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Evil Fluffy posted:Kaladin going back home is going to be terrible. If his parents are there and doing ok then he'll break down about failing Tien. If something's happened to them he'll mope and blame himself. If the light-eyed lord there did something to them he'll probably break his oath (no, I don't think his saying the oath late in book 2 is going to matter, because it's Kaladin), again, by killing the guy or something and spend the rest of the book trying to make up for it. Oathbringer 1-6 spoilers: Wow you called this pretty perfectly. Now watch him be arrested for 75% of the book because he can't get any stormlight to use his powers.
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I don't know, Kaladin's parents seemed surprisingly okay with Brightlord Roshone. His mother seemed to imply that he has changed, and his parents could have left that town at any point but chose not to. I'm going to guess that Roshone, while not a very good person, was put up to a lot of the evil things that he did by Amaram or some other higher lord.
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Even if he has no Stormlight, Kaladin can still just summon Syl as a Shardblade and instantly outrank Roshone as a light-eyed Shardholder.
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L-O-N posted:It could be that they are not attacking but gathering first. Or Roshone lost so much money he had to sell off his parshmen. Seems like he's pretty hosed overall right now, so maybe he just couldn't afford them. I'll admit it's pretty farfetched, but seems like it might be the easiest answer.
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Subvisual Haze posted:I don't know, Kaladin's parents seemed surprisingly okay with Brightlord Roshone. His mother seemed to imply that he has changed, and his parents could have left that town at any point but chose not to. I'm going to guess that Roshone, while not a very good person, was put up to a lot of the evil things that he did by Amaram or some other higher lord. Regardless of whether the bad stuff Roshone did at Kolinar was at the behest of others, the bad stuff he did at Hearthstone was 100% on him. I doubt any important Lighteyes cared about what happened at a little town like that. insider posted:Oathbringer 1-6 spoilers: Wow you called this pretty perfectly. Now watch him be arrested for 75% of the book because he can't get any stormlight to use his powers. Kaladin would wipe the floor with Roshone's guards, even without summoning Syl. I doubt he would need to, though. He probably has a writ from Dalinar and Elhokar outlining his position and authority. It's pretty funny how when Kaladin first saw Roshone, he thought Roshone was a curt Warrior. And now: now posted:Roshone wore a lighteyes’ coat that was several seasons out of fashion—Adolin would have shaken his head at that.
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Alright, time to ignore this thread until I've read the book. I'm trying to be better about not spoiling book/shows/movies, and these black bars are too tempting.
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Potato Salad posted:Edit: I'm not sure that Kaladin knows what an "oath" is. I'm guessing that punching a dude but not actually threatening his life is probably fine...
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I'm really looking forward to more of Kaladin exploiting his newfound lighteye privilege to get away with punching fuckers in the mouth.
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I'm kinda thinking that if Roshone is truly changed hes gonna laugh this off and say, okay, I deserved that, and everything will be fine without Kaladin pulling Syl out.
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Since Kaladin's previous moral trial was to protect someone he hates, I'm betting next will be protecting an enemy (so long as it is right). I'm guessing Kaladin will need to defend some innocent parshmen against a pogrom. Even better if the mob is full of hometown people he just reconciled himself with.
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Subvisual Haze posted:Since Kaladin's previous moral trial was to protect someone he hates, I'm betting next will be protecting an enemy (so long as it is right). I'm guessing Kaladin will need to defend some innocent parshmen against a pogrom. Even better if the mob is full of hometown people he just reconciled himself with. I kinda assume somewhere along the line Kaladin is going to lead the towns folk to Kholinar and meet up with Jasnah there so that we have groups of main characters and have them interacting together.
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Pash posted:I kinda assume somewhere along the line Kaladin is going to lead the towns folk to Kholinar Pitchforks are sort of a type of spear, right?
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Something I was wondering: Since Radiants can draw stormlight from infused sources is there any indication as to what keeps them from drawing it out of Shardplate, considering those things seem to be solidified Stormlight* powered by Stormlight? I can sorta understand Szeth not being able to do it but an actual Radiant should be able to at least pull the stormlight from the stones in the armor if they can't draw in the armor itself. * It's mentioned how when the armor's broken or otherwise 'regrown' it involve constantly feeding Stormlight to a piece of the Shardplate to regenerate the entire suit, IIRC. That sounds an awful lot like "magic mcguffin in Shardplate converts stormlight in to solid mass" and then running stormlight through it results in the wearer's increased potency. Unless the plate itself has an anti-drain property, at the very least an opponent radiant should be able to draw the gem's stormlight from plate worn by a non-Radiant, if they can't drain the plate itself. Pash posted:I'm kinda thinking that if Roshone is truly changed hes gonna laugh this off and say, okay, I deserved that, and everything will be fine without Kaladin pulling Syl out. This would be so weird that I'm not sure I could handle it. Something horrible has to happen. Maybe when Kaladin sees his childhood crush as a grown woman, who possibly has had kids with Roshone he'll go in to one of his dumb moods. Alternately, when he finds out what happened to the town's parshmen, he'll hear that she died and he was just barely too late to show up and save her. I'm not sure I could handle Kaladin suddenly being level-headed. Even if the recent events just shocked some sanity in to him it'd still seem like too much too fast.
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Shardplate: It seems like Elhokar has been drawing stormlight from his shardplate to fuel his paranoid binges where he weakens or damages various things surrounding him
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Shardplate: That just seems like the result of normal shardplate usage since shardplate gives the wearer superhuman strength.
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Evil Fluffy posted:That just seems like the result of normal shardplate usage since shardplate gives the wearer superhuman strength. Things that are not his armor, that he's near, take mysterious catastrophic damage that he believes are the result of assassination attempts. These "assassination attempts" receive scrutiny and investigation but no attribution can be made. Assassinations tend to be attempted in person in this world (so far) so it's slightly less likely that there could be some other faction out there (so far) who is actively making real attempts on his life but who we've not yet had a POV from. And yes, I'm discounting Moash in this. I think he's actually exhibiting "Division" surgebinding powers, which are the domain of Skybreakers or Dustbringers. Not sure why Cryptics would be showing themselves to him, though.
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A lot of the scenes mention Kaladin puffing out storm light or feeling it leak from his skin. While dramatic looking this sounds really inefficient. I'm guessing the original function of shardplate is stormlight insulation and storage along with its protective effects. Like a Fremen stilsuit but for stormlight. Sort of like shardblades I'm guessing current shardplate is missing some of its original radiant functionality.
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I always kinda assumed that shard plate wearing Radiants using stormlight, such as those from Dalinar's visions, (1) drew on the shard plate gems for stormlight and (2) expended far less stormlight due to the armors encasing / recycling properties. Didn't Adolin describe shard plate as having a very close fit? It seemed as though wearers would hardly have a bag of infused gems under it, and yet the Radiants Dalinar encounters are constantly and continuously 'charged up.'
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Evil Fluffy posted:Something I was wondering: Since Radiants can draw stormlight from infused sources is there any indication as to what keeps them from drawing it out of Shardplate, considering those things seem to be solidified Stormlight* powered by Stormlight? I can sorta understand Szeth not being able to do it but an actual Radiant should be able to at least pull the stormlight from the stones in the armor if they can't draw in the armor itself. The WWE match with Kaladin and Adolin tag-teaming in WoR had Kaladin use a piece of broken shardplate as brass knuckles. It fed off his body's stormlight to stay intact.
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Tunicate posted:The WWE match with Kaladin and Adolin tag-teaming in WoR had Kaladin use a piece of broken shardplate as brass knuckles. It fed off his body's stormlight to stay intact. But it's also been pointed out that using surgebinding against someone in shardplate is either extremely difficult or impossible. Some sort of shielding to keep stormlight in and prevent others from taking it seems very reasonable.
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seaborgium posted:But it's also been pointed out that using surgebinding against someone in shardplate is either extremely difficult or impossible. Some sort of shielding to keep stormlight in and prevent others from taking it seems very reasonable. Well the gems are on the inside, so it's not like you can get at them from outside.
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The gemstones themselves are probably just a workaround to approximate the earlier function of radiant armor. Szeth even mentions not using shardplate because the armor gems gently caress with his lashings, which wouldn't make any sense based on how the stuff functioned previously in flashbacks.
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Subvisual Haze posted:The gemstones themselves are probably just a workaround to approximate the earlier function of radiant armor. I think that is because Szeth is powered from his sword, being not a radiant. The armor may interfere with it. That or weight. He uses an extremely acrobatic fighting style.
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When Kaladin summons his shardblade for the first time, he sucks all the stormlight from the nearby gems in lanterns. quote:The entire hallway went black as the Stormlight in every lamp down the length of the hall winked out. For a moment, they stood in darkness. He did this in the presence of two full shardbearers, yet their armor continued to function (which needs stormlight infused gems to function). Therefore, Kaladin did not drain the nearby stormlight from the shardplate. We know almost nothing about the powers of the radiants and voidbinders, so it is not beyond reason that shardplate can be drained. There is also that bat thing that stole the stormlight from Lift, so the ability to remove stormlight against the will of another is already in the series.
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The Gardenator posted:stuff In line when my previous post, it stands to reason that shardplate's insulating effect protects against all types of stormlight leakage, including having it sucked out by another surgebinder. And given this, and that scene in WoK where Kaladin draws stormlight from the gems worn by the Parshendi, it makes me wonder if it'll turn out to be the case that shardplate was originally intended less to enhance physical protection and fighting capacity, and more to shield one's stormlight from enemy surgebinders in battle.
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Oh boy, a Cosmere theory discussion. Not too long ago while waiting for the Oathbringer teaser chapters, I binge-read through the compiled WoBs from reddit and there were loads of info there. Here we go. I tried to link to WoBs where I could but I cannot figure out how to link to individual entries in Theoryland instead of the whole interview (sorry! Just search for shardplate on the page)Evil Fluffy posted:is there any indication as to what keeps them from drawing it out of Shardplate Yes, it has to do with how Investiture and Realmatic Theory works in the Cosmere. Basically, Shardplate itself is invested and that makes it more difficult. Sanderson has an explainer of the theory here. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Shardplate: WoB has confirmed there is something going on there. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:I think he's actually exhibiting "Division" surgebinding powers, which are the domain of Skybreakers or Dustbringers. Not sure why Cryptics would be showing themselves to him, though. I'm not convinced. A Shardbearer can do some pretty serious damage all on their own, I don't think they need Division to help that along. The presence of the Cryptics makes me inclined to think he's another potential Lightweaver. Habibi posted:In line when my previous post, it stands to reason that shardplate's insulating effect protects against all types of stormlight leakage, including having it sucked out by another surgebinder. seaborgium posted:But it's also been pointed out that using surgebinding against someone in shardplate is either extremely difficult or impossible. Some sort of shielding to keep stormlight in and prevent others from taking it seems very reasonable. Kalas posted:I think that is because Szeth is powered from his sword, being not a radiant. The armor may interfere with it. It's less a property of Shardplate itself and more of how Investiture works in the Cosmere. The Gardenator posted:We know almost nothing about the powers of the radiants and voidbinders, so it is not beyond reason that shardplate can be drained. There is also that bat thing that stole the stormlight from Lift, so the ability to remove stormlight against the will of another is already in the series. The Gardenator posted:There is also that bat thing that stole the stormlight from Lift, so the ability to remove stormlight against the will of another is already in the series. Habibi posted:Didn't Adolin describe shard plate as having a very close fit? Brandon has confirmed that Shardplate adapts to fit the wearer. Subvisual Haze posted:Sort of like shardblades I'm guessing current shardplate is missing some of its original radiant functionality. Also confirmed by Brandon. There are hints in Dalinar's visions as to how it used to function. Interestingly, the gemstones on Shardplate apparently got added roughly around the same time as gemstones to Shardblades.
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Tunicate posted:The WWE match with Kaladin and Adolin tag-teaming in WoR had Kaladin use a piece of broken shardplate as brass knuckles. It fed off his body's stormlight to stay intact. The WWE match was probably my favorite thing in WoR. It was so over the top in a beautiful way. Everything from the random rear end interference, to the random WWE level rules waiving as "IT'S FINE IT'S FINE LET THEM FIGHT IT'S IN THE RULEBOOK" to the dramatic finger pointing promo at the end. I only hope we get one more of those.
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Hopeford posted:The WWE match was probably my favorite thing in WoR. It was so over the top in a beautiful way. Everything from the random rear end interference, to the random WWE level rules waiving as "IT'S FINE IT'S FINE LET THEM FIGHT IT'S IN THE RULEBOOK" to the dramatic finger pointing promo at the end. I only hope we get one more of those. MY GOD THAT'S VASHER'S MUSIC.
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It was HOID, austin! It was HOID ALL ALONG!
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Three chapters every Tuesday isn't enough to sate me
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M_Gargantua posted:Three chapters every Tuesday isn't enough to sate me Especially if one of the three chapters have been released previously in Arcanum Unbounded or elsewhere on the web (chapter 3 and chapter 5, respectively) 
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M_Gargantua posted:Three chapters every Tuesday isn't enough to sate me I'm climbing the goddamn walls. In the past two weeks I've rocketed through all the mistborn books, now I'm looking into sourcing a copy of elantris since that and warbreaker are the only cosmere books I haven't read. I'm saving The Stormlight Archives for very last so that I can hopefully go from WOR to Oathbringer immediately. That plan isn't going to work LEAK THE EBOOK SANDERSON
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SeaGoatSupreme posted:I'm climbing the goddamn walls. In the past two weeks I've rocketed through all the mistborn books, now I'm looking into sourcing a copy of elantris since that and warbreaker are the only cosmere books I haven't read. I'd definitely do Warbreaker asap as it seems to have the most crossover with Stormlight so far.
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Sanderson has heard your plea. He will now be putting up annotations for chapters 1-12 for tWoK as part of the oathbringer leadup. The annotations for the double eye symbol are already up.
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What's the best source for chapter-by-chapter summaries of TWoK and WoR? I'd like to refresh my memory before Oathbringer, but I don't have time to re-read the series.
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Aggro posted:What's the best source for chapter-by-chapter summaries of TWoK and WoR? I'd like to refresh my memory before Oathbringer, but I don't have time to re-read the series. I dunno about best but there are some up on Tor
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Aggro posted:What's the best source for chapter-by-chapter summaries of TWoK and WoR? I'd like to refresh my memory before Oathbringer, but I don't have time to re-read the series. Coppermind has pretty comprehensive chapter summaries but they almost seem more for resolving forum arguments than quick refreshers: TWoK WoR
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I'm making my way through pretty much everything cosmere before Oathbringer comes out. So far I've read both Stormlight books, Mistborn Era1, Era2 and secret history, as well as Warbreaker. Where do I go next? Ive got arcanum unbounded to read Edgedancer, but do I read Elantris first? Is there anything else I've missed?
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