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jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Accretionist posted:

Thirded. "Abolish," sacrifices seriousness for spectacle.

I'd be down with hammering anyone and everyone we can to increase prevalence of de-escalation training, increasing academy length, etc. "Abolish the police," fucks with the messaging here.

do you work for CLEAT?

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Lol retraining the police is a lib solution


Radical solutions only you loving fauxcialists

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

https://twitter.com/nultrasol/status/903363882411999232

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

Vhak lord of hate posted:

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN FACE SLAM MY FOREHEAD INTO A BILLY CLUB. IT'S THE MONTHLY AUSTIN DSA MEETING AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, DANNY FETONTE. I CALL EVERY MOTION AND I CALL EVERY MOTION HARD. MAKING WOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME INTERNET KNOW IT ALLS OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP STACK. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY'VE SURVIVED A MALFEASANCE VOTE. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUT LOUD EVERY MONTH TO PEOPLE TRAPPED IN THE MEETING HALL WITH ME AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE THAT SOCIALISTS CAN STILL BE INTERNET BULLIES. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE BYLAWS AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY LOCAL CHAPTER LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING ANNOUNCEMENTS EVERY MONth.

fuck. marry. t-rex
Jan 23, 2014

Lipstick Apathy

Phi230 posted:

Lol retraining the police is a lib solution


Radical solutions only you loving fauxcialists

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Look at me I've been a "socialist" for 2 months


Oh I don't actually believe in socialism just left liberal policies. The status quo is very good

Oh word there's actually tons of writings on socialist theory? Didn't read lol

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

jarofpiss posted:

do you work for CLEAT?

I refer you my One-Point Plan for US police reform below:

Accretionist posted:

The only good cop is a socialist-infiltrator cop.



Phi230 posted:

Lol retraining the police is a lib solution


Radical solutions only you loving fauxcialists

Any recommended reading on this front? I've actually not looked at this issue from more than 'incremental reform' angles

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
ok fine. gulag the police

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

:siren:
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
:siren:

Phi230 posted:

Lol retraining the police is a lib solution


Radical solutions only you loving fauxcialists

"breakfast" is a liberal contrivance, eat a radical bowl of poo poo instead

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Phi230 posted:

Oh word there's actually tons of writings on socialist theory? Didn't read lol

this unironically

surfacelevelspeck
Oct 1, 2008

communism's sleepiest soldier

Phi230 posted:

Oh word there's actually tons of writings on socialist theory? Didn't read lol

literally me

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

:siren:
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
:siren:

Phi230 posted:

Look at me I've been a "socialist" for 2 months

if this is the case odds are better that you're relatively Normal and have a solid head for understanding how to attract people to a cause

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Very glad socialism is just the newest fad that some of you jumped on the bandwagon for, and that you'll all forget about it in like a year

Vhak lord of hate
Jun 6, 2008

I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS
Hell yeah let me just dive into a giant pool of dry as poo poo socialist theory like scrooge mcduck into a pile of gold. If you haven't read EVERY Bookchin writing you're a poser and should just flippin join the DNC.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Phi230 posted:

Very glad socialism is just the newest fad that some of you jumped on the bandwagon for, and that you'll all forget about it in like a year

:yeah:

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Actually I retract my statements I think it's rad that you identify as socialists without actually knowing what you're advocating for

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Phi230 posted:

Very glad socialism is just the newest fad that some of you jumped on the bandwagon for, and that you'll all forget about it in like a year

bandwagon or mass movement?

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Vhak lord of hate posted:

Hell yeah let me just dive into a giant pool of dry as poo poo socialist theory like scrooge mcduck into a pile of gold. If you haven't read EVERY Bookchin writing you're a poser and should just flippin join the DNC.

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

:siren:
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
:siren:
the DSA's primary accomplishment is attracting a mass of relatively normal people to some sort of leftism

given the trajectory of things it's pretty easy to see how they can just devolve into yet another group of Occupy weirdos more considered with purity and spectacle than actually accomplishing anything meaningful

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



jarofpiss posted:

bandwagon or mass movement?

If we can get 30000 people to put the rose emoji in their twitter handle, we'll have full communism... whatever that is

Lessail
Apr 1, 2011

:cry::cry:
tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again
:cry::cry:
p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

LinYutang posted:

the DSA's primary accomplishment is attracting a mass of relatively normal people to some sort of leftism

given the trajectory of things it's pretty easy to see how they can just devolve into yet another group of Occupy weirdos more considered with purity and spectacle than actually accomplishing anything meaningful

but enough about your posts

LinYutang
Oct 12, 2016

NEOLIBERAL SHITPOSTER

:siren:
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
:siren:

Vhak lord of hate posted:

Hell yeah let me just dive into a giant pool of dry as poo poo socialist theory like scrooge mcduck into a pile of gold. If you haven't read EVERY Bookchin writing you're a poser and should just flippin join the DNC.

Ah, after 10,000 years I'm free! It's time to bore everyone with my amassed knowledge of mudfarmer history during the New Economic Policy

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Al! posted:

ok fine. gulag the police

can we just rename "prison" to "gulag" and send everyone who defies danny to one

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Phi230 posted:

it's rad that you identify as socialists without actually knowing what you're advocating for

:agreed:

Dilettantes are still sympathizes, supporters and potential converts.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Phi230 posted:

Actually I retract my statements I think it's rad that you identify as socialists without actually knowing what you're advocating for

ppl who "identify" as socialists are bad lol

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

Al! posted:

ppl who "identify" as socialists are bad lol

i thought u said they were good because they throw the cops off the tail of the real activists

fuck. marry. t-rex
Jan 23, 2014

Lipstick Apathy

LinYutang posted:

the DSA's primary accomplishment is attracting a mass of relatively normal people to some sort of leftism

given the trajectory of things it's pretty easy to see how they can just devolve into yet another group of Occupy weirdos more considered with purity and spectacle than actually accomplishing anything meaningful

'occupy weirdos' have done more for me directly than the US Government- and I do mean that literally, they helped me eat for a good amount of time.

Vhak lord of hate
Jun 6, 2008

I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS

Accretionist posted:

I refer you my One-Point Plan for US police reform below:



Any recommended reading on this front? I've actually not looked at this issue from more than 'incremental reform' angles

It helped me to start with prison abolition, it's a lot easier to see viable alternatives to the carceral state in a socialist society, with property and drug offenses gone other options become obvious. Plus, there's a lot more writing on it than police abolition: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/prison-abolition-reform-mass-incarceration for a stereotypical Jacobin suggestion.

Once you get rid of prisons what role do cops play?

freckle
Apr 6, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

deadgoon posted:

i thought u said they were good because they throw the cops off the tail of the real activists

this cop is hot on your trail Al

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

deadgoon posted:

i thought u said they were good because they throw the cops off the tail of the real activists

no im talking about the real ones in this case

Vhak lord of hate
Jun 6, 2008

I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS

Phi230 posted:

Actually I retract my statements I think it's rad that you identify as socialists without actually knowing what you're advocating for

actually the real rad thing is gatekeeping your political movement because nobody gives a poo poo about your old dead nerds

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

100 degrees Calcium posted:

If we can get 30000 people to put the rose emoji in their twitter handle, we'll have full communism... whatever that is

public option for healthcare and $15/hr minimum wage

or maybe full worker control of the memes of production

I dunno I can't read Russian

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Vhak lord of hate posted:

actually the real rad thing is gatekeeping your political movement because nobody gives a poo poo about your old dead nerds

Aren't you that pro apartheid freak

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

love too purity test the left

because you need to have read the collected works of Gramsci to organize a brake light fixing action

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

anarchists don't believe in celebrating birthdays or other holidays or keeping track of the day/time and it's just insanity if you ask me

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



police - log off
danny - log off
boomers - log off

fuck. marry. t-rex
Jan 23, 2014

Lipstick Apathy
anarchist love tracking time, because it allows us to celebrate 420

Vhak lord of hate
Jun 6, 2008

I AM DRINK THE BLOOD OF JESUS

Phi230 posted:

Aren't you that pro apartheid freak

only if you're really loving stupid can you read those posts and think i was being serious

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

jarofpiss posted:

anarchists don't believe in celebrating birthdays or other holidays or keeping track of the day/time and it's just insanity if you ask me

once you get to a high enough anarchist power level you can even defy the law of gravity

its true, ive seen it

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fuck. marry. t-rex
Jan 23, 2014

Lipstick Apathy

Vhak lord of hate posted:

only if you're really loving stupid can you read those posts and think i was being serious

nothing you write makes any clear sense its just like photos of a drunk dad in his living room

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