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get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

BiggerBoat posted:

There's no reason to rig NFL games at all. NCAA games are where the fixes take place.
there's so much rigging going on in college basketball and the players know it

Peanut President posted:

The NFL rigs games so that the whitest team always wins because black people winning a football would destroy the league's racist liberal fanbase.
i don't think the Pats are the league's whitest team, but in terms of receivers they certainly are

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Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Peanut President posted:

The NFL rigs games so that the whitest team always wins because black people winning a football would destroy the league's racist liberal fanbase.

Does Caste Football still exist?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

get that OUT of my face posted:

there's so much rigging going on in college basketball and the players know it

i don't think the Pats are the league's whitest team, but in terms of receivers they certainly are

I think we're agreeing here but my point was there's zero reason for the NFL to fix games. If they were, the Cowboys would have played New England last year. The players and the league make too much money to make loving with it worth the effort.

The NCAA is rife with corruption though because most of the players are NEVER going pro, are not even allowed to have JOBS, aren't truly there for an education and nobody cares about an Austin Peay v Delaware game in the middle of January except for degenerate gamblers and alumni.

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008
let's go peay

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

popularization of football, specifically amongst impoverished southerners, adds value to more direct and expensive physiological stupidification vectors

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

Baloogan posted:

the real conspiracy is that the planet is very poorly run

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


Baloogan posted:

the real conspiracy is that the planet is very poorly run

wisdom from the mouth of drunk ducks

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008
my conspriacy is that bama gets all the calls

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


fdr killed huey long

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 5 days!)

C. Everett Koop posted:

my conspriacy is that bama gets all the calls

not against clemson they didn't

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 5 days!)

my conspiracy is that everyone who hates Alabama is either a Notre Dame fan who is still mad for when Bama erased them in the NCG or racists

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
Everything Eddie Bravo believes is true

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

Peanut President posted:

my conspiracy is that everyone who hates Alabama is either a Notre Dame fan who is still mad for when Bama erased them in the NCG or racists

I was about to say "or faces them in conference play" but you covered it with your last point.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!
Diana and that policeman she was probably banging were both murdered.

Moon landing was fake.

Every aristo and royal is a pedo or at least they know about that poo poo and just choose not to indulge in it personally.

Those are the big 3 come at me lizard people.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
The gangster computer god.

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004
Bitcoin wasn't invented by one person but a team. possibly to serve as a currency for illicit transactions.

(there's precedent for drug kingpins writing popular software: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Le_Roux)

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Baloogan posted:

the real conspiracy is that the planet is very poorly run



Best Giraffe posted:

wisdom from the mouth of drunk ducks

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
GM and Standard Oil knew the dangers of adding tetraethyl lead to gasoline, but went through with it anyway because it could be patented, unlike alcohol-derived additives such as ethanol or methanol. The addition of shitloads of lead to the environment, especially in dense urban areas, was partially responsible for the sudden increase in crime in big cities. The phasing out of lead in gasoline in the 70's was partially what lead to the sudden drop of crime in the 90's. Broken Window Theory didn't do jack poo poo.

The CIA is institutionally focused towards short term goals and so everything they do is for short term gain and it ends up causing more problems in the long run. Any coverups are because the people involved are trying to cover their own asses.

The TV broadcasts for the early Apollo missions, and especially Apollo 12 where the astronauts actually broke the TV cameras, were partially faked by the TV networks so that they'd have SOMETHING to show to the people watching on TV during times when the astronauts weren't broadcasting TV, even though the air to ground voice communication and film photos and 16mm footage was genuine.

Bush and Cheney didn't take the threat of Al Qaeda seriously when they came into office, Cheney was focused on Iraq and Hussein as the only major threat to US interests, and Bush was concerned about domestic issues. Bush's reshuffling of the FBI in the wake of the Robert Hanssen scandal very early on in the Bush admin pulled the field agents who had been tracking the hijackers off of surveillance of them, leading to several of them slipping the net.

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/08/presidential-memorandum-secretary-state-and-secretary-treasury


The piss tape is real and putin is using the kompromat to get his oligarch capos' money un-frozen

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

Instant Sunrise posted:

GM and Standard Oil knew the dangers of adding tetraethyl lead to gasoline, but went through with it anyway because it could be patented, unlike alcohol-derived additives such as ethanol or methanol. The addition of shitloads of lead to the environment, especially in dense urban areas, was partially responsible for the sudden increase in crime in big cities. The phasing out of lead in gasoline in the 70's was partially what lead to the sudden drop of crime in the 90's. Broken Window Theory didn't do jack poo poo.

The CIA is institutionally focused towards short term goals and so everything they do is for short term gain and it ends up causing more problems in the long run. Any coverups are because the people involved are trying to cover their own asses.

The TV broadcasts for the early Apollo missions, and especially Apollo 12 where the astronauts actually broke the TV cameras, were partially faked by the TV networks so that they'd have SOMETHING to show to the people watching on TV during times when the astronauts weren't broadcasting TV, even though the air to ground voice communication and film photos and 16mm footage was genuine.

Bush and Cheney didn't take the threat of Al Qaeda seriously when they came into office, Cheney was focused on Iraq and Hussein as the only major threat to US interests, and Bush was concerned about domestic issues. Bush's reshuffling of the FBI in the wake of the Robert Hanssen scandal very early on in the Bush admin pulled the field agents who had been tracking the hijackers off of surveillance of them, leading to several of them slipping the net.

Oliver Stone?

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004
KSA did 9/11

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
to be clear, I don't think it was deliberate malice on the part of the fbi that lead to 9/11 happening. just incompetence.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
also, ahmed chalabi made a career out of telling warhawks what they wanted to hear about iraq's wmd program. even when the information he was supplying was being pulled straight out of his rear end.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'



its not a conspiracy if its a globally accepted fact

Dog Jones
Nov 4, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

Instant Sunrise posted:

to be clear, I don't think it was deliberate malice on the part of the fbi that lead to 9/11 happening. just incompetence.

What do you think of the stuff Sibel Edmonds says

an actual dog
Nov 18, 2014

Planned Parenthood knows that if the pro-life movement ever stops than it will have no purpose anymore, so they do just enough to have a reason to exist but not enough to actually make woman's healthcare really truly secure.

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.
Shortly after FDR was elected, a group of businessmen were very concerned that his New Deal programs were going to hurt their bottom line financially. So they approached Marine Corps Major-General Smedley Butler and told him that they had recruited 500,000 ex-WWI veterans (they didn't) and said "hey would you mind leading them in a coup so we can overthrow Roosevelt and get rid of all this New Deal poo poo that's going to make us not-quite-as-rich, maybe have a difference president who's a bit more fash?"

So of course, Butler did the right thing, said "what the actual gently caress is this poo poo?" and blabbed it to the press and congress, who started a committee to investigate it, which sadly ended up becoming the predecessor to the more infamous HUAC in the 1950's.

Instant Sunrise has issued a correction as of 23:17 on Sep 13, 2017

Les Os
Mar 29, 2010
Report From Iron Mountain is a legitimate government document that describes the motivations of the military industrial complex from a social and economic perspective and its publication directly resulted in the foreign policy of today's USA. any claims that this report is a hoax or satire are intended to discredit it in the eyes of the general public in order to avoid the reality of its implications

lorn Wayne
Jan 7, 2006

:staredog::meowth::pipe:
There aren't infinite parallel universes, only 69, and each reality is reset once every 8 billion years.

this is earth 69

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Les Os posted:

Report From Iron Mountain is a legitimate government document that describes the motivations of the military industrial complex from a social and economic perspective and its publication directly resulted in the foreign policy of today's USA. any claims that this report is a hoax or satire are intended to discredit it in the eyes of the general public in order to avoid the reality of its implications

canon

lorn Wayne posted:

There aren't infinite parallel universes, only 69, and each reality is reset once every 8 billion years.

this is earth 69

nice canon

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


lorn Wayne posted:

There aren't infinite parallel universes, only 69, and each reality is reset once every 8 billion years.

this is earth 69

nice, im a believer now

also gay

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

When I was a kid, a major air disaster happened in my hometown. On December 12th 1985, a charter DC-8 carrying 256 people - most of whom were soldiers in the 101st airborne - crashed just after takeoff, killing everyone onboard. The subsequent investigation created a big scandal, as it was either pig-fuckingly incompetent, or been ordered to bury the whole incident. The soldiers were coming home from Lebenon, that the Americans were helping to invade at the time. Further, the charter company, Arrow Air, was a CIA front company often used to deliver arms to Iran. Regan's lowest point in popularity came with the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut some time previously. So, in other words, even if it was just an accident, there's good reason to think Regan panicked a bit when it happened, called up his good buddy Cdn PM Brian Mulroney, and asked him to bury it. I won't go into the investigation, but suffice it to say it was a shambles. FBI bomb specialists made the trip to Gander only to be ordered home before they could begin work. Early circumstantial evidence of an explosion were discounted. The American coroner after the fact said that the flight crew had inhaled a lethal amount of toxic smoke, consistent with a fire/explosion in the cockpit. Similar toxic inhalants were discovered in the passengers, and since they all died on impact, this means they must have been breathing this toxic smoke while still in the air. The DC-8 stopped in Cairo from Beirut, where a bunch of soldiers gear were unloaded, and mysterious boxes were put on-board, along with two unidentified men believed to be government agents. We know later from the Iran Contra scandal that at this time a arms shipment to Iran was cancelled due to some tiff they were having, and it is possible these boxes were munitions - most likely missiles. Cairo security was incredibly lovely as well, so if a bomb was planted this was most likely where it was done. On the morning of the incident somebody called the New York Times and the American embassy in Sweden, claiming responsibility for bomb, and saying it was intended to go off over the ocean - a delay in Cologne where the Airliner also stopped at screwed up the timing. While this means less than you might think, witnesses of the airplanes takeoff report an explosion and flames before the airliner crashed.

But the board was having none of it, the cause was ice on the wings

Anyway, as I said the investigation was hosed (the chief investigator in it had a two week crash investigation course under his belt, it was his first crash and also his last), and the resulting scandal saw the Canadian board dissolved, and replaced with a new body that is reputedly quite good at its work, though its findings have no legal standing. (This is where the Canadian Fed Apparatchiks would make bank, since obviously favors could be traded to keep lawsuits from happening.) The Board released a minority report saying that it was in fact some explosion that caused the crash. A supreme court justice reviewed the whole mess, and while he said there was not enough evidence to say it was an explosion, he did say that the offical conclusion of the board was bullishit, as the one thing the investigation had managed to do was get enough evidence to say conclusively it was not ice on the wings. The American families of the soldiers managed to make enough noise to get a congressional investigation of the matter, which opened, said "JFC Canada get your poo poo together" and then closed on the same afternoon.

I wish I could prove any of this, but unlike in America, crash remains are destroyed once the investigation is done, so there's no way to undo the pig-fuckery. The whole thing is locked in a Schrodinger's box now of uncertainty. Let me go through causes just for completeness:

(Note: If you believe the testimony of the eyewitnesses is accurate, then you more or less default to the position of explosive, but research has shown eyewitnesses are surprisingly susceptible to giving false testimony. Not lying, mind you, but people often take cues from the questioner as to what they are looking for and then subconsciously examine events to give the questioner what they want. So eyewitness testimony is not as solid as physical evidence.)

In case you were wondering, the cockpit recorder didn't survive the crash, and the crash recorder onboard the DC-8 was a 1950s type, badly maintained. The only useful bit of data it gave was when the aircraft left the runway.

Mechanical failure

  • Ice on the wings.

This was actually ruled out. Gander might be the best place for a airport for 1500 km or so, but it is still a pretty miserable place, where blizzards, snow, rain, etc make Ice on the wings extremely common. The Ground crew and staff at the airport are thus world class experts on the wet-cold problems aircraft can get. They saw no sign of icing on the aircraft. Weather records at the time indicate that the weather was above zero when the DC-8 was there and when it took off. Because the flight was so short, the airplane if it was iced up should have had trouble taking off, and the data conforms this was not a problem.

  • Mechanical failure (other)

The aircraft was ropy and tired, so if it was overloaded and something malfunctioned at takeoff, that would put it in a bad spot. One thing the investigation discovered that the outside left engine had its thrust reverser engaged. The investigation was so badly done that nobody tried to ascertain if this was something that happened in flight or something that resulted in the crash. A thrust reverser suddenly coming on at takeoff would be very bad, especially if the plane in question was just on the edge of being able to fly in those conditions.

Explosion

caused by

  • a bomb

planted by
  • Mideast Terror group:
This would make sense, as terrorists love to target the Americans, allies of the Israelis. They had done so before and been very successful at it. They had opportunity to so do at Cairo.

  • The Iranians:

Iran-Contra was weird as gently caress, and having one of your key partners be the Iranian Revolutionary Guard was just part of this weirdness. They were definitely a group that would blow up an arms shipment out of spite just to send the message to Regan "don't gently caress with us homie, we can gently caress you up politically."

Both bomb scenarios are consistent with the post-mordem results.

or caused by
  • an explosive accident

There are two possible causes here. If you believe that Iran-Contra munitions were loaded at Cairo, then that could be a possible cause. Another cause could have been the baggage of the soldiers themselves. By the rules, the only munitions soldiers were to take with them on charter flights in the cabin were sidearms IE pistols. At the time though, this had become a not so small scandal, because everybody was ignoring this and taking rifles, grenades, etc into the cabin with them, and packing anything in their luggage. It is possible that some munition that should have not been there could have started a fire/chain reaction among other munitions. This is obviously sort of grasping at straws, but once again, the investigation did not look at this.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Somewhat more in the spirit of this thread, I love the idea that instead of all those pain-in-the-rear end FEMA camps the USA is trying to kill off its excess population with the cheap availability of highly refined opiates

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy
after reading that whole iron mountain report thing it is completely compatible with my personal and religious beliefs, and is therefore completely true and good so add that thing just in and of itself to my list of what my conspiracies are

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

I also think that PETA may be some sort of front by the meat industry to discourage vegetarianism

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
Karl Rove rigged the 2004 election and thought he could do it again in 2012 by having Romney own all the voting machines in Ohio but it failed for some reason and that's why he had his election night meltdown

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
Stevie Wonder isn't blind

Best Korea
Feb 15, 2012

Jeb! Repetition posted:

Karl Rove rigged the 2004 election and thought he could do it again in 2012 by having Romney own all the voting machines in Ohio but it failed for some reason and that's why he had his election night meltdown

Anonymous supposedly had proof of this and gave it to Julian Assange. He sat on it. It was when I started to realize he sucks.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/12845-anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
Pizzagate was delibrately stoked to further delegitimize any accusations of pedophile rings among the powerful.

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Best Korea posted:

Anonymous supposedly had proof of this and gave it to Julian Assange. He sat on it. It was when I started to realize he sucks.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/12845-anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix

Meh, to be fair to Assange he probably thought every report handed to him was a discrediting trap by the US by that point

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