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The more interesting thing is that it doesn't say LGA1151v2. I also find it very strange that we haven't seen any 300-series board image leaks yet. What if Intel said "gently caress it" and they're waiting for the Z390 with Cannonlake? BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jul 30, 2017 |
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fishmech posted:So when can I get a 6 core / 12 thread i7 laptop? Intel: "Never but can I interest you in a 6 core ivybridge xeon laptop. Some crazy people made those"
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Jul 30, 2017 00:12
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Prescription Combs posted:8700k with 16 pcie lanes right? 16 (or 2x8) for graphics, assume 24 additional via the PCH (same as Kaby Lake and Z270 - Skylake had 16+20). I somehow doubt they'll match base mode Sky-X @ 28 lanes or why in the hell does the 7800X exist at all? Again, we have to actually see a Z370 board first.
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The rumors are that Z370 is just a rebadged Z270, and Z390 isnt launching yet.
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Cygni posted:The rumors are that Z370 is just a rebadged Z270, and Z390 isnt launching yet. Well, obviously - Z390 is specced for Cannonlake. I'm just perplexed, because if Intel had decided against going with LGA1151V2 for Coffee Lake, you'd think they'd be crowing about their generosity with regards to giving the prior generation a hell of an upgrade path and yadda, yadda, yadda. They definitely need the good press, and it's not like anyone's really going "gee, should I buy that piece-of-crap 7800X and the super-expensive motherboard that goes with it, or wait for the much cheaper and just-as-good-on-paper 6C/12T Coffee Lake?"
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The 24 lanes via the PCH are rather homeopathic. People keep saying that running graphics at 8x makes a negligible difference, that's not something everyone wants to settle for. Put NVMe on the PCH and there isn't much bandwidth left for other stuff. 10GbE is about to get popular, and seems like every power user has a NAS, guess how that'll work together. I wonder if Intel goes wider the next general release, or if more lanes will continue to be a HEDT thing.
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Combat Pretzel posted:The 24 lanes via the PCH are rather homeopathic. People keep saying that running graphics at 8x makes a negligible difference, that's not something everyone wants to settle for. Put NVMe on the PCH and there isn't much bandwidth left for other stuff. 10GbE is about to get popular, and seems like every power user has a NAS, guess how that'll work together. I wonder if Intel goes wider the next general release, or if more lanes will continue to be a HEDT thing. Yah, need lanes for SSDs and such, too.
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Tom's Hardware did a decent article for the 100-series explaining just how much you had left over lane-wise (PCIe and HSIO) a while back: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-100-series-hsio-chipset,30210.html
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Everything on the PCH gets funnelled over only four PCIe lanes, though, whose speed depends on chipset generation. Thus why I called it homeopathic.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Well, obviously - Z390 is specced for Cannonlake. I'm just perplexed, because if Intel had decided against going with LGA1151V2 for Coffee Lake, you'd think they'd be crowing about their generosity with regards to giving the prior generation a hell of an upgrade path and yadda, yadda, yadda. Would explain a lot of recent decisions quite obviously not done by engineers
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:a massive case of Dunning-Kruger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnhXIL_E_Vc&t=213s Can't beat that sexy 2.6 GHz base clock at $1999
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idk an 18 core cpu with a 4ghz+ turbo is pretty drat impressive. the 18 and 20 core Xeon's with the same silicon all cap out at 3.7 turbos and cost a whole lot more. and Epyc caps out at 3.2 turbo, with lower IPC.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:how many cores go to 4 ghz? two if I understand those footnotes correctly.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Intel doesn't need good press, just good bribes If there's anything we've learnt, it's definitely that.
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If the leaked specs are to be believed, the 8700k looks... good? 6 cores at good clocks and 4.7gHz single core performance. Or am I missing something? Will cannon lake offer something fundamentally better?
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Its going to be gimped as gently caress due to intel not soldering their loving ihs on
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Cygni posted:idk an 18 core cpu with a 4ghz+ turbo is pretty drat impressive. the 18 and 20 core Xeon's with the same silicon all cap out at 3.7 turbos and cost a whole lot more. and Epyc caps out at 3.2 turbo, with lower IPC. That is epyc, threadripper base clock is 3.4 with a boost to 3.9? So you aren't really comparing the differant chips correctly. Because you can go up to 32 cores on a single socket epyc but only 16 with threadripper.
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Scarecow posted:Its going to be gimped as gently caress due to intel not soldering their loving ihs on If this thing is basically just six kaby lake cores in the same package, we're talking 50% more heat output. Going to be trouble. Delidding will continue to be popular! I have the tool for 1155/1151 so I expect it will work for these chips. If Intel has given us a 6-core chip that can clock to 5ghz with Skylake's IPC (as opposed to Skylake-X's regression) then I am all over that poo poo. edit: especially if I can still use my z170 motherboard. Deuce fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 30, 2017 |
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I'd figure Coffee Lake would still use the ring bus.
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wargames posted:That is epyc, threadripper base clock is 3.4 with a boost to 3.9? So you aren't really comparing the differant chips correctly. Because you can go up to 32 cores on a single socket epyc but only 16 with threadripper. I compared to Epyc because TR doesn't go to 18/20 cores (and we are pretty sure the 20 core model is coming eventually). Although it's gonna be fun to see the meh launch X299 boards try to deliver 18/20 cores worth of power at those frequencies. Though none of us are buying these dumb things anyway.
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Evidently TRs *are* EPYC chips with eight cores hard-disabled. https://www.techpowerup.com/235571/amd-ryzen-threadripper-delidded-its-epyc
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Evidently TRs *are* EPYC chips with eight cores hard-disabled. they use epyc layout but aren't 2 that are disable just junk dies that never worked and they need the space to be filled for stability?
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wargames posted:they use epyc layout but aren't 2 that are disable just junk dies that never worked and they need the space to be filled for stability? But supposedly amd is getting fantastic yields with zeppelin dies. Maybe the yields are *so* good they can afford to completely waste some dies?
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wargames posted:they use epyc layout but aren't 2 that are disable just junk dies that never worked and they need the space to be filled for stability? VostokProgram posted:But supposedly amd is getting fantastic yields with zeppelin dies. Maybe the yields are *so* good they can afford to completely waste some dies? It's also possible that the extra two dies are unprocessed silicon spacers, instead of disabled or defective zeppelins.  http://www.pcworld.com/article/3211409/computers/why-ryzen-threadripper-has-two-mysterious-chips.html PC World posted:So did AMD really waste two perfectly good “Zeppelin” dies? Nope.
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VostokProgram posted:But supposedly amd is getting fantastic yields with zeppelin dies. Maybe the yields are *so* good they can afford to completely waste some dies? Even if they got 100% yields, they wouldn't use untested dies to stop a heatspreader bending.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Even if they got 100% yields, they wouldn't use untested dies to stop a heatspreader bending. but they COULD be total bum dies, since TR doesn't seem to be a high volume product in any case
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Intel really would just fill the space with glue. *ahem* High stability thermal interface. So stable it doesn't fuckin conduct heat.
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Do even the xeons come with glue now? I can't imagine data center customers are happy with chips that run hot for completely avoidable reasons
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VostokProgram posted:Do even the xeons come with glue now? I can't imagine data center customers are happy with chips that run hot for completely avoidable reasons
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I guess I never thought about it but I am more limited by PCI lanes than CPU cores. 4 seems fine for %95 of my uses but I have huge PCIe needs. Cards: RX480 - 16x (another RX 480) - 16x Intel NVMe 750 - 4x Sound card - 1x RAID controller - 4 or 8x 10g Ethernet - 4x or 8x So for my system right now I need 45 lanes and have 24 
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redeyes posted:I guess I never thought about it but I am more limited by PCI lanes than CPU cores. 4 seems fine for %95 of my uses but I have huge PCIe needs. Cards: then there's exciting news for you in the other thread well, really just news that will annoy you about intel.
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ArgumentatumE.C.T. posted:then there's exciting news for you in the other thread Yeah I know. Intel is sucking rear end. Back in the day I used to have my systems totally full of PCI expansions cards (and ISA for that matter) Truth is I have a really hard time trusting AMD's platforms. I have had the worst experiences ever with unstable / prematurely dieing stuff. To the point I bought only Pentium 4's when AMD was killing them in IPC. Yeah PENTIUMS. redeyes fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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