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Third World Reggin posted:first it was a few months Every statement they've given about the map except for one mis-spoken sentence has said it'll be a matter of weeks not months. It might slip, who knows, but they've been saying 'weeks' since they first mentioned the combined map and are still saying 'weeks'.
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Sep 6, 2017 10:03
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Wafflecopper posted:Why would you feel like a dope preordering? Pretty much everyone agrees the first was a great game right from launch and there's no reason to expect the second will be any different I love the game myself. I've loved total war games since Medieval. However, I'm not completely convinced four races and a new map justifies $60. I've despised the DLC pricing. I feel like i'm being suckered and billed as if i were playing the tabletop game. But at the end of the day I knew I was going to buy it, and I knew I wasn't going to hold out for a sale. So whatever. I'll take the pain now and enjoy this when it comes out, even if it seems like an expansion to me. This attitude made people mad ITT last time i brought it up, i just want to emphasize i really fuckin' like this game, but the way things are priced has been like, the singular sore point for me.
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Sep 6, 2017 10:14
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I'm not sure the DLC pricing argument will ever get anywhere. I think they're a good price, many don't. You do you, goon.
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Sep 6, 2017 10:23
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I preordered on 2game for like 22 quid less than rrp and got norsca for free. If something doesn't seem like good value for money to you, don't buy it. Simple as that. We all have different priorities.
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Sep 6, 2017 10:28
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You could just wait for it to go on sale. It's not like there's a game shortage.
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Third World Reggin posted:so like probably 2 months Man I hope not. It's a major bullet point for me. Bigger maps to paint are always fun. Here's hoping there's ridiculous victory conditions (or cheevos, or something other than sandbox mode) to aim for too. Conditions like "Kill all elves" or "Kill all elves and raze their lands".
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Sep 6, 2017 10:37
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Chaos has its issues, but I'm looking forward to awakening the nordic tribes and laying complete waste to the full combined campaign map.
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I probably shouldn't double post but I've been trying to get the hang of Wood Elves for months. I've got the hang of nearly every other faction, but I get my rear end pushed in every single time the 'story' advances to the 5 army group of beastmen. I know i suck, but i cannot get the resources together in time, ever, to sustain even two armies by the time this happens, and my allies are utterly useless at this point as well. Does anyone have some easy tips for this poo poo?
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basic hitler posted:I probably shouldn't double post but I've been trying to get the hang of Wood Elves for months. I've got the hang of nearly every other faction, but I get my rear end pushed in every single time the 'story' advances to the 5 army group of beastmen. I know i suck, but i cannot get the resources together in time, ever, to sustain even two armies by the time this happens, and my allies are utterly useless at this point as well. Does anyone have some easy tips for this poo poo? I believe there's no such thing as 'in time', as they only appear when you upgrade the tree to a certain level.
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Sep 6, 2017 11:08
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that is probably why I enjoy the wood elf campaign and nosrca campaign so much you just do it when you are ready
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Sep 6, 2017 11:09
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Fellblade posted:I believe there's no such thing as 'in time', as they only appear when you upgrade the tree to a certain level. oh, that's it then. I'm upgrading the tree as soon as i have the amber. So just take my time with the tree upgrades then?
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basic hitler posted:oh, that's it then. I'm upgrading the tree as soon as i have the amber. So just take my time with the tree upgrades then? Pretty much, yeah. You're under almost no outside time pressure as the initial Chaos waves rarely ever get down into your corner of the woods. Build a nice big alliance if you can, confederate the other wood elves, make sure you've got three or four decent stacks around, and only then build the final tree upgrade (note that the stacks spawn the moment you start the final upgrade, not when it actually finishes). Having a few lords skilled into improved ambushes and lightning strike also comes in really handy there. The Beastmen will beeline it straight for the tree, so any ambushes you set up on the way are basically guaranteed to be triggered if they're not spotted.
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Much like spending your money, no one is making you upgrade the tree straight away. poo poo bro, much like a steam sale your amber supply shoots right up when chaos invades.
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There was zero chance i was going to wait for a sale. the question was always "will i enjoy this enough to justify the cost". It was never gonna get bought if i felt like it wasn't worth it. I never bought atilla, or a ton of other total war products because they looked like overpriced rushjobs. What sold me was looking at the map and some of the faction details, and the promised combined campaign map. Anyway it's good to know i can just chill with the wood elves by leaving the tree alone. Incedentally if anyone wants a stupid rear end challenge, upgrade that tree the second you get the 6 or 7 amber necessary. You will be up to your rear end in goatmen and be lucky to have confederated once with maybe one or two armies.
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Sep 6, 2017 11:37
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Memnaelar posted:Hey, Gejnor. Does using your skill points mod apply it to AI Lords as well or do we get an advantage on whomping them? It should but it can be hard to tell!
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easiest way is to confederate and check some other lord not 100% on this, but I think all of the ones I have used let the lords use it
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Sep 6, 2017 12:29
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As Welves I just straight up murder all the other Welve factions. Ain't nobody got time for confederation. Then I work on the +diplo research trees to get in good with everyone else, sometimes murdering the rear end in a top hat directly west of your start.
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That one elf faction with one province immediately to your west that exists solely to get pissed off if you march off straight away to murder the beastmen? gently caress that guy 100%.
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Mod chat I'm a fan of Crynsos's mod instant quest items since some times those quests get repetitive this far out in the games life http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=810229378 just found out he has an instant monster hunting mod as well so that you only have to do the fight, none of the recruit / raiding / moving part http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1110660391
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Third World Reggin posted:Mod chat These are great QoL mods. Also, you're a dirty, cheating whore.
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my welf campaign is on turn 169 and I only just hit oak 3 and confederated one of my welf neighbours I am bad at war hamber  at least i'm not a dirty mod using cheater
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Sep 6, 2017 14:01
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I would spend good money to get Skaven Scribe DLC. I really want to hear what he would say about Archon the Everbland. And every other character.
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ChickenWing posted:my welf campaign is on turn 169 and I only just hit oak 3 and confederated one of my welf neighbours This sounds like my first welf campaign, and even though it took a bazillion turns I still snowballed after finally getting everyone to confederate and then did the full tree upgrade. As soon as I got the victory I went and started an Argwylon campaign and was fully confederated by turn 70  Spoiler: i'm a scrub that only plays on normal
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Third World Reggin posted:that is probably why I enjoy the wood elf campaign and nosrca campaign so much Well, every race can have the same approach. A full stack garrisoned at Altdorf will never lose the battle, and every race is just as good at raiding, sacking, razing, and replenishing as other races. Their campaign victories just have different conditions.
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I've been a fan of total war since Shogun, but this is the first iteration where I feel really lost in battles. 20 hours in on a empire campaign. It is really loving hard to see what is going on. I've had some success just randomly clicking on units telling them to engage other units. I pause liberally. Siege battles are the worst, followed by anything with forests in them. Any tips?
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Other people can give better tactical advice, but hold down space and turn off foliage always in the menu on the side of the screen
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I think one thing I'm finding is that pacing myself through a campaign is hard. If I play more than two or so hours in a night, I burn through a good 50 or 60 turns but I also burn myself out a bit. I decided to experiment a bit more with playing Norsca last night as I've only started about three campaigns with them and this time tried just plowing through the North as quickly as possible, not bothering to improve my armies but instead just taking a cheap two stacks on a run of consolidating all the tribes including Wintertooth and then beginning my raiding of the rest of the world. My economy was grim (basically bankruptcy and rebellions right up until I consolidated Wintertooth's much better economy and began sacking the northern Empire) and I'm still not sure of the proper balance to strike between sacking the North vs. trying to leave more of it standing (I'd say I kept all of it except for westernmost region which I turned into razed offerings). It seemed like the Serpent was the way to go in order to reduce upkeep but I wonder if there's not something bugged there as it seemed like I gained upkeep on my units by gaining that bonus, possibly b/c it overwrote my two lords blue bonuses of reducing upkeep? By the time I got to turn 60 I'd built a good engine and was returning home to replace my weak stacks of infantry with upgraded units and skin wolves in preparation for future rounds but I couldn't help but feel that I'd played the beginning poorly and that I also had given myself maybe too much of an advantage using the skill points mod -- being able to jump up quickly to reducing upkeep while also getting some early combat bonuses felt a bit... too strong for me in comparison to whatever the AI was doing with those points. In any case, what I'm saying is that I could use more Norsca pointers. I would've improved my home economy more in the first 30 or so turns but there really was no money with which to do so. Anyone found a better way to balance getting them rolling early? Because a bad battle would've sunk me.
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jokes posted:Well, every race can have the same approach. A full stack garrisoned at Altdorf will never lose the battle, and every race is just as good at raiding, sacking, razing, and replenishing as other races. Their campaign victories just have different conditions. lol no, one is an event will trigger after so many turns the other is the event needs something to happen to trigger
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basic hitler posted:
Four races and a new map was also what the first warhammer was and it was sixty bucks too. Plus, all the currently existing races will also be on the new map so it's a hell lot more than four races.
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There's also the fact that the new races will almost certainly incorporate the learning the team did with their DLC and be more enjoyable to play, out the gate, from a purely mechanical standpoint than their counterparts in the first game. I mean, the Skaven, never mind being cool-as-gently caress Skaven, look like a joy to play for my personal play preferences.
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I am excited for both the new campaign model they have and also the addition of the gigantic grand campaign in the future.
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Memnaelar posted:I think one thing I'm finding is that pacing myself through a campaign is hard. If I play more than two or so hours in a night, I burn through a good 50 or 60 turns but I also burn myself out a bit. I decided to experiment a bit more with playing Norsca last night as I've only started about three campaigns with them and this time tried just plowing through the North as quickly as possible, not bothering to improve my armies but instead just taking a cheap two stacks on a run of consolidating all the tribes including Wintertooth and then beginning my raiding of the rest of the world. I had the same problems you did in my Norsca campaign, basically rushing to control the north ASAP caused me a bunch of headaches, and basically every settlement had the +public order building for a long while. I don't know how I could've done anything differently, e.g. raiding the south (but trying to keep my home capital well defended) could have its own headaches. I also went Eagle god because i wanted to see the Eagle legendary lord, and while he looks cool and is good I don't think it was really worth it. When Chaos invaded I chose to challenge them and I was lucky enough to have my 3 doom stacks right at the eastern chokepoint with Wulfrik, Throgg, and Eagle guy, and fighting Chaos was the most epic large battle I've had in this game. The real fun came afterwards trying to run down/chase the enemy armies 
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Is today the first time we've gotten a close up of Lord Skrolk? He looks good.
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Hah, I figured something was weird with how SFO's Dwarf Engineers apply their buff to ranged units, so I did a bunch of testing. Turns out the reload bonus is applied for the duration of the entire battle as long as the recipient unit is within the ability's range of 40m the moment you hit the Start Battle button, and it will never disappear even if the Engineer squad is moved out of range. Conversely, the bonus will not be applied to ranged units that end up inside the ability's range in the middle of battle. Thus, the most optimal way to deploy is to form up all your ranged units within 40m of the Engineer squad during deployment, start the fight, and then move them to their actual positions. On my part, this frees up one very important slot, which now goes to a good old Gyrobomber for all my artillery-busting/swarm-exploding needs. William Bear posted:Is today the first time we've gotten a close up of Lord Skrolk? He looks good. I can totally him bursting out of the earth and savaging me in some post-apocalyptic gas station. toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Sep 6, 2017 |
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Mordja posted:Plus even the Vortex map looks loving gigantic. this is actually something I worry about part of me wants just movement to be less so it still feels larger but that map is huge and lol at the idea of conquering it all or any part of it then when they combine it, like I am never gonna see not north america and not south america
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A cool mechanic for the grand campaign would be if you could create a "Warband" army at home for all the races, and then sail them over to the new continents but as soon as you take a new city with them you lose the warband status.
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William Bear posted:Is today the first time we've gotten a close up of Lord Skrolk? He looks good. He better come with the Blind trait by default...
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hhhmmm posted:I've been a fan of total war since Shogun, but this is the first iteration where I feel really lost in battles. 20 hours in on a empire campaign. StashAugustine posted:Other people can give better tactical advice, but hold down space and turn off foliage always in the menu on the side of the screen Arrange your troops as you like Select a bunch CTRL G to create a locked group This group will now remember their formation for move commands (if selected together), ALSO you can give attack orders and they will move forward in parallel until meeting an enemy, rather than all rushing for the one enemy you clicked. Makes battles much less of a headache. Even so, I pause a fair bit. If things still move too fast, try using a mod to tweak morale so that units are harder to rout. Vanilla Warhammer has units rout much faster than previous Total War games. Some people like it, others don't. Speaking of mods, if the AI feels stupid or broken, try the Advanced AI Mod.
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