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why are people yelling at each other on the stage what is happening
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Doorknob Slobber posted:why are people yelling at each other on the stage what is happening no coaching allowed
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Jul 16, 2017 05:32
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"All on that one guessie!"
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Jul 16, 2017 05:36
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gross, another zero/vergil team what are the teams for top 8 marvel now?
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Jul 16, 2017 05:37
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Melee at top 4 which are the 4 gods of melee. should be some good sets coming up.
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Jul 16, 2017 05:44
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Captain Invictus posted:gross, another zero/vergil team winners Chris G (Morrigan/Doom/Vergil) vs Joey D (Zero/Doom/Vergil) RyanLV (Chun/Morrigan/Phoenix) vs Prodigy (Magneto/Doom/Phoenix) losers NotEnoughDamage (Zero/Doom/Vergil) vs ThisIsForMama/NoLife (Zero/Dante/Vergil) Paradigm (Haggar/Dormamu/Doom or Haggar/Rocket Raccoon/Arthur) vs Quackbot/PC Marvel God (Mag/Doom/Phoenix)
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Jul 16, 2017 05:46
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One of the gods of smash is a guy who wears gym shorts and looks like a crazy hermit I love esports
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Jul 16, 2017 05:50
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I hope either Joey or Ryan makes ChrisG cry. Wasn't it Joey who nearly knocked ChrisG out last year, but he took like a ten-minute break to recover while the crowd chanted?
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Jul 16, 2017 05:50
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As a guy who plays Melee, I'm honestly curious: what are Melee's problems as a competitive game? What annoys you as a spectator or, if you were making a competitive platform fighter of your own, what would you fix about it? My observations watching top 8: there is a huge amount of time spent in neutral because defense has been optimized. Back in 06, DI was not as good meaning that death strings were a lot more common in the metagame. 4 stocks were a necessity back then because they could disappear in an instant. Nowadays, since defensive options have become better you'll see hits lead to nothing and characters surviving as high as 150%, meaning more time spent in neutral and games lasting more than 3 minutes. As a player I find the neutral game engaging, but as a spectator it's infuriating to watch. Melee at its best is Axe vs Silentwolf game 3, where a top player can make 4 stocks vanish in less than a minute. Melee at its worst is Armada vs Mew2king game 3 where neither player can convert off of anything and the match lasts up to 6 and a half minutes  (as a side note, what do guys think about other platform fighters that's inspired by Melee like RoA and Project M)
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Jul 16, 2017 05:51
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C. Everett Koop posted:Melee at top 4 which are the 4 gods of melee. should be some good sets coming up. Really good guessies going on right now
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Jul 16, 2017 05:51
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Dragongem posted:One of the gods of smash is a guy who wears gym shorts and looks like a crazy hermit Be nice to Dave Grohl.
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Jul 16, 2017 05:53
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theGrooseofLegend posted:As a guy who plays Melee, I'm honestly curious: what are Melee's problems as a competitive game? What annoys you as a spectator or, if you were making a competitive platform fighter of your own, what would you fix about it? Speaking only for myself: everything I actually like about Smash in general--the general chaos, playing with more than two players, the items, most of the stages--is systematically stripped out of it to make it "competitive," and the guys in my local scene who play competitive Smash don't play anything else or talk to anyone else. I don't understand the attraction or value of competitive Smash, the same way I don't understand why someone would sit down and watch NASCAR. Clearly other people do, but there seems to be a very sharp binary here, and there's not a lot of point in arguing across the divide.
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Jul 16, 2017 05:56
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theGrooseofLegend posted:As a guy who plays Melee, I'm honestly curious: what are Melee's problems as a competitive game? What annoys you as a spectator or, if you were making a competitive platform fighter of your own, what would you fix about it? melee is fine for the ruleset it is, i think its p fun. its kind of dated and a little too explored to be interesting but seeing people perform at their top and read each other is still fun. it takes a little too long, but its a good game. i just wish the future games embraced the ideas of melee and cooked them into the game, but instead they did the opposite, essentially telling everyone: "no, dont play this game competitively" and people do anyway like idiots. melee is cool and shouldnt have happened, the other games are people trying way too hard to add more rules to checkers and turn it into chess even tho the guy who invented basically went "I ONLY WANT YOU TO PLAY CHECKERS"
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Jul 16, 2017 05:57
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The "waifu" factor in melee is low
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Jul 16, 2017 05:57
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Tae posted:The "waifu" factor in melee is low Nintendo's newer games have top tier waifus.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:00
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this smash match is unwatchable
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Jul 16, 2017 06:02
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Real hurthling! posted:this smash match is unwatchable People are cheering for someone repeatedly grabbing a ledge. To be fair, it's one step removed from going "AY!" during a long combo, but at least the latter required aggression to set up.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:03
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The "perfect" Smash tournament would be four-player free-for-alls, where losing a stock means you have to do a shot. All items, all stages, and all characters are allowed, and the grand prize is a bunch of free pizza and a big Costco-size bottle of the most offensively flavored vodka available on the market today. Something so sweet that just knowing it exists is a diabetic risk factor.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:03
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the fox runs back and forth the puff just hops on and off the edge for like 4.5 minutes straight
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Jul 16, 2017 06:05
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Melee is a legit game, but holy poo poo am I tired of every top 4 being made up of the following players: Mango Mew2King Leffen Armada HungryBox The tournament scene has become stagnant since no other players can challenge these guys. EVO is no different than any other smash tournament, save the size of the pot. No new players ever win, or even show up in top 8. Just the same handful of dudes every time. Compare that to SFV 2017 vs. SFV 2016. 2017 Punk Itabashi NuckleDu Kazunoko Moke MOV Tokido Filipino Champ 2016 Infiltration Fuudo Yukadon GO1 LI Joe MOV Eita Nemo Just nice to see new players, new story lines, and new characters.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:05
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the perfect smash tourney is six people alternately swapping drinking and playing whatever
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Jul 16, 2017 06:06
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ShortThug posted:bonchan has won 15 games in a row. http://twitter.com/Vexanie/status/886448705422807040
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Jul 16, 2017 06:06
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Tae posted:The "waifu" factor in melee is low so unfortunate
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Jul 16, 2017 06:07
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Benson Cunningham posted:Melee is a legit game, but holy poo poo am I tired of every top 4 being made up of the following players: There was complaint that SFV was too random because there was always new people, you can't please both parties
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Jul 16, 2017 06:07
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SFV has different rules and new characters every 2 months so its going to have more shake up than a game that a few thousand people failed out of college to get good at and hasn't changed since
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Jul 16, 2017 06:07
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I just want hungrybox to gently caress off and just be an engineer that plays destiny or something instead of doublig every melee tournament's runtime
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Jul 16, 2017 06:09
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Wanderer posted:I hope either Joey or Ryan makes ChrisG cry. Wasn't it Joey who nearly knocked ChrisG out last year, but he took like a ten-minute break to recover while the crowd chanted? Something like that, yeah. Joey D is basically one giant ? imo, he's random and good but sometimes it can get killed fast. theGrooseofLegend posted:As a guy who plays Melee, I'm honestly curious: what are Melee's problems as a competitive game? What annoys you as a spectator or, if you were making a competitive platform fighter of your own, what would you fix about it? I think the way Melee's mechanics are structured as a game is mostly fine, balanced can be improved but that's true for almost everything. I really think the problem is that the matches take too long. I like watching Melee, but in this day and age 4 stocks really isn't necessary. What could be a fast game with cool stuff everywhere ends up being a drag of endurance because you have to keep up with everything for so long. Blowups do happen, but even the fastest blowup takes a while if it's strong players. Reducing the timer down and/or reducing the stocks could help, and either of those opening up the potential for more lame play would not entirely be a bad thing. And I disagree about those matches. At least, yes the blowups are good, but the slow but tense matches like that M2K vs Armada match was still full of great things that was fun throughout. Just shorten it down so that matches like the latter can still happen but take less time. Melee is undoubtedly at its worst at 2012 Apex Grand finals with Armada vs Hungrybox, where timeouts were on the regular.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:12
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Tae posted:There was complaint that SFV was too random because there was always new people, you can't please both parties Yeah but you can go back and look at Ultra SFIV and see similar changes to top 8 from year to year. If it was truly as random as people like to complain it is, you would see some real rando's making it to top 8 more often. Instead you see the very best consistently making it past the trash, and then fighting it out in top 64.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:12
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Tae posted:There was complaint that SFV was too random because there was always new people, you can't please both parties if hungrybox wins we'll have had the same grand final three years in a row if mang0 wins, then nine of the ten participants to appear in a melee evo final have consisted of mang0, hungrybox, and armada
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Jul 16, 2017 06:12
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Benson Cunningham posted:Yeah but you can go back and look at Ultra SFIV and see similar changes to top 8 from year to year. If it was truly as random as people like to complain it is, you would see some real rando's making it to top 8 more often. the best are just more consistent in melee because the game is far more matured than anything else in the realm of fighting games
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Jul 16, 2017 06:14
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corn on the cop posted:if hungrybox wins we'll have had the same grand final three years in a row I feel like this has already been seen in MvC2 when Justin was winning literally everything.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:15
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Benson Cunningham posted:Melee is a legit game, but holy poo poo am I tired of every top 4 being made up of the following players: I get the point your making, but I mean, leffen lost outside of top 8 in this tournament to one of the non-gods. Tbh, it actually is pretty regular to see the the Gods lose to the players just outside that threshold (Plup, Westballz, Axe, etc), they just usually only seem to beat at most 1 or 2 of them per tournament instead of all of them to make it to a Grand finals.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:16
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I love Melee and all but after something like sixteen years I just really loving hate the Gourmet Race song on Dreamland.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:17
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Tae posted:I feel like this has already been seen in MvC2 when Justin was winning literally everything. and check this out: mvc2 doesn't have nearly the number of hours of competition as a game logged that melee has. melee is basically a crotchety old man compared to every other drat fighting game
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Jul 16, 2017 06:17
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NecroMonster posted:the best are just more consistent in melee because the game is far more matured than anything else in the realm of fighting games That's a fine opinion to have. My opinion is that the game is fine, but the playerbase needs to either step up or move on. If your name isn't Armada, Hungrybox, or Mango (and m2k or leffen on the rare outside chance), I have no idea why you're still wasting your time since you are never going to win.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:17
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Benson Cunningham posted:That's a fine opinion to have. people keep playing because it's actually a really cool and fun game to play, like, physically just play. But i wouldn't be surprised if the games hardware constraints have/are killing the influx of new blood.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:19
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NecroMonster posted:people keep playing because it's actually a really cool and fun game to play, like, physically just play. But i wouldn't be surprised if the games hardware constraints have/are killing it's access to new blood. yeah like, it's viscerally satisfying to do a lot of tech in melee and to just move around and combo and stuff.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:21
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Jul 16, 2017 06:22
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Benson Cunningham posted:That's a fine opinion to have. You can say the same thing to like 90% of sports leagues Why do the Sacramento kings still exist
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Jul 16, 2017 06:22
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Tae posted:You can say the same thing to like 90% of sports leagues I live in Pittsburgh and really only follow hockey. You might say I'm spoiled. Edit: But in keeping with what you're saying, I don't think the Sacramento Kings of Smash has any fans. You either like a god or live in perennial disappoint with no chance of that changing. Actually, it's starting to sound a lot like being a sports fan in some cities.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:24
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