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howe_sam posted:It's because Matt has retired. But other than that, you're right, more roads lead through Matt than Danny. I think that's kind of a dick move. Clearly theres a big difference between a rushed production like Iron Fist and a multimillion dollar film. He's just pissed he didn't get the role still. Also the one good action scene in AB is a car chase and I'm sure as gently caress Theron isn't actually driving in it.
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PriorMarcus posted:I think that's kind of a dick move. Clearly theres a big difference between a rushed production like Iron Fist and a multimillion dollar film. He's just pissed he didn't get the role still. Pretty much. There is a good reason why most actors don't poo poo on their past jobs and co-actors publicly. You look like hard to work with and lose future opportunities.
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PriorMarcus posted:Also the one good action scene in AB is a car chase and I'm sure as gently caress Theron isn't actually driving in it. The stairwell fight is the best action scene. The car chase is just a minor capper that ends that scene.
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This thread is full of hyperbole about Iron Fist. Good job, I guess.
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adhuin posted:Pretty much. He's all but confirmed on Twitter that he's back next season, so this is super dumb. Hell, even if he's not he's back, he's still making GBS threads where he eats. The only reason he's got a name as an actor is because Iron Fist had a poor reputation. If the show had been better, he'd not be getting nearly the same level of attention.
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He's not even that bad of an actor. I mean he's not interesting to watch, but at least he's capable of acting unlike Mike Colter who couldn't bring a single ounce of gravitas to any of his lines. Remember loving "you let me be inside you" Hakkesshu fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Hakkesshu posted:He's not even that bad of an actor. I mean he's not interesting to watch, but at least he's capable of acting unlike Mike Colter who couldn't bring a single ounce of gravitas to any of his lines. I wouldn't blame Colter for that terrible line. That's on the writers, I can't imagine any delivery that wouldn't just be awful in some way or another.. and directing is literally my job. 😂😂
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Hakkesshu posted:He's not even that bad of an actor. I mean he's not interesting to watch, but at least he's capable of acting unlike Mike Colter who couldn't bring a single ounce of gravitas to any of his lines. Nobody's gonna call Colter the next Meryl Streep, but he's not that bad. He at least managed to correctly portray the emotions he was supposed to be feeling in a given scene. Compare that to Finn Jones, who just seemed petulant every time he was supposed to be angry. Colter was handicapped by the fact that in his own show Cottonmouth and Black Mariah had more interesting stories and fantastic actors.
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Koalas March posted:I wouldn't blame Colter for that terrible line. That's on the writers, I can't imagine any delivery that wouldn't just be awful in some way or another.. and directing is literally my job. 😂😂 Seriously. You could have given that line to Freeman, Jones, or even Walken and it wouldn't matter. Nobody could make it sound any less poo poo.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Nobody's gonna call Colter the next Meryl Streep, but he's not that bad. He at least managed to correctly portray the emotions he was supposed to be feeling in a given scene. Compare that to Finn Jones, who just seemed petulant every time he was supposed to be angry. Cottonmouth I'll give you, but I didn't care for Black Mariah. I quite liked Luke Cage himself in his series. Felt like they got exactly what they wanted - a quiet, reserved guy who just wants to be left alone and doesn't want to be a hero but cares too much about his community.
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Skippy McPants posted:Seriously. You could have given that line to Freeman, Jones, or even Walken and it wouldn't matter. Nobody could make it sound any less poo poo. actually I'm pretty sure Walken is the only human alive who could make that line bearable, and only because it would be hilarious
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Autism Sneaks posted:actually I'm pretty sure Walken is the only human alive who could make that line bearable, and only because it would be hilarious Sam Jackson though.
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Finally watching Iron Fist because a) I hate myself and b) I have a lot of data entry for work to do, and need something mindless to watch in the background. The first two episodes are atrocious across the board. But episode three perks up, and might as well be the pilot. What caused this sudden upswing? I had to look it up and confirm, but its the first episode not written by Scott Buck. How that man gets work baffles me.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Finally watching Iron Fist because a) I hate myself and b) I have a lot of data entry for work to do, and need something mindless to watch in the background. And they thought he did such a good job with Iron Fist, they gave him Inhumans, too! 
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Narcissus1916 posted:Finally watching Iron Fist because a) I hate myself and b) I have a lot of data entry for work to do, and need something mindless to watch in the background. I'll stick up for the doctor in episode 2. Him being genuinely on the up-and-up was at least slightly interesting to watch.
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Its incredible how unlikable Danny Rand is. And well most of that is on Finn Jones, its not like he's given a ton to work with. Danny's childlike glee would be more believable if he had been swiped as a toddler, not as an adolescent. He's just repeatedly an entitled twat, and I don't think the show has any awareness of it. Like how he wants Rand Industries to sell a medication at cost. Fighting price gouging is great, but bankrupting the company is not. They even have a board member mention that a good chunk of profits go towards new research, but Danny just sashays in like a shithead and then leaves. The biggest issue is that I have NO IDEA why he actually returned to New York. I thought he was sent there to fight The Hand, but when he first hears about them he's apparently surprised they exist at all. So he just like.... showed up? To... run his Dad's company? And.... forget his Iron Fisting? Its just weird, man.
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Narcissus1916 posted:What caused this sudden upswing? I had to look it up and confirm, but its the first episode not written by Scott Buck. It's just like comics in that way. You'll be following a cool storyline and suddenly the art in the next issue looks like the penciler has no idea what human faces look like and the inker makes a character look like she's balding and uses a bunch of parallel lines to fake a shadow effect because they can't actually do shading very well.
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Danny Rand is about as unlikable as you would expect someone to be if they were raised by ultra-rich parents, then ended up as the sole survivor of a plane crash at age 10 and got That said, I liked Iron Fist mostly because of the Maechums. For some reason I found their family drama extremely intriguing. David Wenham especially is one hell of an actor, and the way Harold rises from the dead and walks around the park dazed and confused and very slowly regains his humanity was easily the highlight of the show for me.
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I just watched the first 8 or so episodes of Iron Fist this weekend, and... ehhh. It's not horrible, the acting is generally good, the fight choreography is very good, and it has the same high production standards as all the Marvel Netflix shows. But the writing.... ugghhhh. Danny pretty much just flails around randomly. And, so many plot holes. Like when he takes the Lexus to the warehouses. He was in a monastery from the age of ten, where did he learn to drive? When he decides to fly off to China, he takes a Rand corporate jet... knowing that Gao has spies all over the company??enraged_camel posted:That said, I liked Iron Fist mostly because of the Maechums. For some reason I found their family drama extremely intriguing. David Wenham especially is one hell of an actor, and the way Harold rises from the dead and walks around the park dazed and confused and very slowly regains his humanity was easily the highlight of the show for me. Rofl, I didn't get this far yet, but I thought this was going to happen.
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Narcissus1916 posted:How that man gets work baffles me. Given how much of Iron Fist was apparently getting hosed around behind the scenes I always assumed that they hired him because he could deliver the series on time and under budget.
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Kegslayer posted:Given how much of Iron Fist was apparently getting hosed around behind the scenes I always assumed that they hired him because he could deliver the series on time and under budget. Marvel likes to hire directors that will listen to orders, as far as I can tell. The movies/shows with a distinct voice are the exceptions that prove the rule. The Netflix shows, at least, were mostly distinct in their first seasons, for better or worse, with DD, JJ and LC. Daredevil season two, though, while still good was lacking and a lot of it felt like the new show runners just following the mold DeKnight left. Iron Fist came after the middling Daredevil season, and it just feels to me like they realized Defenders had to happen soon, and rushed it out because it had been taking too long. Either because nobody was coming to them with any good pitches, other production issues, or maybe just because they didn't really care. I liked Iron Fist, but it had a lot of stupid problems and I don't plan on watching it again. As for Finn Jones, I think he could do just fine if working with people who actually give a gently caress about the property and want it to be good. Like IF is hosed if they don't change show runners, imo.
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Iron Fist would've been a lot better if someone would call Danny on his poo poo. But no one does until Devos. In fact people just fall all over themselves talking about how awesome Danny is. That's why Devos is such a breath of fresh air. But he doesn't show up until the show is almost over.
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Iron Fist wasn't as good as the other shows, but I never found Danny that unlikeable. He has a certain idiot charm.Narcissus1916 posted:Like how he wants Rand Industries to sell a medication at cost. Fighting price gouging is great, but bankrupting the company is not. They even have a board member mention that a good chunk of profits go towards new research, but Danny just sashays in like a shithead and then leaves. "Profits go to fund new research" is just the standard defence of privatised for profit healthcare. Danny is completely right to be against it.
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marktheando posted:Iron Fist wasn't as good as the other shows, but I never found Danny that unlikeable. He has a certain idiot charm. Don't forget that high drug prices are justified by massive marketing budgets!  Finn Jones is fine, he's playing the character as written. He's still mid-origin story. A pacing problem, perhaps.
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Narcissus1916 posted:
He returned to New York because for the first time since he'd been at Kun Lun the path home was open. He went for the Iron Fist because he thought it would be a more fulfilling life, but he got disillusioned pretty quick with what is essentially sentry duty. They make a big point about how he abandoned his post and betrayed everyone there by leaving, but in the end he couldn't resist taking the rare chance to go home. It's pretty simple.
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enraged_camel posted:Danny Rand is about as unlikable as you would expect someone to be if they were raised by ultra-rich parents, then ended up as the sole survivor of a plane crash at age 10 and got But he talked about stealing donkey carts to go to town, and underground fight clubs. Kun Lun, apparently, isn't just a monastery, it's an actual city full of non-monks, and Danny interacted with them. Yeah, Danny should be weird from his weird life, and it would make sense for him to have trouble adjusting to being by himself in a modern city. But what we know of his backstory doesn't justify the level of child-like idiocy he displayed early on in the show.
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There are dumber people in real life.
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ShakeZula posted:He returned to New York because for the first time since he'd been at Kun Lun the path home was open. He went for the Iron Fist because he thought it would be a more fulfilling life, but he got disillusioned pretty quick with what is essentially sentry duty. They make a big point about how he abandoned his post and betrayed everyone there by leaving, but in the end he couldn't resist taking the rare chance to go home. It's pretty simple. Danny Rand decided to try to be Iron Fist because he thought it would be a more fulfilling life. It wasn't, so he decided to try to run the Rand Corporation, because he thought it would be a more fulfilling life. It wasn't, so he decided to try to beat the Hand, because he thought it would make either of the previous two things he'd already hosed up better. It didn't.
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I thought he said that he thought he could never be the Iron First, but it chose him.
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enraged_camel posted:I thought he said that he thought he could never be the Iron First, but it chose him. The show really sucks at explaining character motivations.
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homullus posted:Danny Rand decided to try to be Iron Fist because he thought it would be a more fulfilling life. It wasn't, so he decided to try to run the Rand Corporation, because he thought it would be a more fulfilling life. It wasn't, so he decided to try to beat the Hand, because he thought it would make either of the previous two things he'd already hosed up better. It didn't. Presumably, becoming the Iron Fist required years of training and also fighting a dragon. He did all of that and found it unfulfilling, fine. But then he becomes head of Rand, fucks up immediately but refuses to learn anything or listen to anyone, and just continues to gently caress up and ignore everyone else. All the while enjoying the perks of a massive apartment, expensive food, expensive car, and forcing a woman to interact with him by becoming her landlord. Danny wants to become the head of Rand because it was his father's company, he never acts like it's to give him a purpose or meaning in life. He cared about having the company, not running the company or the company itself.
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Maybe we were actually just watching it the wrong way the whole time.
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marktheando posted:"Profits go to fund new research" is just the standard defence of privatised for profit healthcare. Danny is completely right to be against it. Maybe so, but he's fixing the problem in the dumbest most oversimplified way possible. Then again him and his friends somehow got ousted from a company they collectively own 100% of, so what should I expect.
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RareAcumen posted:Maybe we were actually just watching it the wrong way the whole time. We didn't choose to watch the show, the show chose to watch us
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Guy Goodbody posted:Presumably, becoming the Iron Fist required years of training and also fighting a dragon. He did all of that and found it unfulfilling, fine. But then he becomes head of Rand, fucks up immediately but refuses to learn anything or listen to anyone, and just continues to gently caress up and ignore everyone else. All the while enjoying the perks of a massive apartment, expensive food, expensive car, and forcing a woman to interact with him by becoming her landlord. So much of Danny's drives, motivations, and failures seem like they're just inches from having an actual through line of Buddhist philosophy leading to Danny's growth. Then they just shrug their shoulders and push on with fortune cookie wisdom drops at inappropriate times and a refusal to learn anything. I have a feeling that at one point they had a decent outline that actually did something with the extremely rough sketch parallel of Danny and Buddha's lives, but 10 to 12 rewrites later all that was left was plots that almost got in the vicinity of a point and an insistence on dropping ancient Chinese bons mots. It didn't help that it's pretty clear that they realized that watching Kung Fu: The Series might help them understand a foundational aspect of the character, but they didn't feel like they had the time to watch it. So they asked their Uncle to summarize it for them, and he told them all about Kung Fu: The Legend Continues.
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Some big things about Rand's character which are portrayed but not written or acted well is the fact that while Rand left the real world in tragedy, he was still completely sheltered and privileged in that world. He left that life with an idealized version of it. When he was rescued, he was immediately thrown into training to be some mystical warrior. He never had a chance to work through losing his parents. So he throws himself into training and has one goal: to be the best. Surprise, he reaches the highest he can attain and he's unfulfilled. Turns out that monks who preach spirituality didn't really give much of a gently caress about helping him except when it comes to how to fight the Hand. He takes the first out he can and goes into the real world naive (because he left the real world not experiencing any evil), petulant (he comes from a world of privilege) and idealistic (monks be preachin' poo poo all day) as gently caress. Then, another shocker, Danny has anger management issues because 1. He never got over his parents dying 2. Monks only trained him to fight the Hand 3. You can be humble around monks but you expect people to treat you with respect since you're dead rich guy's son. So he freaks the gently caress out when people he cared for back in the day are loving him over and finds out the world is full of assholes who don't give a poo poo about him.
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Are there any good comprehensive accounts of just how cocked up Iron Fist's production was? I know Jones has talked about having fifteen minutes to learn choreography, but what caused the mess in the first place?
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Narcissus1916 posted:Are there any good comprehensive accounts of just how cocked up Iron Fist's production was? I know Jones has talked about having fifteen minutes to learn choreography, but what caused the mess in the first place? I know they didn't cast him until like a month before shooting started.
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