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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't know what the most 90s of all the big 90s summer blockbusters are, but I think Twister is up there. I was five when Twister came out and I saw it on video at a friend's house, and for so many years afterwards I was convinced that the tornado they're chasing was supposed to be the same one that killed Helen Hunt's characters father in the prologue back to finish the job. Obviously a tornado cant come back and "hunt your children down!" but you're completely right that the way the movie kind of pans out that its almost implies that.
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Frankston posted:I watched the 1998 Godzilla film the other day because it was on TV, and kid me loved the poo poo out of the film. 17 year old me was working my first job, it was a theater, and they set aside 4 out of 11 screens to strictly show that on opening weekend. It flopped so hard it was down to one screen by Wednesday. Blockbusters in general have gone the way of the dodo since the 90's. I remember that there was almost always some kind of film opening with a lot of hype nearly every weekend from May until October, and there would be lines around the buildings. The last true blockbuster I remember existing was that last Matrix movie. I suspect that was the first major blow, as there were two major letdowns from that franchise in the same year, and most people were willing to overlook the second one if there was a good payoff. Followed closely by streaming, and the profitability of infinite (mostly Marvel) sequels has killed that.
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Sep 13, 2017 13:34
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I reckon Harry Potter had a role in finishing it off as well - every single movie in that series was either the number-one or number-two most successful worldwide release at the end of the year it came out, so you had this scramble to try and turn everything into the next big YA adaptation franchise or mega-serial kind of thing.
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Sep 13, 2017 13:49
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Well, and now the Marvel CU, and an assured Star War every year, pretty much kills the idea that you can compete on terms of "Mega blockbusters".
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Sep 13, 2017 13:53
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Neito posted:Well, and now the Marvel CU, and an assured Star War every year, pretty much kills the idea that you can compete on terms of "Mega blockbusters". Yeah, and this summer being the worst since I think 1992, is probably due to that. Movies as a whole have been paint by numbers since the Marvel CU, I suspect that one of the hidden factors in the alchemy has been the switch to digital. I remember in the 90's you'd get all kinds of trickles of information about the production of movies for over a year before release creating all kinds of hype. Then, you'd start getting the trailers, some as early as January for the summer releases. By the time it opened, you had to catch it in theaters, because otherwise you'd have to wait at least 9 months to rent it at Blockbuster. All that time everything was done in analog and required a lot of time, and time costs money. Now that most movies are done entirely in digital, sent to theaters in digital, and pushed out to home release in digital, you can accomplish all that in under a year's time. Going to the movies has become more of an on a whim type thing for me, because if I miss one I wanted to see in June, I can get the Blu-Ray by September. I suspect part of the success of the infinite sequel model is you don't have the year+ hype machine to convince someone who's got a boring Saturday afternoon to see the newest Iron Man.
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Sep 13, 2017 14:12
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I used to get really, really, really enthusiastic for new blockbusters and buy into all the hype and be obsessed with the merchandise (tie-in magazines, "junior" novelisations with photos in the middle etc.) then never actually go to see them in the cinema.
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Sep 13, 2017 14:31
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We should probably be pretty thankful that the Marvel CU films are all generally good to great in quality (For what they are) as them dominating and destroying the blockbuster could have been so much worst if they were just garbage drivel.
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Sep 13, 2017 14:42
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't know what the most 90s of all the big 90s summer blockbusters are, but I think Twister is up there. I was five when Twister came out and I saw it on video at a friend's house, and for so many years afterwards I was convinced that the tornado they're chasing was supposed to be the same one that killed Helen Hunt's characters father in the prologue back to finish the job. Twister had a great soundtrack. That was a big 90's thing for me - mediocre films with good music. Godzilla, Batman & Robin, Judgement Night, So I Married an Axe Murderer, etc.
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Sep 13, 2017 14:46
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Nutsngum posted:We should probably be pretty thankful that the Marvel CU films are all generally good to great in quality (For what they are) as them dominating and destroying the blockbuster could have been so much worst if they were just garbage drivel. Yeah, they're pretty generic but they're done well and actually funny. I enjoy watching them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnjM8xllPTs chitoryu12 has a new favorite as of 15:19 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Sep 13, 2017 15:17
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I don't know if it's fair to blame Marvel when the problem is everybody else copying them. I mean, you can blame them, but usually if you blame somebody for something it's because of some sort of positive action on their part, isn't it?  Is Mission Impossible the only action movie franchise that started in the 90s and is still getting movies made today?
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Sep 13, 2017 16:48
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I don't blame Marvel at all. Marvel was just the ones that happened to create the right kind of movies for the modern movie market.
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It's sort of weird to think of how, for almost 40 years, the gold standard in movie franchises where it has a sequential release every couple of years regular as clockwork and they all make a decent amount of money for their budgets (even the less-successful entries) was James Bond, when James Bond as a film series at this point is probably better known for its persistent behind-the-scenes problems and generally following up successes with disappointments. Sony wanted Spider-Man and pursued Spider-Man hard because they couldn't get James Bond. GoldenEye and Tomorrow Never Dies are both incredibly 90s but in very different ways. The former is the post-Cold War movie while the latter is the attempt to reconcile Bond to the new style of Mission Impossible type action movies where it was all high-tech and the enemies weren't the communists any more but they weren't the terrorists yet either.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't know if it's fair to blame Marvel when the problem is everybody else copying them. I mean, you can blame them, but usually if you blame somebody for something it's because of some sort of positive action on their part, isn't it? James Bond films have been happening for far longer.
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Sep 13, 2017 18:10
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Wheat Loaf posted:I feel as though big standalone action or disaster movies like Twister were the big box office blockbusters of the 90s or at least the second half of the decade - e.g. Independence Day, The Rock, Deep Impact, Armageddon, Air Force One etc. - but I don't feel like you really get movies like that now unless they're part of a franchise or are intended to start a franchise. Somewhere, a Hollywood executive just started planning a Disaster Movie Cinematic Universe. (I tried coming up with a description for what the big team-up movie would be like, but it was basically Sharknado)
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Sep 13, 2017 18:45
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Sir Lemming posted:Somewhere, a Hollywood executive just started planning a Disaster Movie Cinematic Universe. It would probably end up like the Universal's attempt to make a cinematic universe for its classic monsters: negative reviews across the board and the first movie getting removed from the canon before the second even releases.
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Sir Lemming posted:Somewhere, a Hollywood executive just started planning a Disaster Movie Cinematic Universe. Would its "showrunner" be Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich? President Morgan Freeman discovers that the aliens from Independence Day were behind Armageddon so he sends in a team of action scientists (led by Bill Paxton resurrected by Rogue One style CGI) to attack their secret base underneath the volcano from Dante's Peak and the post-credits stinger reveals that the true power behind the throne was the evil meteorologist from Twister who Cary Elwes played. Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 21:44 on Sep 13, 2017 |
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Iron Crowned posted:Yeah, and this summer being the worst since I think 1992, is probably due to that. Movies as a whole have been paint by numbers since the Marvel CU, I suspect that one of the hidden factors in the alchemy has been the switch to digital. Don't forget that when movies were still o tape, or film or whatever, all the nerds that would line up a week before the opening date, because after the first showing, subsequent ones didn't have the same picture quality.
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The first time I saw Deep Impact was a couple years after it came out an my parents taped in on TV. For some reason, I only watched half of it at once, so I thought it was a tv miniseries for the longest time.
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chitoryu12 posted:It would probably end up like the Universal's attempt to make a cinematic universe for its classic monsters: negative reviews across the board and the first movie getting removed from the canon before the second even releases. As I recall they actually that Dracula Untold movie from 2014 or so pegged as the starter but negotiations and stuff stalled so long they just started fresh. The problem they had and DC had is they wanted this whole thing from the start and planned way too loving far ahead and poo poo their pants with, ya know, actually making that first movie not be a garbage fart. Marvel had the foresight to make Iron Man really really good and use that as their foundation. If the Mummy was a really fun and awesome movie then I'd be all for a Monster Mash movie or whatever.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't know if it's fair to blame Marvel when the problem is everybody else copying them. I mean, you can blame them, but usually if you blame somebody for something it's because of some sort of positive action on their part, isn't it? Jurassic Park Edit: Also if you count Pitch Black (2000) as ‘90s, which some are wont to do, then it is also getting movies made.
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yeah the 90s ended after 9/10/01
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OldTennisCourt posted:As I recall they actually that Dracula Untold movie from 2014 or so pegged as the starter but negotiations and stuff stalled so long they just started fresh. Iron Man also wasn't written for the MCU. An Iron Man movie had been in some attempt at getting made since 1990 when Universal bought the rights, and decided to make the movie with Jon Favreau as a completely independent feature with nothing to reboot (unlike Spider-Man, which already had the Sam Raimi film series). The script was unfinished when filming began and large parts of the dialogue were improvised on the spot. Marvel had plans before its release to make a series of films with a shared universe, but the success of Iron Man actually let them go forward with that project. If Iron Man bombed, they likely would have just dropped everything and gone back to the drawing board.
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OldTennisCourt posted:As I recall they actually that Dracula Untold movie from 2014 or so pegged as the starter but negotiations and stuff stalled so long they just started fresh. They'd finished most of it then went back and added in scenes with Charles Dance's character when they decided this would be the springboard for the Universal Monsters Shared Cinematic Universe. I haven't seen the new version of the Mummy (the first two Brendan Fraser ones were good fun) but one thing all the bad reviews mentioned was that there's an over-long scene in the middle of the movie - a movie that's supposed to be about the Mummy - where the heroes have to fight Mr Hyde, because shared cinematic universe world-building. It's putting the cart before the horse basically. (The stuff in Batman v Superman where Batman has a nightmare where Flash shows up to warn him about the plot of the next movie was the same way for me.)
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chitoryu12 posted:Iron Man also wasn't written for the MCU. An Iron Man movie had been in some attempt at getting made since 1990 when Universal bought the rights, and decided to make the movie with Jon Favreau as a completely independent feature with nothing to reboot (unlike Spider-Man, which already had the Sam Raimi film series). The script was unfinished when filming began and large parts of the dialogue were improvised on the spot. I'd say it was a bit more planned than that given the end credits stinger where Nick Fury literally says "You're part of a bigger universe". You're probably right that if the movie didn't do well they'd call a mulligan but that 30 second stinger shows a fair amount of foresight.
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I think the last action movie in the 90s that a) most felt like it was a holdover from the 80s; and b) was very successful must have been Air Force One.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I'd say it was a bit more planned than that given the end credits stinger where Nick Fury literally says "You're part of a bigger universe". You're probably right that if the movie didn't do well they'd call a mulligan but that 30 second stinger shows a fair amount of foresight. They definitely wanted to do it, but they kept Iron Man contained to itself and went so far as to keep the stinger a secret until release. One advantage of the MCU films so far is that until they built up a successful and established universe, each story was pretty self-contained and worked as its own movie when divorced of the continuity.
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chitoryu12 posted:They definitely wanted to do it, but they kept Iron Man contained to itself and went so far as to keep the stinger a secret until release. Not to mention Iron Man had a sequel by the time Thor and Captain America got their "origin" films. Iron Man was pretty much a backdoor pilot for the rest of the MCU. I think part of the reason it worked is Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America all had minor name recognition, but most people wouldn't know much else. DC's big disadvantage is that their characters are too well known, and most people have some kind of personal attachment to them. Yes, I have met people that hate the MCU because of their attachment to certain characters, but they were all B or C Team, so the majority of people could form something new.
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Imagine how different it would've been if they'd gotten Tom Cruise to play Iron Man as I believe was under consideration for a time. He probably would've tried to change it a lot. Was Cruise still Mr Scientology in 2008 or had that quieted down by then (I remember Tropic Thunder being the movie where everyone realised Tom Cruise was still a pretty good actor). MCU didn't really become The Big Thing where every movie's treated as an event until after Avengers 1 in any case.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P9HCPAEc48 here it is, the most 90s thing
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Iron Crowned posted:Not to mention Iron Man had a sequel by the time Thor and Captain America got their "origin" films. Iron Man was pretty much a backdoor pilot for the rest of the MCU. One thing I really like with MCU is they've completely skipped an origin film for Spider-Man because good loving lord we do not need a third one of those.
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Iron Crowned posted:Not to mention Iron Man had a sequel by the time Thor and Captain America got their "origin" films. Iron Man was pretty much a backdoor pilot for the rest of the MCU. This was because they really tripped up with Hulk so rather than go into Thor immediately (a hero with some recongition but not an A-lister) they used Iron Man 2 to retreat and build up some good will again. It worked, too.
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RagnarokAngel posted:This was because they really tripped up with Hulk so rather than go into Thor immediately (a hero with some recongition but not an A-lister) they used Iron Man 2 to retreat and build up some good will again. It worked, too. Hulk was tripped up from the start with how terrible the previous Hulk movie had been.
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And unfortunately Universal still retains the rights to a stand-alone Hulk film, which means until they learn to play nice with Marvel it's not going to happen.
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I'm actually looking forward to Thor Ragnarok, because it's pretty clear they originally had something dour and serious planned from the "visions" in Thor: The Dark World and have just tossed all that poo poo in the bin in favour of having some goddamn fun instead  .
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Pastry of the Year posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P9HCPAEc48 Yes it is.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm actually looking forward to Thor Ragnarok, because it's pretty clear they originally had something dour and serious planned from the "visions" in Thor: The Dark World and have just tossed all that poo poo in the bin in favour of having some goddamn fun instead If I remember correctly, the "He's a friend from work!" line was from a Make A Wish kid.
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In about 1994, Disney released a Mickey Mouse rap album called Mickey Unrapped, featuring songs like "Whatta Mouse" - a cover of "Whatta Man" by Salt-N-Pepa in which Minnie Mouse raps about how she knows Mickey will never cheat on her. This was the album art: :format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2444968-1441740549-7257.jpeg.jpg)
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm actually looking forward to Thor Ragnarok, because it's pretty clear they originally had something dour and serious planned from the "visions" in Thor: The Dark World and have just tossed all that poo poo in the bin in favour of having some goddamn fun instead I still laugh like a moron at "I know him from work!" To get back on track, I feel like the 90s was the era where fads started hitting like this weird critical speed where you almost had to be on top of them before they happened or you were already too late.
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Wheat Loaf posted:In about 1994, Disney released a Mickey Mouse rap album called Mickey Unrapped, featuring songs like "Whatta Mouse" - a cover of "Whatta Man" by Salt-N-Pepa in which Minnie Mouse raps about how she knows Mickey will never cheat on her. Either Mickey is wearing two sets of pants there or he has been wearing undewear only for the last 90 years.
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