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Panfilo posted:OS slapfights aside, are there any startups that actually emphasize being labor friendly? Why is it so hard for companies to see that when employees are well compensated (and I'm not talking ball pits and beer fridges, but actual compensation+benefits) people stick around? plenty. i used to work for a startup that had a lot of stereotypical bad policies instituted by the company's founder but when he got funding and a board was instituted who appoited a new CEO, pretty much every policy was rolled back from company phones and the expectation of afterhours work to arcane bonus structures being replaced by higher salaries
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Startups don't want people to stick around. They want employees who will work insanely hard for a few years, then quit due to burnout before having to actually use things like medical and paternity leave. If they can continue to attract well qualified replacements then they can continue this cycle indefinitely.
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Panfilo posted:OS slapfights aside, are there any startups that actually emphasize being labor friendly? Why is it so hard for companies to see that when employees are well compensated (and I'm not talking ball pits and beer fridges, but actual compensation+benefits) people stick around? VC doesn't work unless you try to get maniacal growth in there somewhere However, there's quite a few startups that pay gangbusters. 6 figgies, the figgies don't start with a 1, that sort of thing There's no such thing as a significant pay rise anywhere anymore, so you have to be mercenary about it. Routine to hear of people sticking around for 5 years at places and getting $0 pay rise
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Panfilo posted:OS slapfights aside, are there any startups that actually emphasize being labor friendly? Why is it so hard for companies to see that when employees are well compensated (and I'm not talking ball pits and beer fridges, but actual compensation+benefits) people stick around? Because there is no place on the balance sheet for happiness. It's hard enough the accountants to show the benefits of low turnover. And if it isn't on the balance sheet it doesn't exist to Wall Street. A few months ago American airlines gave their pilots a decent wage, their pilots wages were behind the other major carriers and American wanted to avoid a standoff, which was sure to happen, when the contract was up. Wall Street analysts poo poo a brick. http://www.jsonline.com/story/money...ysts/100999690/
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PotatoJudge posted:Because there is no place on the balance sheet for happiness. It's hard enough the accountants to show the benefits of low turnover. And if it isn't on the balance sheet it doesn't exist to Wall Street. From the article: Kevin Crissey posted:“This is frustrating. Labor is being paid first … again. Shareholders get leftovers,” wrote Citi analyst Kevin Crissey in a note to clients. gently caress Wall Street.
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curufinor posted:VC doesn't work unless you try to get maniacal growth in there somewhere And as soon as they move to another company they can get 20% or more on top of their current salaries. I myself worked for a company in Fort Lauderdale, FL for 7 years and was making $32k/yr. It was in the housing industry so we saw zero increases during the GFC, and very small raises before that. I jumped ship, moved to NC and literally tripled my base salary. You have to move around to get appreciable increases now.
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Panfilo posted:Granted, I work for the government, but I can honestly say I have a large number of coworkers that have been here 30+ years that like their jobs and are happy. I feel like the easiest way to get loyalty from an employee is to foster an environment that allows them to stick around for decades, but tech companies take such a mercenary attitude about things. Few tech companies are started with the intention of lasting 30+ years. Most of them want to grow fast and sell to a bigger company.
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SimonCat posted:From the article: uh, you don't think it's unfair that the people who invested all the value in the company and see the least of that value come their way have to wait while some snot nosed punk gets more money? wall street waited very patiently for more dividends. how would you feel if you did the hard work of investing just for some little kid with a 2.0 GPA GED to get your money in the form of a couple of extra dollars an hour huh?!
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Because Google is a company that does exactly one thing well. the web? anonumos posted:You have to move around to get appreciable increases now. Maybe this is true at startups or outside of tech hubs, but I know that most of the big tech companies (Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, Google) have well defined career paths that can greatly increase your compensation over time. Evil Robot fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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google does one thing well and it therefore takes like 0.5% of all revenue for anything and everything ever it's not a little one thing, it's a pretty loving huge one thing
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Evil Robot posted:the web? Those 5 know that they'll lose employees to each other unless they pay up. I know at least 2 of those 5 do out-of-cycle raises if somebody is at risk of getting a big raise by moving to another.
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Evil Robot posted:Maybe this is true at startups or outside of tech hubs, but I know that most of the big tech companies (Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook, Google) have well defined career paths that can greatly increase your compensation over time. deffo true for startupland, less for big tech places however, the big tech places will have you out on your rear end pretty quick if needed, and they also get 0 employee loyalty and give 0 loyalty in turn, even as people get 500k, 1million, 2million salaries people (the big corpers) pressed the defect button on repeated prisoner's dilemma waaay too often, so it has to be this way
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Evil Robot posted:the web? Search on the web. Yes, massively important, but they're pretty shite at everything else they've tried. GSuite's a nightmare for a lot of businesses, GMail isn't anything special, they bought youtube because google video was balls, and how many projects have they launched and then cancelled after people started using them heavily? A dozen or so? Plus they're scummy as hell re: hello google, skimming your email for targeted ads, etc.
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SimonCat posted:From the article: I had the exact same reaction to that quote. Shameless.
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SimonCat posted:From the article: 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Doggles posted:Travis Kalanick Hires Former U.S. Attorney Haag as Lawyer Travis Kalanick getting strung up like Ross Ulbricht would be a sight to behold 
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Doggles posted:Travis Kalanick Hires Former U.S. Attorney Haag as Lawyer did anyone, including uber's investors, not see this coming? if you design your business around flagrantly breaking the law, you're eventually gonna step on someone's toes who can actually bring the law to bear against you
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Search on the web. Yes, massively important, but they're pretty shite at everything else they've tried. GSuite's a nightmare for a lot of businesses, GMail isn't anything special, they bought youtube because google video was balls, and how many projects have they launched and then cancelled after people started using them heavily? A dozen or so? Plus they're scummy as hell re: hello google, skimming your email for targeted ads, etc. Google has 7 products with over 1 billion users. That speaks volumes more than your personal anger about their products.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Search on the web. Yes, massively important, but they're pretty shite at everything else they've tried. GSuite's a nightmare for a lot of businesses, GMail isn't anything special, they bought youtube because google video was balls, and how many projects have they launched and then cancelled after people started using them heavily? A dozen or so? Plus they're scummy as hell re: hello google, skimming your email for targeted ads, etc. Uh, Gmail is great, YouTube was an independent company for about 18 months before being bought over 11 years ago so most of it's stuff from Google. Also, I can't believe you missed their primary business model: ads. Also there's nothing scummy about hello google, or the email you're looking at on a free email service having ads show up next to it vaguely related to the content. How exactly do you expect to get a free service in the first place, really?
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Because Google is a company that does exactly one thing well.
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Noggin Monkey posted:I had the exact same reaction to that quote. Shameless. Amusingly it is also how it is supposed to work. The difference between earnings and expenditures goes to stockholder equity. Aka they get the "scraps".
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call to action posted:I mean, it's kind of a scale thing, right? Yeah you're definitely on the scale all right.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/business/media/lyft-taco-bell.html Capitalism...good? quote:Taco Bell has, quite literally, found a new marketing vehicle, and its name is Lyft.
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^^^^ TBF, this gives them a real argument that they will reduce the DUI (mostly weed and alcohol) numbers on a regular basis. Panfilo posted:OS slapfights aside, are there any startups that actually emphasize being labor friendly? Why is it so hard for companies to see that when employees are well compensated (and I'm not talking ball pits and beer fridges, but actual compensation+benefits) people stick around? They're no more expensive than uber eats, so they're the natural choice if you don't hate people.
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Zeris posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/business/media/lyft-taco-bell.html this is an awesome idea and i only hope that it expands to fast food restaurants that I actually eat at. like, when I was in california earlier this year and took a Lyft I really wanted to stop at In-n-Out but i thought it would be an imposition so I didn't, and then I didn't eat In-n-Out while I was there and it was very sad.
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Condiv posted:did anyone, including uber's investors, not see this coming? if you design your business around flagrantly breaking the law, you're eventually gonna step on someone's toes who can actually bring the law to bear against you well, or get elected president.
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DC Murderverse posted:this is an awesome idea and i only hope that it expands to fast food restaurants that I actually eat at. FWIW, you can generally request any route you want, just be prepared for additional charges and to tip a few bucks. Also yeah, agreed that it's an awesome idea. Regardless of what you think about the food quality at Taco Bell, they've always been a pretty innovative company.
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Search on the web. Yes, massively important, but they're pretty shite at everything else they've tried. GSuite's a nightmare for a lot of businesses, GMail isn't anything special, they bought youtube because google video was balls, and how many projects have they launched and then cancelled after people started using them heavily? A dozen or so? Plus they're scummy as hell re: hello google, skimming your email for targeted ads, etc. And of course more minor but useful services like Translate, Flights, News, Recaptcha, and all the random libraries and frameworks Google owns like Tensorflow, Angular, Bazel, Kubernetes, etc. Oh and the machine learning expertise/researchy stuff like Google Brain and Deepmind. Obviously I'm super biased because I work for Google, but I used their stuff before I started working here and probably will continue after because there's plenty of good things there.
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I miss Google's theatre listings. I could get the theatre listings sorted by theatre rather than by movie, and that seems to be hard for some reason.
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Ratoslov posted:I miss Google's theatre listings. I could get the theatre listings sorted by theatre rather than by movie, and that seems to be hard for some reason. Google's customers probably preferred it be organized by movie, so that's what Google's product is going to get.
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You can still see the listings of just a particular theater though, I just google the theater name and the results pop up in search.
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divabot posted:It's not as cool as driving a GENUINE SIGNED BY ELON TESLA MODEL ELON, but since some here expressed an interest - my blockchain book is finally out, for £4.99 or whatever strange money you Americans use sent as Initial Book Offerings to the Kindlechain! Lol I told you to buy a banner ad
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Avenging_Mikon posted:Search on the web. Yes, massively important, but they're pretty shite at everything else they've tried. GSuite's a nightmare for a lot of businesses, GMail isn't anything special, they bought youtube because google video was balls, and how many projects have they launched and then cancelled after people started using them heavily? A dozen or so? Plus they're scummy as hell re: hello google, skimming your email for targeted ads, etc. This hipster poo poo is so tiring. As an advertiser I'm continually frustrated by how limiting Google is to me - I can target far more in far creepier ways with Yahoo/Oath or Bing than I can with Google. GMail is the most popular email service in the world, YouTube is the most popular video service in the world, and their natural language voice processing technology is arguably paralleled only by Amazon. Maps is ridiculously good. There's plenty wrong with Google, but bringing up two of their biggest successes in a list of failures is pretty loving weird. If you run a business, you advertise with Google because it scales and it's profitable, period. Kobayashi posted:Yeah you're definitely on the scale all right. Is this supposed to be some sort of gay slur? call to action fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Twerk from Home posted:Those 5 know that they'll lose employees to each other unless they pay up. I know at least 2 of those 5 do out-of-cycle raises if somebody is at risk of getting a big raise by moving to another. Which is why they colluded not to hire each other's employees away.
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Cicero posted:Gmail is great, Chrome is the #1 browser in the world, keeping Youtube the best is very much non-trivial, Android was nothing but a prototype when Google bought it, the Pixel is a great phone, there's also Drive, Photos, Maps, Earth. gently caress Google. ETA: Also, gently caress Apple, Microsoft, and Facebook. Just so people don't think I'm playing favourites. Bunni-kat fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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You forgot Amazon there, friend! Now home to the richest man in th world.
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Cicero posted:You forgot Amazon there, friend! Now home to the richest man in th world. Well it's Bill Gates' fault he prioritizes donating money to charities (however well or poorly run) over remaining the richest corporate overlord on the planet 
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