.

Ah, my bad. You were talking about the people that weren't covered by the current shelter system. I was talking about the current total number of homeless people which includes the people in the shelter system.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




oh ok its late for me

Agnosticnixie
Jan 6, 2015
There's enough empty buildings in the city that have probably been sitting empty for years that you could house a chunk of them permanently if you just seized.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

get that OUT of my face posted:

Fernando Cabrera needs a little backstory. He's a city councilman for a northern district in the Bronx. He's an evangelical minister, once worked for Focus on the Family, and is a hardcore theocrat. In other words, he's a Felder- or Diaz Sr.-style conversative Democrat. On two occasions (2014 and 2016) he primary challenged state senator Gustavo Rivera, a progressive Democrat who became the primary sponsor of NY Health when Bill Perkins left for the City Council. I'm not sure what his motivation was for Cabrera's first run, but I suspect it was because Jeff Klein doesn't like Rivera and wanted him out. The second time was because a group of charter school billionaires gave him and three challengers for State Assembly a bunch of money because their four targets voted against a charter school measure. Rivera won handily both times, and the charter school candidates went 0-for-4 in 2016. It was during his first challenge that people found out his homophobic past.

Currently, Rivera is trying to get his revenge and is supporting Randy Abreu as a primary challenger. He's supposedly progressive, but he's also fresh from DC, so that makes me a bit skeptical. Nonetheless, he also has the support of the WFP, which is always comes into play. There's also a socialist primary candidate named Justin Sanchez, but I've heard no word on whether DSA NYC has endorsed him (they've already endorsed two Brooklyn candidates, so there may be something behind this).

I want to believe Cabrera will be out on his rear end next year, but I have no idea about the district's trends.

i'm not sure if there's really any way to eliminate the rot in ny and nj democrats short of cleansing flame, the machines here seem to be unbreakable

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

KomradeX posted:

So in yet another instance of the NYPD are the biggest man children in the world, a bunch of them turned their backs on DeBlasio again at the funeral for that cop that got shot, claiming he wasn't supporting them enough.

The new Praetorians.

grah
Jul 26, 2007
brainsss

get that OUT of my face posted:

Fernando Cabrera needs a little backstory. He's a city councilman for a northern district in the Bronx. He's an evangelical minister, once worked for Focus on the Family, and is a hardcore theocrat. In other words, he's a Felder- or Diaz Sr.-style conversative Democrat. On two occasions (2014 and 2016) he primary challenged state senator Gustavo Rivera, a progressive Democrat who became the primary sponsor of NY Health when Bill Perkins left for the City Council. I'm not sure what his motivation was for Cabrera's first run, but I suspect it was because Jeff Klein doesn't like Rivera and wanted him out. The second time was because a group of charter school billionaires gave him and three challengers for State Assembly a bunch of money because their four targets voted against a charter school measure. Rivera won handily both times, and the charter school candidates went 0-for-4 in 2016. It was during his first challenge that people found out his homophobic past.

Currently, Rivera is trying to get his revenge and is supporting Randy Abreu as a primary challenger. He's supposedly progressive, but he's also fresh from DC, so that makes me a bit skeptical. Nonetheless, he also has the support of the WFP, which is always comes into play. There's also a socialist primary candidate named Justin Sanchez, but I've heard no word on whether DSA NYC has endorsed him (they've already endorsed two Brooklyn candidates, so there may be something behind this).

I want to believe Cabrera will be out on his rear end next year, but I have no idea about the district's trends.

Cabrera is my councilman and he is a piece of crap. I cannot tell you how fast I signed to get Abreu on the ballot.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

Real hurthling! posted:

i said


i didn't say whatever you're arguing about.

Also, a nonzero portion of the homeless people not in the shelter system aren't not in there because of a lack of means. They tend to be the ones that resist the shelters, whether because of legitimate fears of violence/crime/conditions there, mental illness, or whatever.

It is arguably the portion of the homeless population that you can least solve by just building more housing.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

CaptainPsyko posted:

Also, a nonzero portion of the homeless people not in the shelter system aren't not in there because of a lack of means. They tend to be the ones that resist the shelters, whether because of legitimate fears of violence/crime/conditions there, mental illness, or whatever.

It is arguably the portion of the homeless population that you can least solve by just building more housing.

Deinstitutionalization was a hell of a drug. :smith:

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Ogmius815 posted:

there is this goddamn couple of white assholes with dreadlocks who panhandle at the end of my block in front of the liquor store and I'm pretty sure they have some alternative to being there but are just horrible lazy burnouts so...

cities make people more empathetic

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

one way to deal with the homeless problem is hoping that the worst case scenario for climate change comes true, where NYC gets more heat stress than bahrain. that'll "deal with" a lot of them

Oxxidation posted:

i'm not sure if there's really any way to eliminate the rot in ny and nj democrats short of cleansing flame, the machines here seem to be unbreakable
there's a brooklyn district leader who has to make it clear that filling the county committee with anti-machine people isn't working with the democratic party, it's hijacking it. on the other hand, the system in general is unfixable and not just in these two states

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

Grondoth posted:

cities make people more empathetic

oh stop it. I know who the real needy people in my neighborhood are. like the homeless double amputee veteran I push up the hill a all the time. These two are like, kids whose parents kicked them out who could go home if they'd just stop smoking pot in the house.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Lol Joementum posted in this in the suck zone:

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/886643007914749955

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Clio Chang and Alex Shephard in the New Republic ~ How Andrew Cuomo Keeps the Left in Check: There is plenty of room to mount a progressive challenge against the Democratic governor. Why hasn't anyone stepped up?

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

It's really shocking that no one better has come forward to challenge Cuomo and that the best we could do last time was some random law professor. Even with no history of public service, no name in politics, and no history of involvement in public administration, this person managed to get a third of the vote just by not being Andrew Cuomo. There's clearly an opportunity there and it's just withering on the vine. Machine politics is a hell of a drug I guess.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Preet and Schneiderman were the big hopes -- although I guess even they are wildcards. They'd be better on "good governance" (aka anti-corruption) but no clue whether they hold progressive views on fiscal policy.

Chevy Slyme
May 2, 2004

We're Gonna Run.

We're Gonna Crawl.

Kick Down Every Wall.

That headline is a little disingenuous.

The Dems lost the senate nearly 8 years ago, not just 8 months ago.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

Preet and Schneiderman were the big hopes -- although I guess even they are wildcards. They'd be better on "good governance" (aka anti-corruption) but no clue whether they hold progressive views on fiscal policy.
i already mentioned that bit of insider information about how schneiderman isn't running. as for crowley, it takes a lot of skill to be more of a dithering scumbag than schumer, who has already said that the democrats need an economic message

basically this is my mood for the rest of my life because lol if you think a corbyn is in any way possible in this country

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
A woman named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is running against Crowley in the primary. It seems like she's still getting her poo poo together and I don't really know anything about her personally.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/887170954476040192

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Lmao holy poo poo

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Is he... uh, a serious candidate for the City Council?

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

GalacticAcid posted:

Lmao holy poo poo

https://twitter.com/VoteLopezPierre/status/887135564184551425

Screencap it before he deletes it.


Grondoth posted:

Is he... uh, a serious candidate for the City Council?

All signs point to not anymore if he ever had been.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Absurd Alhazred posted:

https://twitter.com/VoteLopezPierre/status/887135564184551425

Screencap it before he deletes it.


All signs point to not anymore if he ever had been.

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Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

GalacticAcid posted:

For posterity



The ZOG thanks you. :jewish:

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