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Saros posted:Third fleets battle will be concluded in the next updates and depending on outcome we will then either move onto political decisions to shape the new space race or the second battle of Titan will commence.  Please don't gently caress this up, commanders 
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Aug 25, 2017 21:02
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Aug 25, 2017 22:17
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E: Oh poo poo I posted this too early
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 Rember last time how the IC got in its licks on poor Third Fleet? Well, your turn. 30 April, 1401hrs  Thats a bunch of missiles oh boy. 30 April, 1409hrs  The 45th brigade finishes landing operations on Titan and wastes no time in getting stuck into the combat. The odds are swinging somewhat in your favor. 30 April, 1414hrs  Klaus88 paces manically as the first salvoes close on the IC force.  Forty missiles swing onto attack vectors and the guns of the enemy fleet spring into life. The Zuckerbergs fill space with an almost unbelievable amount of fire while the rest of the ships fire their main weapons and thirty missiles are shot down. Only six of the remainder score hits. A disapointing first salvo.  Enemy large weapons are still cycling as the second goes in and it scores ten hits flattening the first Zuckerberg's shields.  On the third salvo enemy fire slackens suddenly and a remarkable eighteen hits are scored.  The fourth slams the Zuckerburg and she begins to vent as internal damage accumulates.  With the fifth her guns fall silent and even more missiles make it through, the ship staggers as an engines go into emergency shutdown and the IC forces leave her behind.  Rude!  The second Zuckerberg is up next and three salvoes tear away at her. On the third her guns fall silent and the fourth (pictured above) guts her from bow to stern.  The next target are the Bill Gates. Each has four salvoes targeted on her and the IC PD fire is a fraction of what it was.  The first takes all four salvoes and massive damage and is left streaming atmosphere but intact, she even manages to pace the fleet.  The second Gates takes over fifty hits from four salvoes and is likewise left reeling but intact. Damage is expected to be severe on both ships.  Seemingly having had enough the IC ships turn NE and make for the enemy carriers. 30 April, 1432hrs  Third fleet turns to pursue and launches her reloaded fighters but after fifteen minutes spots more incoming missiles.  Luckily there are only three salvoes. Te Einstein's must be out of ammo or very low.  The first salvo is targeted on the undamaged missile Cruiser Myeongnyang. The IC must have mistakenly targeted the wrong ship instead of the damaged Fist of Mars!  The next two are armed at the plasma destroyer Ziggy Stalindust and she shudders as the massive salvoes break through the fleets point defences.   Her armor is peeled away in small sections and thanks to an unlucky burn-through she loses her main engine rendering her helpless.  The next salvo finds her and turns the crippled ship into mangled wreckage. Luckily Col. HiHo ChiRho makes it to a lifepod in time.   At the exact same moment on Titan an IC assault batallion launches a desperate counter-attack. Martian Marines move rapidly to cut it off and Free Titan Militia surround and destroy the unit down to the last man.   Reports from the surface indicate that the Titan Free State MIlitia are fighting with remarkable skill and fervor and seem to have a number of professional soldiers of unknown origin seeded throughout their ranks as well as more heavy weapons than initially thought... Strangely enough from all reports the mercenaries embedded with the Titan Free State are consistenly of stocky Terran build, a lifetime in full gravity leaves its mark.  Third fleet is pursuing the fleeing IC and has sortied a second wave of fighters. The Type 8's are way out ahead trying to find a path to sneak up on the IC carriers. Saros fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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Aug 26, 2017 01:12
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Saros posted:Reports from the surface indicate that the Titan Free State MIlitia are fighting with remarkable skill and fervor and seem to have a number of professional soldiers of unknown origin seeded throughout their ranks as well as more heavy weapons than initially thought... The strength of the proletariat has finally been awoken, and professional soldiers are exploited workers too. Insinuating that the TFS has had such success for any reason other than the inevitable victory of socialism is pure Terran propaganda 
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Aug 26, 2017 01:18
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Saros posted:Strangely enough from all reports the mercenaries envedded with the Titan Free State are consistenly of stocky Terran build, a lifetime in full gravity leaves its mark. Ah, now this changes things. Missed that bit at first, must've edited it in. So Pootie's Little Green Men are back in the game after a few decades of vacationing in Crimea. Well, we've got Marines embedded with TFS units/out on raids across the entire moon, I'm sure that with a little help from the SB, some unfortunate accidents can tragically befall our comrades. I doubt the real TFS members would even be upset, hell I bet half the militiamen would do the exact same thing if they knew some fascist bootlicker was trying to infiltrate their revolution. Thoughts? Yeah it's messy and some friendlies will probably end up as collateral damage, but purging Terran influence is gonna be critical going forwards. Especially when dealing with loving Vladimir Putin of all goddamned people. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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Aug 26, 2017 01:32
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Crazycryodude posted:Ah, now this changes things. Missed that bit at first, must've edited it in. So Pootie's Little Green Men are back in the game after a few decades of vacationing in Crimea. Well, we've got Marines embedded with TFS units/out on raids across the entire moon, I'm sure that with a little help from the SB, some unfortunate accidents can tragically befall our comrades. I doubt the real TFS members would even be upset, hell I bet half the militiamen would do the exact same thing if they knew some fascist bootlicker was trying to infiltrate their revolution. I don't think there will be a need, so long as we keep a military presence there. The TFS are more ideologically, practically, and geographically aligned with us. Instituting a unilateral purge will just anger our allies.
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Aug 26, 2017 02:05
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Just work with our true allies to do the purges. Only problem is putie putes is going to be pissed and there would be really no third party outrage that the UT sent troops incognito to incite on Titan.
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Aug 26, 2017 02:27
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unwantedplatypus posted:I don't think there will be a need, so long as we keep a military presence there. The TFS are more ideologically, practically, and geographically aligned with us. Instituting a unilateral purge will just anger our allies. The problem is we might not be able to keep a military presence there, or at least not tamp down on all the ethnic Terrans who suddenly need liberating in five years. It doesn't have to be unilateral, we can raise the issue with certain leaders that we're sure aren't compromised and bring them into the loop. Seriously though, trying to conventionally suppress this kind of thing never works, like the entirety of the 21st century so far (ours, not this universe's) is testament to that.
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Aug 26, 2017 02:32
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i think the issue is that we finishing whipping the IC on Titan and these guys suddenly go and hail some pro-Terran random as True Leader Of The TFS instead of the Obvious Martian Puppets or we. Basically, give that big ol' fleet heading our way an excuse to intervene. @SB Do we have reasonable means to prevent this sort of scenario? Or the Director-General pulling old tricks out of the bag in general? Protect pro-Martian leaders from suddenly being incommundo, etc.? Nick Esasky fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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Aug 26, 2017 02:35
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Yeah thanks for articulating it like that, Little Green Men forming a schism/giving the Terrans an excuse to jump us is my main worry. I think clean-up is doable, we've got Marines all over the moon, SB spooks in orbit raring to go, and the odd tactical strike can get accidentally nudged into the wrong grid square here and there.
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Aug 26, 2017 02:39
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Crazycryodude posted:Ah, now this changes things. Missed that bit at first, must've edited it in. So Pootie's Little Green Men are back in the game after a few decades of vacationing in Crimea. Well, we've got Marines embedded with TFS units/out on raids across the entire moon, I'm sure that with a little help from the SB, some unfortunate accidents can tragically befall our comrades. I doubt the real TFS members would even be upset, hell I bet half the militiamen would do the exact same thing if they knew some fascist bootlicker was trying to infiltrate their revolution. Purge, baby purge. Better get started before the fighting dies down. It's going better than expected so this is a perfect opportunity to bring on a little extra risk. If I remember right I was one of several people suggesting this before the first boots hit the ground so obviously I'm in favor. Heck, if I wasn't up to my elbows in the guts of your ships repairing battle damage, I'd be willing to go down and lend a trigger finger myself. LLSix fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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Aug 26, 2017 02:42
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good points, I support purging the terrans in that case
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Aug 26, 2017 03:04
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Round up the suspects, put them into a centrifuge, accelerate it to 0.8 g and anyone not screaming has a lot of explaining to do #strongbonesdontlie
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Aug 26, 2017 03:27
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I support a free Titan, as any good Martian. We are their allies in this struggle for freedom and we should help make sure they don't fall right into the clutches of another oppresive regime. Start the purges.
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Aug 26, 2017 03:33
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Destroy all Terrans.
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Aug 26, 2017 06:49
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No enemies of the revolution on this moon thank you very much!
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Aug 26, 2017 14:48
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Wow, who could have predicted this.
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Aug 26, 2017 14:49
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No to purges, at least right now. We still have a planet to secure.
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Aug 26, 2017 15:24
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I think the worry is that once the planet is secure Pute forces would be in a stronger position and less purgeable by a massive UT fleet getting close or having arrived. They need to go before their air support gets here.
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Aug 26, 2017 15:49
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Aug 26, 2017 16:11
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Titan is a war zone. Nobody would be surprised if a Martian vessel happened to 'accidentally' fire on a bunch of Terran mercenaries. Purge Putin's stooges and pass it off as friendly fire.
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Aug 26, 2017 16:31
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Scintilla posted:Titan is a war zone. Nobody would be surprised if a Martian vessel happened to 'accidentally' fire on a bunch of Terran mercenaries. Purge Putin's stooges and pass it off as Fixed.
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Aug 26, 2017 16:35
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But but those poor Earth commandos just got lost near the space border with several crates of surface to orbit gear 
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 30 April, 1542hrs  As third fleet and her fighters pursue the withdrawing IC ships the IC fast force reappears to the south-east. Making 3600kps it is on an interception course with third fleet. 30 April, 1553hrs  Deciding that the balance of power has swung too far against them Klaus88 orders the remaining plasma destroyer, Amatsukaze, to finish off the crippled Zuckerberg while the missile sships flush their remaining salvos at a damaged Bill Gates cruiser. 30 April, 1633hrs The range is long and it takes over half an hour for the missiles to close. During this period the IC cruiser manages to bring most of its shields back online.  However the two salvoes burn down her shields and wreck more internal components. Unfortunately her engines remain intact and she continues to flee.   On Titan the Free State and Martian forces continue to drive the IC back. Morale is plumeting among the IC and defections increase rapidly. 30 April, 1635hrs  To the north a pair of IC fleet support vessels are spotted incoming, no dount with reloads for the IC missile cruisers. This is the last straw and Klaus88 orders 3rd Fleet to withdraw after picking up its survivors. TheType 8's and the bomber strike are still ongoing however. 30 April, 1655hrs  The Type 8's have used their superior speed to sneak around the retreating enemy ships and are on an attack vector for the enemy carriers!  Your bombers are also reaching attack range! Looks like its going to be a bad time for the IC.  Strike away! The Amatsukaze has also nearly reached the cripped Zuckerberg.  I cannot believe this has worked but the Type 8's appear to have sneaked within 7m km of the IC carriers without being spotted.   The Amatsukaze orders the crew of the Zuckerberg to abandon ship or die.  They are all too happy to comply and the destroyer scoops up prisoners for interrogation.    The bomber missiles catch up with the IC ships and bam. Two dead cruisers. 30 April, 1744hrs  The enemy fleet scout turns suddenly and makes for the Type 8's. Likely they have detected the thermal signature from the fighters and are trying to get an active lock so any escorting fighters can fire missiles. The Type 8's break hard and try to work their way around the enemy scout mindful that time is limited as the enemy fighters must be rearming on board the carriers at this point.  The enemy scout struggles to stay between the caiiers and the Martian gunships.  Allllmost there!  drat. Ten missiles swing in and unlucky hits tear the engines of one of the Type 8's apart.  Look at those secondary explosions go.  Another ten missiles come in and Iron Duke is damaged but still combat capable.  Iron Duke is slowed but not enough!  Unfortunately at the absolute last second another ten missiles wipe out the Iron Duke. However the Vaccuum Coffin pulls into firing position and her guns start to chatter.  No more missiles are forthcoming and the Vaccuum Coffin is unoppoed. After several minutes of firing the Carriers shields collapse and she begins to stream atmosphere as penetrating hits go through!  The carrier soon slows as the guns dig further and further into her internals. Can it be, is a fleet carrier about to be destroyed by a single gunship?  Maybe not. The second carrier launches a number of freshly rearmed fighters and their missiles erase the Vaccuum Coffin. Ride Eternal Shiny and Chrome little gunship, you did well. 30 April, 1850hrs  3rd Fleet is almost finished picking up survivors and will be forced to bug out after that. The IC carrier force is protectively clustering around their damaged carrier which is withdrawing towards Jupiter. The fight seems to have gone out of them. The IS fast force is slowing and seems to be considering turning back towards Titan (again). Third fleet is slower but will follow them in as fast as possible. Arriving at Titan sometime after the IC fast force and hopefully at roughly the same time as the Terrans. Saros fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Aug 26, 2017 |
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Aug 26, 2017 19:06
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I wouldn't be TOO worried. This is like when regular russian troops support insurgents in ukraine. Only american troops are also supporting those same insurgents. And they're actually canadian insurgents so they have more in common with the americans anyway! We need to turn the insurgents leaders to our cause, we well and truly have the people. But we need to make sure we have the leaders. Some want freedom and they'll be predisposed to us and some will be bought and will be predisposed to Earth.
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Aug 26, 2017 19:06
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I jumped the gun on this earlier, I meant to post it after this update. Good job, little buddies, you might be worthless at your intended role but holy poo poo did you make up for it o7
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Aug 26, 2017 19:12
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The type 8s are one of our designs, correct? What was its intended job and how did it fail at it?
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Aug 26, 2017 20:30
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It was meant to be a speedy PD fighter to shoot down missiles/help protect the fleet. We tried that earlier in this engagement and they got like.... 3 missiles. Total. Out of hundreds.
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Aug 26, 2017 20:34
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The Gauss Cannon armed Type 8 was expected to be good at providing some extra Point Defense to the fleet. Turns out that it can't hit missiles, but is pretty ok at taking out fighters and apparently pecking away at capitals that don't have defensive weaponry. Its a quirk of the system and the low accuracy of gauss cannons on fighters. It appears that railguns might be better for the PD task as well as the other two tasks (anti-fighter, anti-ship). We'll see how it goes with the Type 8 Mk2, if they're fielded.
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Aug 26, 2017 20:40
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If it links up with the force from Uranus that gives them two missile cruisers, three laser cruisers, two battlecruisers and a number of smaller ships. Enough to be a serious threat at least.
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Aug 26, 2017 20:45
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Gauss Cannons have a special mechanic whereby you can make them smaller at the cost of accuracy. The R3-8 models on the Type-8 are the smallest possible variant, weighing in at a feathery 25 tons, but they also have an atrocious base accuracy of 8%. That really doesn't cut it against a horde of fast-moving missiles.
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Aug 26, 2017 20:56
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Well that went about as well as we could possibly expect I feel. A shame the type 8s didn't mange to secure a kill but a crippled ship is effectively a dead ship in the time frame we are forced into by the revelation of jump capabilities anyway.
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Scintilla posted:Gauss Cannons have a special mechanic whereby you can make them smaller at the cost of accuracy. The R3-8 models on the Type-8 are the smallest possible variant, weighing in at a feathery 25 tons, but they also have an atrocious base accuracy of 8%. That really doesn't cut it against a horde of fast-moving missiles. It's exactly this. The reduced size gauss cannon has the proportionally same average hit rate as the larger gauss cannons. By itself the smaller size will allow the same number of average hits per tonnage, considering just the gun. What also happened is that I hosed up with the to-hit formula and that really screwed us over; I thought it was additive and it was multiplicative. Any malus to hit was multiplied by the inherent reduced size gauss inaccuracy malus, so those faster than expected missiles (or ECM  ) tanked the accuracy dramatically more than otherwise. There's maybe a niche use for reduced size gauss cannons in ultra high tracking speed turrets but I don't think we'll be using them again
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TheWetFish posted:It's exactly this. The reduced size gauss cannon has the proportionally same average hit rate as the larger gauss cannons. By itself the smaller size will allow the same number of average hits per tonnage, considering just the gun. What also happened is that I hosed up with the to-hit formula and that really screwed us over; I thought it was additive and it was multiplicative. Any malus to hit was multiplied by the inherent reduced size gauss inaccuracy malus, so those faster than expected missiles (or ECM It's an easy change. We just cut the duct tape holding the old guns off, strap on some rails and we are good to go.
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Aug 27, 2017 01:13
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Just tell the pilots to target space. They'll only have an 8% chance to hit that, and thus a 92% chance to miss and hit the missile. 
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Aug 27, 2017 01:15
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So the Type 8 should have called the Mark 14 amirite? 
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Added Space posted:So the Type 8 should have called the Mark 14 amirite? Hey now, it hasn't circled around and shot itself down, yet.
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