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Fitzy Fitz posted:The D&D episode follow-ups are incredibly stupid and immediately ruin any immersion in the story that you might have had. It seems like they use them to get out in front of anything unclear or done poorly. They were just straight-up like "we had Benjen come out of nowhere and save Jon because we have like 9 episodes left and we had to tie that poo poo up somehow. He was probably glad to get killed if you think about it."
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esperterra posted:The Wall is supposed to keep the Walkers from crossing, not their wights. 1: The White Walkers are made of ice. 2: The Wall is made of ice. 3: Dorne alone stood against the Targaryen conquest. Put all of that together, and it's clear that the show will end with the Night King erecting a 300 foot wall of meat and bone to protect his kingdom against the dangerous enemy to his south.
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Blazing Ownager posted:I will now fix every dumb thing about the mission in Beyond The Wall: Yeah surely if like 95% of the world's scientists agreed there was a coming threat that had to be addressed the people would take their word over that of a few self-interested rulers.
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General Dog posted:Yeah surely if like 95% of the world's scientists agreed there was a coming threat that had to be addressed the people would take their word over that of a few self-interested rulers. lmao
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General Dog posted:Yeah surely if like 95% of the world's scientists agreed there was a coming threat that had to be addressed the people would take their word over that of a few self-interested rulers. 
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Blazing Ownager posted:I will now fix every dumb thing about the mission in Beyond The Wall: General Dog posted:Yeah surely if like 95% of the world's scientists agreed there was a coming threat that had to be addressed the people would take their word over that of a few self-interested rulers. Lol, rekt.
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General Dog posted:Yeah surely if like 95% of the world's scientists agreed there was a coming threat that had to be addressed the people would take their word over that of a few self-interested rulers. God drat.
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This show continues to be bad and rear end and also badass. I'm enjoying it but not feeling good about doing so.General Dog posted:Yeah surely if like 95% of the world's scientists agreed there was a coming threat that had to be addressed the people would take their word over that of a few self-interested rulers. drat.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:D&D weren't hired to do anything, they pitched the adaptation to GRRM and HBO and they definitely knew the series is sprawling and unfinished when they did. There was absolutely an expectation that WoW would have been finished at this point and certainly a detailed outline for the last book at the very least.
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Colonial Air Force posted:I'm not as huge a critic of this show as other, but this Brienne trip to KL makes very little sense to me given that, moment earlier, Littlefinger told Sansa to ask Brienne for help with Arya. So, instead, she sends her away? I'm pretty sure she's doing it so Littlefinger can't use her oath in his schemes.
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I'm really excited for Arya Durden, Master of Puppets, you guys. Just like I was really excited for finding out how Arya faked her gut stabbing while casually strolling around a market two blocks away from the cabal of chameleon assassins she had just betrayed.
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Aug 22, 2017 20:57
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blazing ownager, it's time for a nickname change
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Confer posted:Well I mean it's a role. And if the series does really well I don't see why it would bother anyone to be remembered for playing the role well. Hey remember when Leo DiCaprio played Candie in Django Unchained? What's he done since??? 
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Aug 22, 2017 21:05
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He got raped by a bear I think
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fruit on the bottom posted:He got raped by a bear I think Probably just a regular bear, not even a zombie ice bear. Sad!
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http://www.avclub.com/article/game-thrones-director-admits-shows-timeline-strain-259742 Game Of Thrones director admits the show’s timeline is “straining plausibility” lmao right now
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I can at least respect that it's a deliberate trade off and not just being completely unaware.
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AV Club posted:He continued: “If the show was struggling, I’d be worried about those concerns, but the show seems to be doing pretty well so it’s OK to have people with those concerns.” 'Yeah, we know it's stupid but the show makes money, so who cares?'
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quote:He continued: “If the show was struggling, I’d be worried about those concerns, but the show seems to be doing pretty well so it’s OK to have people with those concerns.” The Walking Dead philosophy.
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Phi230 posted:http://www.avclub.com/article/game-thrones-director-admits-shows-timeline-strain-259742 Yeah, they know exactly what they're doing. They just don't give a gently caress.
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"you think we give a gently caress? you loving rubes will watch anything so long as it has tits and dragons" Yeah I can respect that. Having contempt for your audience is good and cool.
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Honestly I think you could have still come up with a plausible timeline for the majority of the story with a few changes. Just a couple of short scenes prior to major moments used to indicate time is passing. The main offender last week was the whole Gendry - raven - Dany - rescue. The simplest way to avoid this while still having those pieces is to simply have Dany take the proactive approach and decide to go north of the wall herself rather than to wait for them to come back. You show that the excursion has taken a few days / weeks of traveling. After the bear fight, send Gendry back for help, saying they encountered the dead, lost some people, but are going to push forward to grab a wight. While this is happening, you then show the Tyrion/Dany discussion (or show it earlier). Frozen lake scene happens while Gendry is running to the wall (maybe getting chased by something and he’s forced to keep running / not stop since he’s weaponless. Gendry falls out of breath, thinking he just failed everyone then Dany shows up out of nowhere and saves him, asks where are the rest. Then the rescue can still occur as shown as the tension comes from wether she’ll make it in time or not rather than just magically show up. There, you have almost the exact same screen scenes filmed (maybe in a different order) with two small additions and now poo poo makes sense. It’s still breakneck speed for the overall story but you’re not sacrificing what little logic/time you have left and having people teleport around.
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Headline news: Nerds place greater importance on nerdthings than most people when it comes to their nerdshow.
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some guy on the bus posted:The Walking Dead philosophy. Walking Dead has not been going anywhere since the beginning of season two and is hopelessly, maliciously nihilistic. About the only thing it has in common with s7 GoT is that it's a soap opera. GoT is even pulling in much better numbers. I guess I should have seen the writing on the wall when they decided to finish out one of the most complicated shows in television in 12 episodes over two years. Like they just didn't have it in them to write a full season of material. Name Change fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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A puristic adaptation of AFFC and ADWD would look more like the Walking Dead.dont even fink about it posted:on the wall when they decided to finish out one of the most complicated shows in television in 12 episodes over two years. Like they just didn't have it in them to write a full season of material. People lost their poo poo enough when the season was delayed a few months. By all rights, the development cycle should've been at least a couple years for each of the last few seasons, but there's several reasons they wouldn't want to do that. Lycus fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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dont even fink about it posted:Walking Dead has not been going anywhere since the beginning of season two and is hopelessly, maliciously nihilistic. About the only thing it has in common with s7 GoT is that it's a soap opera. GoT is even pulling in much better numbers. I think he was referring to the GoT director not caring about glaring faults as long as the show's still bringing in viewers and cash, which describes TWD perfectly.
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Dunno about the new theme they're rolling out for the final season. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZJOvjdGBY
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I think he was referring to the GoT director not caring about glaring faults as long as the show's still bringing in viewers and cash, which describes TWD perfectly. Not that the flight time of a raven is actually comparable to the stuff TWD does to stretch out the show.
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Lycus posted:Not that the flight time of a raven is actually comparable to the stuff TWD does to stretch out the show. "My heart aches. What is the point of all this? Why must I kill?" *flashback to walking through the woods*
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Well, yeah, TWD is garbage. But it is pretty annoying that the GoT people didn't realize how much they'd shifted the tone of their own show.
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Though it's really returning to S1 pacing rather than the slowed pace of S3 and S4.
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How's that? S1 had an entire episode about characters traveling places.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Honestly I think you could have still come up with a plausible timeline for the majority of the story with a few changes. Just a couple of short scenes prior to major moments used to indicate time is passing. The main offender last week was the whole Gendry - raven - Dany - rescue. The simplest way to avoid this while still having those pieces is to simply have Dany take the proactive approach and decide to go north of the wall herself rather than to wait for them to come back. You show that the excursion has taken a few days / weeks of traveling. After the bear fight, send Gendry back for help, saying they encountered the dead, lost some people, but are going to push forward to grab a wight. While this is happening, you then show the Tyrion/Dany discussion (or show it earlier). Frozen lake scene happens while Gendry is running to the wall (maybe getting chased by something and he’s forced to keep running / not stop since he’s weaponless. Gendry falls out of breath, thinking he just failed everyone then Dany shows up out of nowhere and saves him, asks where are the rest. Then the rescue can still occur as shown as the tension comes from wether she’ll make it in time or not rather than just magically show up. Is there some lore reason you can't just take a messenger raven with you everywhere like people did homing pigeons? Also, do the ravens just know where every keep and city of importance is and don't need to be shipped around the hard way like homing pigeons? Or they could've just ridden horses and been faster than the army of the dead in the first place, Uncle Benjen and his horse were living up there for years, staying ahead of the dead.
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AngryBooch posted:Is there some lore reason you can't just take a messenger raven with you everywhere like people did homing pigeons? Also, do the ravens just know where every keep and city of importance is and don't need to be shipped around the hard way like homing pigeons? No, and in fact one of the big moments from season 2 was Sam loving up and failing to send the Ravens they brought with the party. Show's gotten dumb. It's real pretty, but real dumb.
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The Human Crouton posted:"My heart aches. What is the point of all this? Why must I kill?" *flashback to walking through the woods* If Walking Dead did the Hound's stint with the Seven followers, it'd been 2 full seasons of him crying about how he's not into violence anymore until people start hate his previously loved character, until they just undo it because people hate it. dont even fink about it posted:Walking Dead has not been going anywhere since the beginning of season two and is hopelessly, maliciously nihilistic. There is nothing wrong with hopeless nihilism, and GoT used to be full of it. Walking Dead isn't going anywhere because they keep producing the same villain in worse and worse forms, and the latest version can LITERALLY stand in front of a machine gun wielded by characters wanting to kill him and they just.. won't shoot. People get him right in crosshairs all the time and just.. don't shoot. Most viewers even go "If he shot him, the season would be over so that's why he can't shoot them" and use that as a defense of why it's writing is fine. If you don't care about minor spoilers (as nothing happens) just LOOK at this poo poo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQdpEdyNICg He was going on a suicide mission, shot two people and gets his target in his sights and just.. just.. stares. This is like 1 of 100 times this happens. Walking Dead has worse writing than GoT even now, and also looks like poo poo. Fear the Walking Dead this season actually surpassed the main show and that's just mind-breaking. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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dont even fink about it posted:Walking Dead has not been going anywhere since the beginning of season two and is hopelessly, maliciously nihilistic. About the only thing it has in common with s7 GoT is that it's a soap opera. GoT is even pulling in much better numbers. This is a story where karma worked precisely in reverse for at least the first half of the story, purely for the sake of shocking the audience. Daenerys and Jon are pretty idealistic and successful now, but pretty much anyone who acted that way for most of this show's run would be actively shat on by the story. No comment on if that works or not (I think it's pretty neat sometimes), but it's hardly something that differentiates these two shows.
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Eiba posted:Not to defend Walking Dead, but did you really criticize it as hopelessly, maliciously nihilistic... in the Game of Thrones thread? The word he should have used is "repetitive." That's where WD is falling apart. And I don't mean because it's a zombie show, I mean because they keep creating upgraded versions of the same bad guy and they keep.. having.. the same.. conversation.. and taking.. the same.. actions.. that never.. end well.. only because.. the writers.. just abort it.. every.. loving.. time... That and for all the stupidity we've said about how GoT characters are turning into idiots, TWD characters are a thousand times dumber. They keep doing the most insanely stupid things that get people killed you can see coming from a hundred miles away. There was one episode where they all talk about how they're safe behind their walls then characters all leave the walls because frustration rather and gently caress more people over. It's hilariously terrible. Meanwhile the lovely loving Fear the Walking Dead has turned into the story of a complete psychopathic family murdering every settlement they run into while expanding their power base, and I'm not 100% sure AMC realizes the main characters are the villains. ED: Oh I forgot Walking Dead also introduced the Filthy Trash People, who all talk like crashed 60s Star Trek aliens for absolutely no reason. Prepare to go to the up up!
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Here's a great summation of how dumb it's gotten. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIqOf0qI2H4 It's a Walking Dead level of care. The only difference is Walking Dead wants to keep it going forever. Game of Thrones producers wants it over and done with right now. I actually wish GoT would drag it out endlessly. I enjoy making fun of it.
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fruit on the bottom posted:I can at least respect that it's a deliberate trade off and not just being completely unaware. No it's a director going "Eh who cares I'll do what looks cool" with no understanding of the realism that made people like GoT in the first place. All the review sites said it just became typical fantasy were right.
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some guy on the bus posted:Here's a great summation of how dumb it's gotten. At least we didn't spend the whole season with that long repetitive "We have to kill Cersei" post I made earlier in the thread. One more person on WD says "We have to kill Negan," gets a plan to do it, gets the means to do it, gets the situation to do it and then doesn't do it and I want to see the writers get baseball bats to the head.
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