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Bacon Terrorist posted:My mistake, got confused by it shipping with the beta. Zenimax, Bethesdas parent company, published both Doom and Wolfenstein as part of their purchase of id software; I'm not totally sure if id technically still owns Wolfenstein or not, though. Donovan Trip fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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With all of the machine soldiers and mechanized terror weapons running around, I'm surprised the Nazis, if they continue to exist even to 1970, aren't subtly aiming at mechanizing people in general. Like just outright "Flesh is always weak, always diminishes and deludes its once proud features into the weakness of age. The future for our culture is to be forever alive and strong as a living Panzermann.
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echronorian posted:Zenimax, Bethesdas parent company, published both Doom and Wolfenstein as part of their purchase of id software; I'm not totally sure if id technically still owns Wolfenstein or not, though.
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Xenomrph posted:I don't believe they do. Zenimax bought Id, so even if Id owns Wolfenstein/Doom, Zenimax owns Id. I was actually hoping you'd come in with a definitive answer :P If they outright own the properties I wonder what the terms are for id? They must have some bargaining power in the arrangement.
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Crabtree posted:With all of the machine soldiers and mechanized terror weapons running around, I'm surprised the Nazis, if they continue to exist even to 1970, aren't subtly aiming at mechanizing people in general. Like just outright "Flesh is always weak, always diminishes and deludes its once proud features into the weakness of age. The future for our culture is to be forever alive and strong as a living Panzermann. That's literally Deathshead's plan. He tells you at the end of TNO that he wants to meld the best qualities of people and machines into a perfect, ageless, obedient brain-in-a-suit.
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echronorian posted:I was actually hoping you'd come in with a definitive answer :P If they outright own the properties I wonder what the terms are for id? They must have some bargaining power in the arrangement. "Do what we say and we give you a paycheck, don't do what we say and we fire you and find someone who will"? Like, there aren't many original Id employees still working there today. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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General Battuta posted:That's literally Deathshead's plan. He tells you at the end of TNO that he wants to meld the best qualities of people and machines into a perfect, ageless, obedient brain-in-a-suit. poo poo I must have forgotten or didn't listen to his grandpa plan then. I wonder if that's still what the higher ups want then.
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Xenomrph posted:"Do what we say and we give you a paycheck, don't do what we say and we fire you and find someone who will"? Like, there aren't many original Id employees still working there today. When you think of the industry id came from it's incredible they are still a thing at all. How many companies from that era are even close to representing what they did at their height in the early 90s? Hollenshead and Carmack leaving was probably best for them and for id, imo.
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Crabtree posted:poo poo I must have forgotten or didn't listen to his grandpa plan then. I wonder if that's still what the higher ups want then. I don't recall if that is his plan for everyone, or if one of his hosed up personal goals in life is just build the ultimate robot so he can say he did it then move on. Still, maybe The Matrix came about due to Nazis. Maybe we're living in it right now... edit: echronorian posted:When you think of the industry id came from it's incredible they are still a thing at all. How many companies from that era are even close to representing what they did at their height in the early 90s? Hollenshead and Carmack leaving was probably best for them and for id, imo. There have been more Wolfenstein games since the RtCW reboot in 2001 (which I think still used some of the original team) than there were when the franchise first stated in 1981. And even more since the second reboot in 2009. Psychotic Weasel fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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I've been playing id games since wolf3d and honestly I think they're a better studio now than between ~2002 - 2013 but opinions differ
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I'm hype as hell for this game, and have been trying to get my fix with some of the alternatives mentioned here such as The Saboteur. There's also a standalone Doom mod called Wolfendoom: Blade of Agony. Despite the title being rather generic sounding, it's a pretty fun Wolfenstein game made by fans in the Doom engine. It doesn't require anything though! You can just download and play. Brief review: Starts out Medal of Honor, ends up Indiana Jones, complete with boulders and comically huge robo-nazis. The second episode came out last month, strongly recommended! Also I really, really am hoping that if we get The Second US Revolution as promised in the preview blurb, we get to hear something like the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Somehow I feel like that song basically describes BJ in a nutshell, if you replace "His truth" with "His never ending thirst for nazi blood". fake edit: Blade of Agony also features Mighty Boot functionality for maximum Nazi Stomping Quicksilver6 fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Quicksilver6 posted:I'm hype as hell for this game, and have been trying to get my fix with some of the alternatives mentioned here such as The Saboteur. There's also a standalone Doom mod called Wolfendoom: Blade of Agony. Despite the title being rather generic sounding, it's a pretty fun Wolfenstein game made by fans in the Doom engine. It doesn't require anything though! You can just download and play. Wow, thanks for posting this. It's like someone made a Wolfenstein in the era of Dark Forces. Definitely gonna play this during the week. kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Aug 21, 2017 |
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Quicksilver6 posted:Also I really, really am hoping that we get The Second US Revolution as promised in the preview blurb, we get to hear something like the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Somehow I feel like that song basically describes BJ in a nutshell, if you replace "His truth" with "His never ending thirst for nazi blood". That is the great truth of the world.
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Quicksilver6 posted:I'm hype as hell for this game, and have been trying to get my fix with some of the alternatives mentioned here such as The Saboteur. There's also a standalone Doom mod called Wolfendoom: Blade of Agony. Despite the title being rather generic sounding, it's a pretty fun Wolfenstein game made by fans in the Doom engine. It doesn't require anything though! You can just download and play.
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Scalding Coffee posted:Can you mod it for double mighty boot? Well, it's the doom engine so almost certainly.
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Quicksilver6 posted:I'm hype as hell for this game, and have been trying to get my fix with some of the alternatives mentioned here such as The Saboteur. There's also a standalone Doom mod called Wolfendoom: Blade of Agony. Despite the title being rather generic sounding, it's a pretty fun Wolfenstein game made by fans in the Doom engine. It doesn't require anything though! You can just download and play. gently caress yes I loved using the boot in RtCW, even though (iirc) it was on the Black button on the Xbox the First controller and so it was kinda awkward to use. But you better believe if there was a door that needed opening, I was kicking that poo poo in.
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never got around to getting old blood before now, but dang if it isn't nice saying hello to terror billy again.
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So I've been playing that Wolfendoom mod/game, and it does scratch that "Kill a bunch of Nazis" itch. It's like if you had a Wolfenstein game in the pre-Quake era. The graphics are great for that retro feel. The gunplay is great. The maps are superb. It has the most polish of a fan game that I've played since AM2R. It feels like a legit Wolfenstein game that would have come out in 1996. The story is pure Wolfenstein and isn't too hackily written. There's a few buts, though... 1. There is no indicator for backstabbing. You have to be crouching to backstab and I've rarely been able to pull off stealth kills because it's not clear when your knife swipe will actually be a backstab. The very first one in the game is also very troublesome, because there's a guard watching there, you go up to backstab him, and there's another guard right nearby who notices you regardless! 2. Enemies seem to be able to see you from ridiculous distances and through fog, and have excellent aim even on the middle difficulty. Crouchwalking is also not silent, which makes playing stealthily very difficult. The game is definitely more biased to guns blazing mode. 3. Enemies also seem really stupid, in that they have real trouble navigating walls. I'm used to Doom/Wolf3D where the enemies will make a buzz for you through doors once they're alerted to your presence, but many of the enemies get stuck on walls because they're trying to go straight for you when there's a blockage in the way. The enemy could go around the wall and get you. This is very exploitable in certain situations. 4. You can't interrupt the shell reloads on shotguns or the karabiner, so you better make sure you only reload at a safe place. 5. No checkpointing, so you better get used to quicksaving like back in the old days. 6. By default the grenade toss key is bound to Alt, which is bad if you want to alt-tab out of the game. I'd suggest remapping it. Those gripes aside, I would definitely recommend checking it out / playing it if you like Wolfenstein at all and enjoy a retro FPS experience.
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I kinda want them to adopt The Man in the High castle and make half of US under Nazi control and the other by the Japanese. To bad the Nazis had already hosed up Japan Robzilla fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Aug 24, 2017 |
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Robzilla posted:I kinda want them to adopt The Man in the High castle and make half of US under Nazi control and the other by the Japanese. If you're looking for more alt-history fiction with a Germany/Japan controlled USA, check out the book 'The Divide' by William Overgard. The premise is basically the same as Man in the High Castle, but it plays out like an action movie.
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I guess I messed up on my game purchase because I bought the Old Blood and started playing it before the New Order. Angrily googling "Wolf Old Blood First Level Terrible" brought up a lot of webpages and also a helpful hint on steam that you can go bananas on the super soldiers with the machine gun. I was so, so happy. What are some general combat tips and hints? I feel like I'm not using my weapons very effectively. I'm not used to barely surviving combat, although I guess I'm cleaning almost all the areas without dying?
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kefkafloyd posted:So I've been playing that Wolfendoom mod/game, and it does scratch that "Kill a bunch of Nazis" itch. It's like if you had a Wolfenstein game in the pre-Quake era. The graphics are great for that retro feel. The gunplay is great. The maps are superb. It has the most polish of a fan game that I've played since AM2R. It feels like a legit Wolfenstein game that would have come out in 1996. The story is pure Wolfenstein and isn't too hackily written. There's a few buts, though...
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I've been murdering and headshotting dudes left and right, I think I have the most trouble with melee combat not activating and figuring out the best way to kill those armor jerks (or shotgun turkeys)
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:I guess I messed up on my game purchase because I bought the Old Blood and started playing it before the New Order. Angrily googling "Wolf Old Blood First Level Terrible" brought up a lot of webpages and also a helpful hint on steam that you can go bananas on the super soldiers with the machine gun. I was so, so happy. The first level of the Old Blood sucks but it picks up significantly after that and level four is easily the highest point of the franchise. Just stealth kill one of the Uber Soldiers and take down the rest by shooting the power source connected to the wires on the ceiling rails if you get spotted. During combat run between cover and use the leaning function liberally. Wolfenstein was never Doom and the hitscan enemies will kill you easily if you stay out in the open, especially on higher difficulties. Dual wielding makes you sprint significantly slower, more so on TOB where there's no perk to upgrade it, so save it for when there's a crowd of regular enemies grouped together and near you. Shotgun nazis have a tank on their back that you can shoot (the bolt rifle is good for this) to usually kill them instantly. If not (I assume this has to do with the difficulty level) then a couple more shots should easily do it. If you don't care about saving ammo you can shoot at them until they die, dual shotguns are especially good for this. Upgraded UberSoldiers can be easily killed by shooting them in their power source to stun them, running up to them to melee the front armour out of them, then shooting them enough times in the heart until they die. If not you can shoot their back socket thing a couple of times to stun them again and instakill them with another melee move. If you don't care about any of this you can shoot at them until they die. Most of this applies to The New Order too since gameplay is nearly identical, but it's worth mentioning that TOB is harder since there's usually more enemies present and I believe their AI was tweaked a bit, ie. they seem to throw grenades much more often if you stay in the same spot. Areas also tend to be bigger so you can't stick to dual wielding assault rifles most of the time like in TNO.
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Did people really dual wield a lot in TNO? I always feel like I burn through my ammo way too fast for it to really be effective.
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Pendent posted:Did people really dual wield a lot in TNO? I always feel like I burn through my ammo way too fast for it to really be effective.
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Most of my TNO playthroughs were spent using dual assault rifles (+LKW for UberSoldiers) and I had to force myself to use anything else. It's a combination of things such as most encounters happening in small-medium sized areas, the perk upgrade that increases your dual wielding sprint speed, assault rifles having the biggest ammo reserve and the game rarely giving you the shotguns/sniper rifles or ammo for them. TOB is, as expected from a pseudo-sequel, better balanced and more refined in general.
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That was basically my experience as well, mostly dual assault rifles in TNO but more of a mixture in TOB but generally not dual wielding at all. Also there's Quakecon sales afoot, so Steam has sales on the Wolfenstein games available (so not 2009)! I know of a PSN sale but I haven't checked it, I would assume TNO and TOB are on sale there as well.
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I have enough Wolfenstein games to play all of October. A whole month of Nazis and zombies.
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Pendent posted:Did people really dual wield a lot in TNO? I always feel like I burn through my ammo way too fast for it to really be effective. I didn't normally dual-wield unless I just needed to kill poo poo faster than normal (with dual ARs or the shotguns). I significantly preferred being more maneuverable, sprint-sliding between cover and generally running BJ like der monkeyman. Pretty much never dual-wielded the marksman rifle, however. Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Aug 25, 2017 |
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GUI posted:The first level of the Old Blood sucks but it picks up significantly after that and level four is easily the highest point of the franchise. Just stealth kill one of the Uber Soldiers and take down the rest by shooting the power source connected to the wires on the ceiling rails if you get spotted. Well you confirmed a lot of stuff I was thinking and gave me some other good stuff! Thanks for the write up! I was just going for headshots with the sniper rifle on the shotgun zombies, it was a total pain in the rear end. What other enemies are vulnerable to headshots? Also, I felt like a total badass when I popped the Uber soldiers Tesla coil with one shot, popped his chest plate off, and put a bunch of shotgun rounds into his chest.
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Dual wielding the sniper rifle is worth doing once just to experience the hilarious recoil.
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Pendent posted:Did people really dual wield a lot in TNO? I always feel like I burn through my ammo way too fast for it to really be effective. On my most recent replay I did. Like others said, it was mostly dual AR. I didn't find ammo to be much of an issue since you get pretty good control by just firing in bursts. I'd just tap both mouse buttons and it killed most trash Nazis pretty easy. I also grabbed and used the mounted machineguns whenever I could as well.
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Werix posted:On my most recent replay I did. Like others said, it was mostly dual AR. I didn't find ammo to be much of an issue since you get pretty good control by just firing in bursts. I'd just tap both mouse buttons and it killed most trash Nazis pretty easy. TOB/TNO got the gunplay "right" in general but, man, those machineguns were just vicious. You really get a feel for their weight and awesome power, the way they recoil and the sound they make as they rip through ammo (and targets). I never thought I'd say that about an FPS weapon that is primarily mounted, since they generally seem really lame to me.
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I do wish the sound effects on the weapons were better. The damage and visual feedback really emphasized their lethality, but the sounds were like pop guns.
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I don't feel like the guns in The Old Blood do enough damage. Also how do stealth kills work? Who do Stealth Headshots kill? officers, grunts, slightly stronger grunts? Do you use the melee button or the primary fire button for stealth takedowns? Does it matter? Should you use the knife over the pipes? What enemies can you kill with the melee kills? What about the throwing knives? Goddamn this game needs a slight tutorial.
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:I don't feel like the guns in The Old Blood do enough damage. Stealth kills require you to press the middle button when you are behind an enemy and preferably crouching. You can do them standing up, but you need to be extremely fast because nazis will hear you running at them. Same goes for basic melee combat. You get a half second, non choreographed window to strike a Nazi before they hit you. Stealth Kills can also be done on sleeping dogs, and executions can be performed on downed ubersoldiers. Stealth headshots kill officers and all ranks of basic troopers, from the lowest grunt up to Deathshead Commandos. They don't work on Heavy Troopers or Ubersoltaten. Throwing knives are one hit kills for most enemies so long as you are in stealth. Alerted enemies don't take full damage from them. In general, the knives are better to use against human enemies, while the pipe is better versus zombies. Don't bother with the dual wield pipe, the basic one is better.
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I dual wielded all the time and almost never used sights. Why shoot one gun when you could shoot two?
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Mordja posted:I dual wielded all the time and almost never used sights. Why shoot one gun when you could shoot two? This
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BJ's new suit of Da'at Yichud armor should give him the strength to dual wield miniguns Hans grosse style
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