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She's basically Golden age Superman which rocks
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bull3964 posted:I'm hoping that transporter tech exists, it's just that they're horrified to use it on sentient life due to the whole killing your twin aspect of it. Star trek teleporters physically move you through subspace, except in episodes they don't because the plot needs you to be datafiles in a computer.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 18:09 |
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That's right, Jay. People always talk about soul less copies, but that isn't hope transporters work. We've even seen people's continuous streams of consciousness during the beam. However that is how transporting works in The Culture novels.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 18:11 |
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Star Trek transporters work however that week's writer thinks it works because no one bothered being consistent.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 18:29 |
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My favorite line is still "There is no pizza party, I repeat, there is no pizza party!", mainly just for the emphasis MacFarlane gives it. This is a solid "will watch on my other monitor at work" whenever it comes on Hulu i.e. I'm entertained but don't feel the need to proselytize it to others.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 18:35 |
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The Bloop posted:Ok ok, your overall point about humanity and sci fi might and up being true, but there is no way you know that yet, and Farpoint was a pilot but it was also more than twice the runtime AND had three seasons and, what, four or five movies plus cartoon, comics, and twenty years of cultural consciouseness behind it. It was more about differentiation from TOS and introducing characters (especially the EntD) than it was about world building. I judged what they gave me. This is a pilot episode and I compared it to the pilot episode of the show it's ripping off. The pilot is where the initial concepts and ideas for a show are put forth - and there was not a single original sci-fi idea in this. Could it improve? Sure. Anything can improve. By season 3 it could be The Wire of sci-fi. But as a pilot episode it was loving awful, and it did not bode well for the future.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 18:50 |
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I think Bortus should have known better than to explicitly threaten that much larger ship. All the damage they took and repair work they'll need is basically his fault. They were willing to talk.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 18:51 |
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Cojawfee posted:Star Trek transporters work however that week's writer thinks it works because no one bothered being consistent. That always irritated me. They're everything from a harmless people-mover to something like a combination fax machine-paper shredder. Edit: I hope there's a cosmic horror episode about the 'combination fax-shredder' concept. Outer Limits did that once and it ruled Accretionist fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Sep 12, 2017 |
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Accretionist posted:That always irritated me. They're everything from a harmless people-mover to something like a combination fax machine-paper shredder. You should give Stephen King's short story 'The Jaunt' a read if you haven't.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 19:03 |
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I talked to some people that didn't know this wasn't really star trek, I wonder if that is a thing.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 19:07 |
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I enjoyed this but it's so clear that it's MacFarlane's Firefly. There's no way we're getting more than a season.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 19:10 |
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Yeah, simply not having transporters led to the program's best action sequence, which was really fun. Love "threading the needle" type starship maneuvers. Actually my dumb nerd brain is already going "The evil ship clearly only had guns on the front so they really should have just stayed behind them instead of continually circling." Like a goofy version of that scene in Pitch Black where Riddick stays in the monster's blind spot.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 19:13 |
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Kibayasu posted:Actually my dumb nerd brain is already going "The evil ship clearly only had guns on the front so they really should have just stayed behind them instead of continually circling." Like a goofy version of that scene in Pitch Black where Riddick stays in the monster's blind spot. Oh I meant the catching the shuttle part. I just have to assume the evil ship had aft guns
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 19:15 |
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Is it me or does the Orville look both expensive and cheap at the same time? I feel like its really flatly lit, which worked in SD but now in HD it just makes everything look flat and cheap. Which clashes because the show has pretty good production values for network sci-fi. It just makes the whole thing look like Stargate. I also really don't like that Palecki is ex-wife and first officer, because it suggests their entire relationship is going to be antagonstic and cliched ex wife stuff. I mean the other option is to make her an object of McFarlanes desires which is also gross and cliche.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 19:28 |
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The_Doctor posted:You should give Stephen King's short story 'The Jaunt' a read if you haven't. Or James Kelly's "Think Like a Dinosaur".
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 19:34 |
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Epicurius posted:Or James Kelly's "Think Like a Dinosaur". I think the Outer Limits episode he's talking about is actually based on this story.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 20:18 |
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twistedmentat posted:Is it me or does the Orville look both expensive and cheap at the same time? I feel like its really flatly lit, which worked in SD but now in HD it just makes everything look flat and cheap. Which clashes because the show has pretty good production values for network sci-fi. It just makes the whole thing look like Stargate. The close up shot of the captain chair's arm when Mercer is getting the message about his new XO showed some pretty crummy upholstery.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 20:29 |
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All of these microsperg faults just make this a better Star Trek. I seriously hope MacFarlane still has enough pull with FOX to get another season ordered.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 20:35 |
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Kazinsal posted:All of these microsperg faults just make this a better Star Trek. I just want to see a full season. Thirteen eps have been ordered.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 20:38 |
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twistedmentat posted:I feel like its really flatly lit Yeah, I could not get over how boringly lit it is and how much damage that does to the already not-great physical sets. Compare that to Discovery, which, while it clearly has its own problems in general, appears to be shot by someone who gives even a tiny bit of a poo poo how it looks.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 20:40 |
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Terrible flat lighting?? In my TNG parody!?!
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 20:50 |
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I enjoyed the episode apart from the "long awkward moment" gags and the Conn Comedy Duo, but after sleeping I can see how it was lacking any real bite or point to its scifi-ness and basically being a low-key ensemble sitcom with Star Trek set dressing. I'll play along for a few episodes, is where I'm at. If it grows into a better low-key ensemble sitcom, I think I'll at least be satisfied. If it grows into an action serial about Heroic Captain MacFarlane and his hot wife and pals versus the evil Snake-Klingon Empire, I'll be grumpy.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 20:50 |
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Baronjutter posted:Terrible flat lighting?? In my TNG parody!?! It's not a parody.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 20:56 |
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twistedmentat posted:I also really don't like that Palecki is ex-wife and first officer, because it suggests their entire relationship is going to be antagonstic and cliched ex wife stuff. I mean the other option is to make her an object of McFarlanes desires which is also gross and cliche. I do think their scene at the end of the episode suggested they'd managed to get past that. Because the alternative is either degenerating into eternally squabbling exes or "will they or won't they," neither of which I want to see.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 21:00 |
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I do know from write ups the next episode will at least still partially deal with their issues, but will have to see how extensively.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 21:02 |
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twistedmentat posted:Is it me or does the Orville look both expensive and cheap at the same time? I feel like its really flatly lit, which worked in SD but now in HD it just makes everything look flat and cheap. Which clashes because the show has pretty good production values for network sci-fi. It just makes the whole thing look like Stargate. I'm guessing they have to do that lighting so whatever CG shop they went with can more easily match up the CG background.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 21:38 |
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Comrade Fakename posted:I compared it to the pilot episode of the show it's ripping off. You are maybe just being goonily hyperbolic, but this phrasing kind of makes me think you didn't really give it a fair shake.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 22:03 |
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Sir Kodiak posted:It's not a parody. That should just be the official Orville tagline now
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 22:20 |
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Saw it, liked it. It scratches the TNG itch and does things its own way. Also, I don't remember seeing a show so divisive yet, and the RT score is a good example. I guess I'm happy that TV sci-fi can be both plentiful and varied enough to make people angry.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 22:26 |
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I think a light hearted scifi comedy can work, I loved Red Dwarf and how they managed to combine often serious plots and legit high concept scifi poo poo with pure goofy comedy. Galaxy quest is perfect too. But so far this feels like, well it feels like a late season episode of red dwarf after the co-writers parted ways and poo poo just got real cringy and bad real fast. Maybe it will get better but I'm not so desperately thirsty for scifi that I'll lap up the first puddle of piss I see.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 22:41 |
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The Orville's debut had pretty good ratings. It was the 2nd-strongest debut not counting anything with a super bowl lead-in http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/the-orville-premiere-ratings-sunday-night-football-1202556058/
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 22:47 |
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Rigel posted:The Orville's debut had pretty good ratings. It was the 2nd-strongest debut not counting anything with a super bowl lead-in Holy poo poo. Is this show just accidentally what America wants right now?
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 23:13 |
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Rigel posted:The Orville's debut had pretty good ratings. It was the 2nd-strongest debut not counting anything with a super bowl lead-in Well, Leon really seems to have enjoyed it.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 23:29 |
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Zurui posted:
Yes. Except for the ones that watch football or NCIS.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 23:32 |
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I'm happy, but at the same time cautious. The drop-off for the second episode is what we have to watch out for. High premier is great, but it won't matter for much if people don't want to watch a 2nd episode.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 23:34 |
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The Bloop posted:You are maybe just being goonily hyperbolic, but this phrasing kind of makes me think you didn't really give it a fair shake. Yeah, this show has nothing to do with TNG. In fact I doubt McFarlane has even seen it.
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# ? Sep 13, 2017 00:08 |
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I have no idea why goons are falling over themselves for what is essentially a really dull episode of TNG mixed in with some tepid humor. Oh look the robot character doesn't know what feeling are! Hilarious! Yawn
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# ? Sep 13, 2017 00:32 |
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Cojawfee posted:I'm guessing they have to do that lighting so whatever CG shop they went with can more easily match up the CG background. There was some really dodgy green screen work throughout too. It's like Trek that's less serious, not everyone is so perfect. I do with the Robot was way more racist though. Like totalyl Hk-47/Bender level of Kill all Meatbags.
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# ? Sep 13, 2017 00:35 |
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Sir Kodiak posted:It's not a parody. Yeah, this is what I find weird about the pilot. Is it even legal for a show to rip off a series in every way and then not actually parody that series?? It's more like a fan show than a parody... But fan shows are only tolerated legally sometimes because they have tiny distribution.
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# ? Sep 13, 2017 01:16 |
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Polo-Rican posted:Yeah, this is what I find weird about the pilot. Is it even legal for a show to rip off a series in every way and then not actually parody that series?? CBS/Paramount don't own "TV show set on a space ship."
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