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The Lord of Hats posted:I mean, I've got other stuff feeding into the setup spec, but I don't think it'd be a good idea to blare it all out immediately before I've seen anything else. Bifauxnen posted:I'm certain of who I want to lunch most. I have certainly not failed to look at and case and consider other people. But among all those people who I also feel unsure about, I feel more sure about Hats, and I feel sure that Hats would be the most potentially valuable to flip. It would be far more foolish imo to vote someone other than Hats. I feel nearly certain that Hats revealing that he has "other stuff feeding into the setup spec" is the reason that Bif wants Hats dead at all costs, and I really can't think of a pro-town reason for that to be the case.
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Murmur Twin posted:A - I'm Vengeance-Aligned. I don't have any way to kill anyone. The fact that you didn't just answer that straight-up answer that doesn't look that great to me. what
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hey Birb, MT's going to sleep so I'll ask you instead - are you a cop? If you don't answer my straightforward question I'm gonna find it very suss
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Yea, Bif did at least answer that, if in a weird fashion. On top of all the protomen lyrics. Bif has stated several times she's vengeance. It could still be a lie, mind, but it has been answered. Unless you don't like that she didn't answer that question directly in it's own post because there isn't a lie detector because that's never a thing but you hope anyway.
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Aug 10, 2017 07:34
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Bifauxnen posted:hey Birb, MT's going to sleep so I'll ask you instead - are you a cop? I'm not birb, but I will confirm that all of the letters in the word cop appear somewhere in my role PM. Sometimes even in the same sentence.
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Aug 10, 2017 07:36
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Bifauxnen posted:hey Birb, MT's going to sleep so I'll ask you instead - are you a cop? No I'm a lawyer
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Mithross posted:Yea, Bif did at least answer that, if in a weird fashion. On top of all the protomen lyrics. Bif has stated several times she's vengeance. It could still be a lie, mind, but it has been answered. yeah I really got into my PM I love my backstory I think she might have switched the order of the questions though and is actually wanting me to answer if I have an NK power? And maybe she thinks that's somehow relevant to whether town could flip a scum in the n0 plot event??
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Aug 10, 2017 07:37
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Bifauxnen posted:I noticed that later and thought that might have been what you meant, but it does still seem like a stretch to me, especially since you mentioned other scum factions: Do you understand the difference between the specific question I'm asking you and the nonsense hypothetical you're using to avoid addressing the point I'm making?
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Aug 10, 2017 07:38
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Is the sisterhood strong enough that this unresolvable quarrel is just a distraction from Hays' evil plan to prank my phone and never give me a job
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Birdstrike posted:No I'm a lawyer I'm just a guy who looks out for his friends but there was one I couldn't save I don't care what it costs me, I will make them suffer the way I had to suffer I will have my vengeance Murmur Twin posted:Do you understand the difference between the specific question I'm asking you and the nonsense hypothetical you're using to avoid addressing the point I'm making? what's the point though, n0 is a plot event, not a mechanics thing. I just saw Ecco was killed many times over, and thought it made sense cause if every Vengeance-aligned person has a story half as fun as mine, we should ALL want her dead. It made plot sense to me.
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Aug 10, 2017 07:42
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Bifauxnen posted:yeah I really got into my PM I love my backstory Jesus Christ. I quoted the exact post I was replying to and I don't know how much clearer I can make the point. I'm accusing your case on Hats of being based on a false premise that it was suspicious of him to think someone other than Vengeance did the kill when, in fact, it was a pretty fairly reasonable conclusion to come to. And I'm saying that you're scum who is purposely trying to drive the lynch on Hats because he accidentally let slip that he has flavor knowledge.
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Aug 10, 2017 07:44
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MMT is just reading real scummy to me :\
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Aug 10, 2017 07:45
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Birdstrike posted:Is the sisterhood strong enough that this unresolvable quarrel is just a distraction from Hays' evil plan to prank my phone and never give me a job I mean don't get me wrong I still think Bif is the poo poo  I just also think she rolled scum this game.
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Bifauxnen posted:I'm just a guy who looks out for his friends I defended someone on a stalking charge but later figured out they shouldn't have won or something and now I hate my client even though I think they paid me? idk I don't think Podima knows many lawyers
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Without wanting to get very deep into my PM, I will say that I also had a very good reason to want ecco dead. Like, possibly justifiable homicide, certainly minimum sentence/plea deal and probation.
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Murmur Twin posted:Jesus Christ. I quoted the exact post I was replying to and I don't know how much clearer I can make the point. no see, I think everyone from Vengeance was in on the kill. I thought it was weird that Hats was talking about either different scum factions or SK's or just ONE "especially" murderous townie (why'd he specify "especially" if he missed the "many times over"?) when we should ALL want Ecco dead. And then he doubled down trying to explain how well, he just thought that maybe everyone had these different motivations, you know, but nobody really necessarily wanted to act on them, and... it's just bizarre, it sounds so much like he was just trying to overjustify his reasoning after he got caught out. And it sure doesn't sound like he knows what Vengeance means.
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Bifauxnen posted:what's the point though, n0 is a plot event, not a mechanics thing. I just saw Ecco was killed many times over, and thought it made sense cause if every Vengeance-aligned person has a story half as fun as mine, we should ALL want her dead. It made plot sense to me. OK fine but you're the one who wants to lynch someone over it Bifauxnen posted:Actually you know what Can you explain to me in your own words why you're so sure that Hats is the right lynch today?
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Bif why did you want to know if I was a cop?
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Once I realized that Vengeance was town and not 3P, my first assumption was that flavor wise, this is a reverse game, where town is the "scum" operating outside the law. As such, when we vote someone, we're participating in group killing them because we thing they're part of the family. We all happen to know the face of what's his face, so we got him n0 before anyone was onto us. My assumption isn't that there should be a killing role to make the n0 kill, but that we were all in on it. I can understand confusion around that point, since the n0 kill is usually a town role whose murder lets the town know that something is going on, flavor wise. But in a game where the uninformed majority are the people actually committing murders outside the law, the "scum" flip makes sense. I don't think the kill flavor argument is going to do anything but go in circles until we get nk flavor tomorrow.
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Murmur Twin posted:OK fine but you're the one who wants to lynch someone over it that's... Mafia... because out of all the people I find most scummy, currently in this order: Hats tpink LMac you pera Birb Hats is at the top. There has also been much interaction and discussion over the Hats case, so a Hats flip would give us lots of potential connections to look at. And his flip may give us some more insights to think about regarding the setup and his opinions on them, admittedly I don't know what yet
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Birdstrike posted:Bif why did you want to know if I was a cop? omg what is with you this game
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Mithross posted:Once I realized that Vengeance was town and not 3P, my first assumption was that flavor wise, this is a reverse game, where town is the "scum" operating outside the law. As such, when we vote someone, we're participating in group killing them because we thing they're part of the family. yeah, it's like JoJo 3 where the town was evil servants of DIO hunting the heroic Joestar scum (PS, Hats was in JoJo 3)
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Bifauxnen posted:omg what is with you this game seems kinda rolefishy
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Birdstrike posted:seems kinda rolefishy MT asked me if I had a killing role. I didn't answer this and called it suss because it was rolefishing. She directly asked me, about my role. Thus rolefishing. I then proceeded to joke with my bud Birb who I believe to be an expert on jokes, asking him about his role, except an even more sensitive one that is classicly best to not ask about, and followed it up with an immediate threat that if he did not answer my question about him being a cop that I would find his reluctance very scummy indeed!
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Bifauxnen posted:no see, I think everyone from Vengeance was in on the kill. I thought it was weird that Hats was talking about either different scum factions or SK's or just ONE "especially" murderous townie (why'd he specify "especially" if he missed the "many times over"?) when we should ALL want Ecco dead. (a) Every Shine game has had an SK or multiple scum factions (b) Hats made that post at the very start of the game and it's crazy that this many people are not only casing him for it, but insisting that he be the vote (c) Bif has even said that her priority isn't so much to hunt scum as it is to "get information from Hat's flip" I really really need to go to bed so I'm just going to ask people to read over Bif and ask themselves if her conviction for voting Hats comes from a town perspective.
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Bifauxnen posted:MT asked me if I had a killing role. I didn't answer this and called it suss because it was rolefishing. She directly asked me, about my role. Thus rolefishing. I wasn't asking because I thought you would tell me if you had a killing role. Obviously.
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Bifauxnen posted:MT asked me if I had a killing role. I didn't answer this and called it suss because it was rolefishing. She directly asked me, about my role. Thus rolefishing. I'm vadina-ing it up
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Murmur Twin posted:(c) Bif has even said that her priority isn't so much to hunt scum what
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Bifauxnen posted:because out of all the people I find most scummy, currently in this order: I have amended this list to raise MT up higher as appropriate.
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Bifauxnen posted:MT asked me if I had a killing role. I didn't answer this and called it suss because it was rolefishing. She directly asked me, about my role. Thus rolefishing. Remember that game where Mags asked me to say "I am scum" and when I awkwardly answered it with (no I'm not) he correctly pegged that I was being scummily self-conscious? Was he rolefishing?
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Murmur Twin posted:Remember that game where Mags asked me to say "I am scum" and when I awkwardly answered it with (no I'm not) he correctly pegged that I was being scummily self-conscious? no? Because he wasn't asking anyone about roles? And even if he was actually asking for real about alignments and that wasn't ridiculous except as a self-consciousness exercise, that's kind of the goal of playing Mafia??
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Murmur Twin posted:Remember that game where Mags asked me to say "I am scum" and when I awkwardly answered it with (no I'm not) he correctly pegged that I was being scummily self-conscious? yes
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Murmur Twin posted:
im not trying to paint a picture, you asked me if mafia would want to lay low. i said they would, but i also explained that mafia also liked to paint pictures of doubt. we're talking about scum as a whole in this specific dialog, not hats. what you're doing here is picture painting come on dude. is hats 100% definitely scum? I don't know and i never said hats was, but hats is where i feel strongest in that direction out of everyone up to this current point. Murmur Twin posted:OK so first of all, you've been scum before. (link). you're putting a lot of words into my mouth here? considering how many games we've played together in the past you know i was joking with my last sentence there, don't be a corncob. what hats did early on aroused my suspicion, nothing hats has done has really done anything to quell my suspicion. im not "painting a picture" like you've been saying (but you're doin a lot of canvaswork yourself). there are a lot of posters here. there are a lot of lurkers here. theres a lot of people that are hard to read through a lot of dialogue, especially when every time i check the thread there are 3-5 new pages of content to trudge through. im workin with what i got on the people ive tried to read so far.
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Bifauxnen posted:what Bifauxnen posted:even if I'm wrong about Hats, we'll learn that his spec was genuine, and that is a good thing to know
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gif Probst posted:asking someone if they had a killing role is 100% role fishing why are you answering this question with an unrelated question Can you explain to me in your own words why I asked her that?
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gif Probst posted:corncob. what is binch?
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