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Murmur Twin posted:I feel like you might have been better served discussing those cases instead of summarizing my first few posts in the game without making an alignment call, but you do you. this is a good question it's so weird, at the start I thought Birb was townie as gently caress (that is literally what I put in the spreadsheet) the way he was apparently casing immediately, but he sees both me and 8bux as scummy despite us going for the same kind of flavor-detective angle he was, and he gets mad about me conflating my Hats case with his Jeabus case even though mine was fuckin better, and then he doesn't wanna vote for bloody anybody who has actual good reasons to vote for them, like tpink the only thing I can think of lately that I do agree with him on is thinking pera might be scum just following along with who I'm voting, but I wouldn't mind waiting a bit longer with her to see what she's got after D1.
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Birdstrike posted:SACRIFICE #2: MMT LOL this post is literally you "analyzing" my first four posts in the game and then summarizing everything I said post-jokephase as quote:MMT then gets some other opinions on people who aren't Quid, some of which I agree with, some of which I don't (ie I wouldn't vote tpink)
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Aug 10, 2017 03:13
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Brain needs a recharge, I'm going to bed. I'll run down the list tomorrow, give opinions. G'night all
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Aug 10, 2017 03:25
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Murmur Twin posted:LOL this post is literally you "analyzing" my first four posts in the game and then summarizing everything I said post-jokephase as yeah ScumderdomeTM kind of fizzled out there
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Aug 10, 2017 03:27
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Murmur Twin posted:Why would scum (whose goal is to go undetected and blend into town) do that, though? Like to what end? i find max's buddying of hats from early on to be suspicious, im not sure where i sit on quid. i dont like him but i havent had anything jump out at me that says "im scum", not in the way that hats actions early on did. i've played with him but ive never focused on him to form a meta opinion, in fact outside of asiina (whose scumtell is dropping replacing on day 2) i dont really have a meta opinion of anyone because of how infrequently i play.
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Bifauxnen posted:But when I posted "too late buddy", writing off the possibility that LMac's claimed confusion meant anything, (which in fact was the attitude LMac claims we wants us to have!) He went off sounding angry imo, about how he didn't care it was too late, and how we shouldn't be considering people cleared. And then he got mad about being called mad. Not quite off work yet but I said this would be the first thing I looked at when I could. These are the posts I could find of LM's that seem relevant to what your point was here: Little Mac posted:Like lol if you think any of you are confirmed town or some bullshit. I'm not jumping on some dumb train. I will say, however, being "Vengeance-aligned" should have (TOWN) right next to it. Little Mac posted:I think the fact that you're believing each other to be cleared could very easily bite us in the rear end late in the game. You're reading anger when there is none. I just think your "strategy" is pretty loving dumb. I'm vanilla so killing me won't hurt the town much, though. Little Mac posted:It felt to me like you were confirming a small group of people publicly on something specious. It still does. It's dumb. I don't really care if you vote me though. ...and, y'know, I get what you're saying. He does sound irritated about being called out as irritated. This is D1. Nobody should or can be cleared about anything this early. Claims vanilla to little pressure. And then with the last post he writes it off with "you're wrong but vote me, whatever." I don't like the tone and don't like the conclusion. This is good enough until I get home and catch up on the last 100 posts you guys made since I was here before. ##vote Little Mac
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Aug 10, 2017 03:35
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Bifauxnen posted:this is a good question You're not having a good run of it today:
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Aug 10, 2017 03:36
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Put the scenario of doubt on the N0 flip? I mean, if you were accusing me of fake content, sure, I get where you'd be coming from, but what kind of doubt am I even sowing? I'm taking a detail and saying "Hey, there could be more that we can read into this". I don't see what established knowledge I'm undermining there.
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Aug 10, 2017 03:37
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Bif it's like you're skimming my posts without understanding them. p suss
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Aug 10, 2017 03:37
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Hunies, help me out here Is Max's detached posting style a scumtell or a 3P tell based on that setup?
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Aug 10, 2017 03:41
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Birdstrike posted:[*]I didn't case you or 8bux for that. I think your case on LMac was weak. I vote 8bux because he's asking people questions and not actually contributing. but didn't you notice 8bux started suddenly asking people what they thought about Hats and Jeabus after he noted our cases and liked them, saying flavor was important? At the time I got a super townie vibe off 8bux from that, like he twigged onto what we were doing and wanted to try and help get people's opinions about it on the record before we overexplained everything too much. I might be biased cause I like to play Grand Mafia Inquisitor whenever I get the chance, but to me it felt like a really natural progression in his strategy. Birdstrike posted:Hunies, help me out here uhhhh man I don't know literally no one in that game was town so it's hard to really judge people's styles Birdstrike posted:Bif it's like you're skimming my posts without understanding them. p suss oh no are you projecting scum Birb 
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Aug 10, 2017 03:47
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Bifauxnen posted:but to me it felt like a really natural progression in his strategy. are you protecting your scum Bif 
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Aug 10, 2017 03:53
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Birdstrike posted:are you protecting your scum Bif are you answering my question with another question
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Aug 10, 2017 03:54
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Bifauxnen posted:are you answering my question with another question I find that 8bux had no strategy, ergo your question was void 
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Birdstrike posted:I find that 8bux had no strategy, ergo your question was void OOC: my character is a lawyer
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Aug 10, 2017 03:57
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Birdstrike posted:I find that 8bux had no strategy, ergo your question was void oh well, you know I won't vote you till crunch time at least
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Aug 10, 2017 03:58
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Bifauxnen posted:oh well, you know I won't vote you till crunch time at least Don't worry, I'll be nk'd before then! 
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Aug 10, 2017 04:11
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Yo I just decided my character definitely has a moustache.
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Sandwolf posted:Yo I just decided my character definitely has a moustache.  TMM popped in, basically dropped a few self-conscious meta reads on himself, and peaced out without actually laying down anything. That feels real bad to me. Mith feels a bit better to me, since they've been commenting on some stuff as it went on. Hats is still pinging me because he's obviously following, but he's still focusing on his N0 stuff and thread filler. His gif probst read sounds like an overclarified OMGUS. Lil Mac and Hal should post more too  .
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Aug 10, 2017 05:17
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I would vote TMM
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Aug 10, 2017 05:19
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Eight Dollars posted:Hats is still pinging me because he's obviously following, but he's still focusing on his N0 stuff and thread filler. on top of that, the n0 stuff continues to be very bad. (bolding below is mine) The Lord of Hats posted:Because for as much as I talked about the n0 kill, and about flavor in general, I managed to skip over the flavor text for the actual kill because I was so taken aback by the kill being on Scum. Because of that, I thought the scenario was more "there's a bunch of people who all hate the Chauvin de la Frenieres on the train, who don't exactly have it in them to commit outright murder, but there's also someone out there whose grudge goes further, and a bloodbath ensues as the townies start feeling opportunistic" than "the townies all got together and merked a dude without an inciting event to get things rolling". Just ask yourselves people, if just from glancing at the n0 flip you would put that much thought into that much of a weird scenario instead of just going: "yay, vengeance for town, since I am a town, and vengeance aligned, this makes sense for the plot!" like I said before, I really want to find out if Hats was just spitballing, or if his thoughts about other factions come from a position of scum knowledge.
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Aug 10, 2017 05:40
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@podima You must be very proud of yourself having tied d1 in knots with the n0 flip, something I am not sure has ever occurred ---
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Aug 10, 2017 05:45
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hats can you provide any reads or thoughts on the game that doesn't relate to n0 flip
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IllegallySober posted:Not quite off work yet but I said this would be the first thing I looked at when I could. These are the posts I could find of LM's that seem relevant to what your point was here: this post is pinging me
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Aug 10, 2017 05:47
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any particular reason you're not voting Hats yet, Foo?
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Alright, it's time to dig in, but first I want a little snapshot of time in my post history. Votecount for Day 1   The Lord of Hats (3): gif Probst, Bifauxnen, Quidthulhu, TMMadman (2): The Ninth Layer, Max Jeabus Mahogany (2): Birdstrike, Max, Asiina, Bifauxnen, gif Probst (2): Quidthulhu, Eight Dollars (1): Birdstrike Little Mac (1): Bifauxnen, Max, Quidthulhu, peramene, Mayor Glowku (1): Captain Foo Quidthulhu (1): Murmur Twin, tpink (1): Mithross, Murmur Twin (1): TMMadman, Quidthulhu, Birdstrike (0): Jeabus Mahogany, IllegallySober (0): Max, Mithross (0): Bifauxnen, peramene (0): Max, The Ninth Layer (0): TMMadman, Somberbrero (0): Mayor Glowku, Hal Incandenza (0): The Ninth Layer, TMMadman, Max (0): Sandwolf, Bifauxnen (0): TMMadman, Mayor Glowku, Asiina (0): Bifauxnen, Murmur Twin, Not Voting (8): Eight Dollars, Hal Incandenza, Jeabus Mahogany, Little Mac, Mithross, Somberbrero, TMMadman, tpink  With 23 people still alive, it takes 12 votes to lynch. The current deadline is August 10th, 2017 at 8 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 19 hours, 7 minutes. The Sunset Limited is chugging along at a steady clip. Today's lynch method is Simple Majority! These days, nobody talks about what folks have dubbed "The Weird Times" in New Orleans last year. The Shine-soaked city was rocked by what - on the surface, at least - appeared to be a simple gang war. But those in the know agree there was something much darker going on behind that... Death walked the streets (literally, according to some stories), and left many good men and women dead in its wake.
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Bifauxnen posted:on top of that, the n0 stuff continues to be very bad. (bolding below is mine) It doesn't seem to me like you want to find out. It seems to me like you're specifically trying to convince other people to vote for Hats. The Lord of Hats posted:I mean, I've got other stuff feeding into the setup spec, but I don't think it'd be a good idea to blare it all out immediately before I've seen anything else. He pretty much admitted that he knows something, but given that Pod recommended we don't claim he didn't share it and I'm personally fine with that. gif Probst posted:scum's goal is to go undetected and blend in yes. scum also does not want town to have a clear picture of what is going on. what hats did was speculative but in such a way as to put the scenario of doubt on the n0 flip from the get go. as town, what gains are there to even open a discussion like this? i don't see any, if you do please feel free to explain it to me. You're trying to paint the picture that Hats had an agenda when he made those posts. What's so hard to believe about the fact that it was early on D1 and, as town, he was just sharing what he was thinking without some grand strategy in play? I've already felt pretty strongly that the case on Hats sounds like scum trying to push a narrative that doesn't make sense but Probst's post is the worst offender so far. I find it so hard to believe that the bolded part (a) is genuinely what he thinks Hats was doing and (b) is a play that scum would make.
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Murmur Twin posted:It doesn't seem to me like you want to find out. It seems to me like you're specifically trying to convince other people to vote for Hats. ....yes. I very much want people to vote for Hats. idgi
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Aug 10, 2017 06:17
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but hey if you think I'm trying to keep it concealed or something how much I hope to persuade people to vote Hats I'm sure I could write up 10 more posts about him
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Birdstrike posted:thunder dome is where you can only vote for one of 2 people, I thought if we got rid of one of Quid and MMT it would be good but there are probably better votes i would love to be scrutinized and also to beat up quid but i understand if you want maximum pre-fizz and am happy to wait my turn I doubt it does anything whatsoever for the game but when birb and bif start flailing at one another I just get so delighted, you two are the best goodnight everybody
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gif Probst posted:after rereading with context instead of just clickin that question mark, i dont think burgundy is scum. I saw some things that could be construed as buddying, little things here and there, but i think that is just how he is as a poster and it didnt come off as filler on a reread. my initial suspicion toward him was because of his usage of prior game meta, to me it came off as him trying to put a blanket read on a behavior that wouldn't be really verifiable to people who werent part of the game but would help assauge him as trying and giving earnest reads. to me this came off as deceptive, but reading into things more, i understand why hes giving these reads when some players do fall into certain patterns, unlike me, who is always town and has never been scum before. OK so first of all, you've been scum before. (link). Second of all, the language you're using here looks like someone who is lying.  A blanket read on a behavior that wouldn't be really verifiable to people who weren't part of the game but would help assuage him as trying and giving earnest reads ?quote:scum's goal is to go undetected and blend in yes. scum also does not want town to have a clear picture of what is going on. what hats did was speculative but in such a way as to put the scenario of doubt on the n0 flip from the get go. as town, what gains are there to even open a discussion like this? i don't see any, if you do please feel free to explain it to me. And third, as mentioned, I don't buy that in a game with this much content, that your strongest scum read could be based on thinking that scum Hats had some sort of master plan to fool town by speculating on the N0 kill. ##vote gif probst I also think pera and tpink (and probably asii but I haven't reread her yet?) are scum and would vote for any of them. I'm admittedly cooling on Quid 
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Murmur Twin posted:And third, as mentioned, I don't buy that in a game with this much content, that your strongest scum read could be based on thinking that scum Hats had some sort of master plan to fool town by speculating on the N0 kill. now who's pushing a narrative? You're framing Hats up as needing to be like THIS to possibly be scum. Speculating on other factions or SK's is a great way for scum to try and look genuine in their investigations. Hats needs no such master plan. He just needed to be spitballing from a scum perspective and post it cause that felt easier and more believable than trying to whip up some fake case on a townie.
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Birdstrike posted:##vote MMT let me guess, even though you think she's scum you find nothing suss at all in how much she's backing up Hats
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I got this idea that Hats was flailing and that MMT needs to rescue her bro
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Bifauxnen posted:but hey if you think I'm trying to keep it concealed or something how much I hope to persuade people to vote Hats I'm sure I could write up 10 more posts about him It's not that I think you're trying to conceal it, it's I think that town Bif would be paranoid that she was making the wrong call on Hats and would be doing everything she could to second-guess herself and make sure she was right before taking the lead. Instead you're projecting this aura of confidence that you're sure you know his alignment. It looks to me like you're scum who thinks she's found an easy case to push.
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Bifauxnen posted:now who's pushing a narrative? You're framing Hats up as needing to be like THIS to possibly be scum. What's your opinion of Probst, particularly regarding the points I just raised about him?
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Murmur Twin posted:It's not that I think you're trying to conceal it, it's I think that town Bif would be paranoid that she was making the wrong call on Hats and would be doing everything she could to second-guess herself and make sure she was right before taking the lead. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I don't know I might have some mysterious reason to be trying to second-guess myself less often these days
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Birdstrike posted:I got this idea that Hats was flailing and that MMT needs to rescue her bro so does this mean... you might think Hats is scum?!?!
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Murmur Twin posted:What's your opinion of Probst, particularly regarding the points I just raised about him? I was annoyed with him earlier when he suggested wanting to vote KB for no reason I could fathom, hell even if KB was actively looking scummy I'd like to give him at least a day that post you quoted with him pulling it back made me think he might just be walking it back cause he got bad reactions but I like that he's voting Hats and I don't like that you're defending Hats, so it evens out and I got him squarely in the purple "who the gently caress knows/wait for more info" category
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