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D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice
We just got word of a $30K refunder, and it was confirmed by two other people.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/903350299758342144

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Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012


Also by your common sense, in like 2012

doingitwrong
Jul 27, 2013
Star Citizens try to figure out how inventory will work. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wk3es/still_unclear_about_inventory_system_anyone_got_a/

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They've mentioned before (in more places than I can remember) how all items will be actual, physicalized items that you must put down and pick up and attach to your body the same way you would in the real world. Wanna take that sniper rifle with you on your trip? Better find a place to store it on your ship. Your Sabre doesn't have an FPS weapons rack that'll fit your sniper rifle? Guess you won't be taking that sniper rifle with you then. It was a big disappointment to Buccaneer fans when the weapons rack it cut during it's design. That said, things could change. I do really like the idea of not having to run around your Connie trying to remember which locker you put your multi-tool in.

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It is a pretty huge change if what you see is what you get has gone, and magic inventory (without even a backpack on) is permanent, rather than just a placeholder.
Imagine a girl in a pretty dress on a planet ... easy mark right? Now she clicks a button and is in a Titan suit with twin laser autocannons ... it simply wouldn't be the same game as advertised. This better be a placeholder.

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You have to be near the items your "moving" and the item your "moving" them too. In the demo you refer to they were next to the locker with the clothes. You could not do that if you were not near the locker. Or if the locker did not have the clothes you were selecting (an impossibility as they would not be selectable) In other demos you can see cargo for ships (where cargo will need to be near the ship). Leave it to your imagination on all the economic buy/sell things also but in the end - A must be near B to form AB

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They also equipped some weapons when disembarking the Rover at the crash site, but it could be they were in range of the Rover's lockers.

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Supposedly - and I say that guardedly - they have the full system running underneath all this in the demo. Which makes me think there was a real locker (during spawn in) that had the clothes they selected and put on. And that the buggy also had the weapons they equipped inside of it. Seems a placeholder would be more trouble than it's worth. But - I don't know the answer - placeholder or not - how I was describing it is how it should work in the end game. And supposedly 3.0. A must be near B to create AB.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

D_Smart posted:

We just got word of a $30K refunder, and it was confirmed by two other people.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/903350299758342144

My god.

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

D_Smart posted:

And it's almost as if all these questions that are coming up, following the disastrous GC2017, are all the same questions that loving Derek Smart guy has been asking, and writing about since July 2015

It's so frustrating when you actually know something, have lived it, done it, seen it from the inside, and speak from experience, only to have know-nothing blowhards, who think they know better than you, just poo poo all over the evidence and facts. The nice thing about facts is, they're true whether you believe them or not. But this recent ability to create social networks that are completely insulated from facts and, worse, the desire to know, is a huge failure of the internet as a whole, and Star Citizen is a perfect microcosm of the vapid, repressive fabric that our civilization happily wraps over its eyes like a blindfold.

Everyday people have absolutely NO idea how hard making even a simple game is (Neither does Chris Roberts for that matter). Unless you've done it... unless you've designed a character controller with accurate collisions, or a basic car that drives around an oval track (forget a ramp), or tried to make a 3d model person with a walking animation and connecting it to a character controller, and seen how a simple idea explodes in complexity upon implementation, then your only option is to judge a game by working code that you can actually play, or listen to people who do know. But if the Shitizens did that, their dreamy mental pillow fort would poof right out of existence, and they would see a messy, ugly world that doesn't match their dreams because they never get to practice seeing the world for the beautiful, perfect mess is actually is.

Star Citizens only core value is a shared delusion which gives a feeble sense of "belonging" to people with very poor self esteem and/or brain damage.

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016

Firewatch is a bloody good game, playing through it now and if you kinda like a little mystery along with a really engrossing world some really top notch voice acting and script and lots of walking, then I wholeheartedly recommend it.

It's one of those games that pulls you into the story and the world, and its bloody hard to put down. :)

doingitwrong
Jul 27, 2013
How much do you think the biggest whale has invested in this game?

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

quote:

Imagine a girl in a pretty dress on a planet ... easy mark right?

loving citizens man...

Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012

doingitwrong posted:

How much do you think the biggest whale has invested in this game?

I'd imagine it would cap out somewhere at 50k with people like the certified woofionaire. If there were bigger whales, we'd know about it, because these kind of people can't shut up about their investments.

ZenMaster
Jan 24, 2006

I Saved PC Gaming

Slow_Moe posted:

Jet fuel can't melt LTI tokens. :tinfoil:

I made a meme, now i feel dirty...

:golfclap:

Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012

big nipples big life posted:

loving citizens man...

Were the gently caress is your otter? I want your otter back

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

clifford says he is at over 40k in ships, plus being a massive weirdo he sends them gift baskets and poo poo all the time. I bet he's over 50k.

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

D_Smart posted:

We just got word of a $30K refunder, and it was confirmed by two other people.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/903350299758342144

Wulf Knight? God forbid there are 2 people with that much spunked into this dumpster fire

Wuxi
Apr 3, 2012

big nipples big life posted:

clifford says he is at over 40k in ships, plus being a massive weirdo he sends them gift baskets and poo poo all the time. I bet he's over 50k.

Maybe, but gift baskets wont pay off loans, so I wouldn't count those little insanities

Berious
Nov 13, 2005

Wuxi posted:

Maybe, but gift baskets wont pay off loans, so I wouldn't count those little insanities

I wonder how much bog roll he sent after that 1 ply tweet

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Why did they name the largest ship after a Nazi tank? Konigstiger = Kingtiger which is the German term for Bengal Tiger.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016


mfw when my attempt to gun down pretty girls in dresses is foiled by Croberts poor quality UI

Golli
Jan 5, 2013



quote:

... easy mark right? Now she clicks a button and is in a Titan suit with twin laser autocannons ... it simply wouldn't be the same game as advertised. This better be a placeholder.


Can't believe they've already nerfed piracy as an occupation.

thatguy
Feb 5, 2003

Berious posted:

Wulf Knight? God forbid there are 2 people with that much spunked into this dumpster fire
I've got some bad news for you.

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

doingitwrong posted:

Star Citizens try to figure out how inventory will work. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6wk3es/still_unclear_about_inventory_system_anyone_got_a/

quote:

It is a pretty huge change if what you see is what you get has gone, and magic inventory (without even a backpack on) is permanent, rather than just a placeholder.
Imagine a girl in a pretty dress on a planet ... easy mark right? Now she clicks a button and is in a Titan suit with twin laser autocannons ... it simply wouldn't be the same game as advertised. This better be a placeholder.

Oh what the gently caress.

Wonder if he learned that from one of WTFOSAURUS's PUA classes.

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao
Betty'sBigCannons

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

KM Scorchio
Feb 13, 2008

"If you don't find rape hilarious, you're a sensitive crybaby."
Derek what are you going to do all day after starcitizen dies? I hope you have a back up crusade ready to embark upon.

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

I love citizen calmly theorycrafting things that should have been mapped out and implemented in the first year of production. No, its great that nobody knows how carrying items will work.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

Thoatse posted:

Betty'sBigCannons

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Berious posted:

I wonder how much bog roll he sent after that 1 ply tweet

Sadly there was some reddit thread discussing how much TP to ship to them.

Nanako the Narc
Sep 6, 2011

The Titanic posted:

It would be ironic if CIG could hold on long enough for you to get into a position where you could finally dig into it as an agent and help everybody figure out what the heck happened. :)

Dreams happen in mysterious ways!

I would love to be able to be able to crack open CIG UK and find out what was really happening behind the scenes. Sadly, even if that did happen, I wouldn't be able to post it here :sigh:. Oh well, at least this way I can speculate on how everything that's happening with everyone else...

Loxbourne posted:

Hi Latin Pheonix. I'm a qualified UK corporate lawyer of the kind supposedly too mature to post on dead gay comedy forums and I endorse pretty much everything you said there.

The irony is that the Coutts loan removes CIG US's chance of rescuing CIG UK if it goes insolvent. US creditors know this; a real ELE sign would be funds and protected staff suddenly getting transferred to the US en masse.

:woop: Solicitor approved! And here I thought that, according to reddit, we're all basement dwellers. Or were we all Derek's alts?


What is it about SC that seems to attract the most rapey of the mentally ill?!? :psyboom:

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3

D_Smart posted:

We just got word of a $30K refunder, and it was confirmed by two other people.

https://twitter.com/dsmart/status/903350299758342144

Holy smokes.

thatguy
Feb 5, 2003

KM Scorchio posted:

Derek what are you going to do all day after starcitizen dies? I hope you have a back up crusade ready to embark upon.
Taking down FAU.

Toops
Nov 5, 2015

-find mood stabilizers
-also,

Colostomy Bag posted:

Sadly there was some reddit thread discussing how much TP to ship to them.

Ben alone averages 2 rolls/hr.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

KM Scorchio posted:

Derek what are you going to do all day after starcitizen dies? I hope you have a back up crusade ready to embark upon.

Finally finish LoD

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Toops posted:

Ben alone averages 2 rolls/hr.

Yeah, that's the cool thing. They realize "WTF, only one-ply?" and well hopefully they did an investigation on where the 2nd ply went to.

Karma. It really is a bitch.

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



ZekeNY
Jun 13, 2013

Probably AFK

Toops posted:

Ben alone averages 2 rolls/hr.

Information that no one needs

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

Toops posted:

It's so frustrating when you actually know something, have lived it, done it, seen it from the inside, and speak from experience, only to have know-nothing blowhards, who think they know better than you, just poo poo all over the evidence and facts.

This is me every time a watermarked stock image discussion happens, I have had corporate accounts for years with the suppliers and have had work stolen, but noooooo, IT IS A PHOTOBASH!!!!!1111!!!!

SomethingJones
Mar 6, 2016

<3
I never thought any of the whales would refund, now I have to buy a CIG webcam so everyone can see my surprised face.

Loxbourne
Apr 6, 2011

Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

People upthread have already talked about the "phoenix" option - CIG goes insolvent, oh no, but luckily Chris's cousin Ris Choberts and his new company WIG can quickly buy up the assets for pennies on the dollar/pound/euro, save Star Citizen, and host a fresh round of fundraising because the project needs help to get going again! PS: all contractual obligations you may erroneously remember from the last incarnation were actually with CIG which has no relation at all to WIG, bad luck if you wanted a refund or thought you owned a ship.

This is one of the classic reasons to have the money spread across many so many subsidiary companies too. Company A gets sued? Oh dear Company A holds no cash or assets of any value, they've all been shuffled off very quickly to companies B, C, D, F, R, and Q. It's a standard corporate exit strategy and works because creditors don't think it's cost-effective to employ forensic accountants to sort out which company holds which assets, when they can just write off their losses for a tax refund and move on. Worse, smaller creditors simply haven't got the manpower to wade through the sea of paperwork this generates. I've seen this strategy in action many times and I firmly believe Ortwin knows of it.

But, by taking the loan from Coutts they've crossed off that option. If CIG default on their loan, Coutts will seize the Star Citizen IP alongside assets held by whatever corporation actually signed their loan paperwork, and Coutts are old enough and nasty enough to have very very expensive lawyers on standby to wade through a maze of subsidiaries and demand that suspicious transactions be unwound. Even if they don't bother unwinding in that situation, they'll hold the IP itself and preclude further work on the game. They might even potentially hold a floating charge (i.e have secured the loan on £X of all assets held by CIG anywhere, the exact assets to be decided if the charge "crystalises" when the loan is called in).

I have seen phoenixed companies carefully ensure they'll be the only bidder at the receivers' auction, thereby ensuring they have access to their parent's assets at bankruptcy-auction prices. Whether or not CIG could go that route is entirely idle speculation at this point. To be honest if CIG goes under I can't see the Roberts brothers caring enough; they'll take their profits and disappear.

EDIT: I see you asked specifically about the US thing...well, getting money from a debtor on the other side of the Atlantic is an administrative nightmare, especially when that debtor is trying to claim it's a wholly unconnected company. US and UK branches of multinational corporations often ruthlessly cut off the smaller branch and let it twist in the wind if they hit financial trouble. "Payroll claim? What payroll claim, this is Multinational Bastards US not Multinational Bastards UK, I have no idea what you're talking about!"

So if Foundry 42 does go dark, even if the cause of the shutdown is the stoppage of payments from CIG-US, then the first warning sign will be all the staff who CIG wants to keep paying suddenly moving to the US, probably along with whatever remaining funds are in F42's accounts at that point. This could potentially apply vice-versa, but I can't see Chris shutting down his Hollywood Dream Studio under any circumstances.

Loxbourne fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Aug 31, 2017

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Jobbo_Fett posted:

Finally finish LoD

Lol

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Kromlech
Jun 28, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Hey everyone, just wanted to let the thread know that parpman and bunnyman are going to be combatants in round 2 of SA's hunger games.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3832482&pagenumber=8#post475940823

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