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It's because this is, quite frankly, a cult. The SC community has so much skin in the game that their very selfworth is being challenged by the idea that this project will not succeed. Hence the constant rationalization that things will work out in the end. Better that than to face their own personal failures and lack of judgment now.
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MinorInconvenience posted:It's because this is, quite frankly, a cult. The SC community has so much skin in the game that their very selfworth is being challenged by the idea that this project will not succeed. Hence the constant rationalization that things will work out in the end. Better that than to face their own personal failures and lack of judgment now. true,
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MinorInconvenience posted:It's because this is, quite frankly, a cult. The SC community has so much skin in the game that their very selfworth is being challenged by the idea that this project will not succeed. Hence the constant rationalization that things will work out in the end. Better that than to face their own personal failures and lack of judgment now.
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peter gabriel posted:The 'gaming public' or whatever are not tearing CIG a new rear end in a top hat purely because nothing has been released yet. I've got to disagree with you and by proxy everyone else who keeps saying this. I think it's because of No Man's Sky, but that was a very different audience and a very widespread hype campaign that generated a lot of attention in the run-up before publicly flaming out while interest was still high. Which is weird because it seemed kind of blatantly scammy to me. That's a tangent though. SC is different- it's worn down the interest of most people, and I think it'll follow the standard MMO path. Generally these fly-by-night MMO's don't even leave a splash when they hit the bowl. Sure, some people will be pissed, but look at Archeage or Black Desert or EQ Landmark or Firefall or Wildstar or or or. Every single one goes the same way- enormous hype to generate fans, then creeping indications that it's crap, but fans defend it. Turns out to be crap, most people abandon it, die hard fans still defend it. Studio gives up on any semblance of not-being-crap, institutes blatant p2w poo poo, everyone's gone by then and it no longer matters, die hard fans continue to defend it. Some articles come out when it finally dies but nobody on r/Games or any other major content aggregator is paying any attention. Depending on how you look at it, CIG is either still on step one, hype generation, or well into the final step, blatant p2w. Either way, it's going to rocket into obsolescence when it finally "Releases" and I think the only people who will take notice are long winded games journalists who will write really terrible "Where did it all go wrong?" think pieces and the people in this thread. It isn't even a blip on the average gamer's radar: witness, for example, their twitch streams and youtube channel views. People just do not give a poo poo about Star Citizen. To me that makes the whole thing funnier.
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The Titanic posted:I really love what you've done here and how you explained it. I'm a programmer so I have lots of respect for guys who can build stuff like this. Even really basic games are not easy to actually make, and I know people have little appreciation for it. Yeah, they were focused on winning backers with pretty pictures. And they succeeded. Then when it came time to build and deliver the game, they realized that there was no tech to power the pretty pictures. I mean, the CitizenCon 2016 stream was the biggest indicator when they tried to pass of that poo poo as actual 3.0. Back when a lot of people (even guys here btw) were thinking it was real, Goons on my Discord and I were laughing our asses off because the minute I saw it, I knew that there was NO loving WAY that was anything but a proof of concept demo running in a controlled environment. I wrote a blog. A lot of noise happened. CIG had to come clean. They made a loving "Road To CitizenCon" video. The Titanic posted:By the way, Derek, thank you for sharing your internal screens and development stuff. I know it's old but it's always exciting to see how somebody attacked a problem to solve it. It's very cool and I appreciate it. You're welcome. I love this stuff. Sadly, it's never received all that well around here when I share technical stuff. That's why I try to shy away from doing it. But this time, I had no choice because a LOT of people really don't have a clue how this stuff is done, and they're the ones most confused by all the bullshit coming out of CIG and Shitizens. I mean, I did this poo poo almost three decades ago back when I had to build every loving thing myself - no middleware. Even that PTEStudio tool right now will crash (MFC bullshit) if I move the window when its running. I'm too scared to even go in and fix it. The last time I built it was back in 2008!! It still works. And I even included it in the UCCE 3.0 modding tools I released a few months back on Steam. It's hilarious to me that CIG and Shitizens are touting "revolutionary" tech, when all this already exists in some form or another. The only thing they're revolutionizing is incompetence and wastefulness.
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D_Smart posted:Yup. Was it GameStar by any chance, and do you have a link to the article? PCGames magazine, I found it here http://www.dsogaming.com/news/star-citizen-new-screenshots-and-details-for-version-2-7-unveiled/
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FMguru posted:Admitting that you were a chump and a sucker is the hardest thing; so much easier to just play along and hope things turn out. Ayup. Admitting failure (and then trying to rectify it) is, in fact, one of the hallmarks of a strong character. I believe at least one of our esteemed mods and other "haters" here fall into that category. It's not a personal failing to be taken in and defrauded, but it is a personal failing to continue to defend the fraudster when the evidence starts to swing the other way.
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Sarsapariller posted:I've got to disagree with you and by proxy everyone else who keeps saying this. I think it's because of No Man's Sky, but that was a very different audience and a very widespread hype campaign that generated a lot of attention in the run-up before publicly flaming out while interest was still high. Which is weird because it seemed kind of blatantly scammy to me. That's a tangent though. SC is different- it's worn down the interest of most people, and I think it'll follow the standard MMO path. i'd like to respectfully disagree on one point. I think that the failure of star citizen will be relatively big news. With a crowd funded budget of over $150 million, it's size will make it ripe fodder for just about all journalists. I expect to see at least a mention of it in the WSJ.
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Derek, hear me out for a second. What would happen if you went dark for a week or two. No posting, at least about SC, anywhere. If you could get OSC to shut up, (Which would reinforce the  hivemind that he is you,) would they start to turn on each other or SC even faster?
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Hobold posted:Derek, hear me out for a second. This.
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Hobold posted:Derek, hear me out for a second. I'd expect that they'd just do a search and replace on their posts to change "Derek Smart" to "Goons" or "Braben" or "Rational Humans".
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AP posted:We discussed this before and to date nobody has managed to figure out a way to get around the legal tactic that CIG uses to avoid court action, by sneakily refunding people whenever they ask. No injury. The way around it is riding it all the way in.
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MilesK posted:PCGames magazine, I found it here http://www.dsogaming.com/news/star-citizen-new-screenshots-and-details-for-version-2-7-unveiled/ CIG has made German media their dumping ground for Star Citizen propaganda because those guys will print anything. This was back in 2016 when procgen planets were coming in 2.7 Star Citizen – New screenshots and details for version 2.7 unveiled This is some crazy poo poo: 
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Hobold posted:Derek, hear me out for a second. I should try that. Not sure if OSC will go for it though. Also, since we have lurkers here, now that you've posted it, they'll know it was all a ruse. 
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ManofManyAliases posted:LOL please - my stomach already hurts from earlier comments. I can't take much more.  MoMA is afraid. trucutru fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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D_Smart posted:I should try that. Not sure if OSC will go for it though. Also, since we have lurkers here, now that you've posted it, they'll know it was all a ruse. I know, and really it doesn't matter. Its just giving them a couple weeks of the same stagnation, lack of real progress, without the usual boogyman. I just want to see if they start to turn on their own like we do, or if they'll spiral farther down the pit of their broke brained nonsense.
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D_Smart posted:CIG has made German media their dumping ground for Star Citizen propaganda because those guys will print anything. Lol a year ago
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D_Smart posted:CIG has made German media their dumping ground for Star Citizen propaganda because those guys will print anything. lol look at all this bullshit.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Apparently no one made a gif of the water splash at the end of the 3.whatever demo. I got you bro. My 3.0 smoke and mirror video has that clip at the end.
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Hobold posted:Derek, hear me out for a second. It would be like witnessing a 40 a day smoker, suddenly going cold turkey. First would be the irritability, then the shakes, then the Trump tweets, oh my god, so many Trump tweets, and during this last phase, while Derek is at peak twitter spam mode, Wolfaccelaratingdick will post a "we won" letter and sign it with his latin name like last time, "Arseholiuswolfuslupusdickliswaviumbellyflab" or whatever the gently caress he thinks his homoerotic sexual slave name should actually be.
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lmao " it's almost like ordering through amazon"
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MinorInconvenience posted:i'd like to respectfully disagree on one point. I think that the failure of star citizen will be relatively big news. With a crowd funded budget of over $150 million, it's size will make it ripe fodder for just about all journalists. I expect to see at least a mention of it in the WSJ. This. So, in the Penny Arcade thing, Kuchera mentions that Roberts has private funding on top of the kickstarter. Did we ever figure out what this was?
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Hav posted:This. Bootcha?
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If Derek going quiet for a week would get us another "Mission Accomplished" banner that would loving own. Especially because it wouldn't matter that they have a couple dedicated lunatics lurking this thread, they'd refuse to believe we were doing it just to gently caress with them. Hell, Derek could probably keep posting here every day about how he's purposely doing it to gently caress with them and they wouldn't believe it.
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Beet Wagon posted:If Derek going quiet for a week would get us another "Mission Accomplished" banner that would loving own. tHIS IS AN ORCHESTRATED GOON ASSAULT DELIVERED FORM THE HIGHEST ECHELON CRUSH THEM ON THEIR LEFT FLANK OF SOMETHINGAWFUL AND OVERWEHLM THEIR FRONT LINES ON REDDIT
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Hav posted:This. The running theme was always that once they broke so many tens of millions they didn't NEED to rely on anyone including private investors, and Cribberts was keeping the game pure and under his absolute control Now it seems to be swinging back to 'well of course they needed extra private investors for a game of this scope' No one will ever know just how much money CIG has taken over and above their funding tracker, the books are probably sitting in a gas soaked garbage dumpster beside Ben in a pair of skin-tight jeans BEN ALL YOU CAN EAT BUFFET ACROSS THE STREET!
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If there were a gaming journalist doing independent research to publish a non-paid piece, they would/should keep it embargoed until the day before GamesCon, to minimize the opportunity for CIG to adjust their spin to refute the points in the article.
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TheAgent posted:3.0 is going to hit in November and be the MVP and it's basically going to maybe be the 3 moons and levski i cannot loving wait
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Hav posted:This. Yeah we've known for some time now that they have investors. Did you forget Bootcha also?
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Beet Wagon posted:If Derek going quiet for a week would get us another "Mission Accomplished" banner that would loving own. This is true. Those fuckers are retarded.
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There's something about this response to G0RF's infographic that's insanely funny to me: It's like Moses climbs down from the mountain and discovers the Hebrews have all backed Star Citizen.
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SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:There's something about this response to G0RF's infographic that's insanely funny to me: It's a cult. It's the Scientology of the video gaming world. In both cases, the idiots who have given the cult thousands of dollars will die to defend it to avoid facing their own gullibility.
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SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:There's something about this response to G0RF's infographic that's insanely funny to me: Holy Christ that's so sad I can't stop laughing 
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Sarsapariller posted:I've got to disagree with you and by proxy everyone else who keeps saying this. [...] SC is different- it's worn down the interest of most people, and I think it'll follow the standard MMO path.  SC isn't going to blow up in some grand explosion, it is already dying a slow death and will just continue doing so until long after no one is paying attention anymore. The trickle of moron donations will keep the project going well beyond the attention span of anybody with reasonable expectation of an MVP.
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SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:There's something about this response to G0RF's infographic that's insanely funny to me:
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Beet Wagon posted:If Derek going quiet for a week would get us another "Mission Accomplished" banner that would loving own.
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