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It's resonating with a whole lot more then a trek only audience based on the numbers.
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I would recommend it to people with encyclopedic knowledge of trek, who also acknowledge that trek is often bad. And like it anyway. Since The Orville is bad. And I like it anyway. Edit: ^ yeah, that's a complete loving mystery to me.
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Just because it references Trek doesn't mean you have to know Trek to get what's going on. This isn't a complicated show.
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Snak posted:I would recommend it to people with encyclopedic knowledge of trek, who also acknowledge that trek is often bad. And like it anyway. Since The Orville is bad. And I like it anyway. I think a lot more people are into trek than they'd like to admit.
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Yeah, but I don't see what the appeal is otherwise. The jokes are mediocre at best and it's an hour show.Iron Crowned posted:I think a lot more people are into trek than they'd like to admit. I think that's true, too. While people who post on the internet about trek are weird nerds, lots of normal people watched at least one Trek series in their childhood or with a family member or something. Like, my bestie's mom, who is a weird mormon who doesn't watch movies or tv, has watched chunks of DS9. Snak fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Sep 18, 2017 |
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Sep 18, 2017 23:12
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Snak posted:Yeah, but I don't see what the appeal is otherwise. The jokes are mediocre at best and it's an hour show. Lots of unfunny shows are popular
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/neilhimself/status/909698756223913984 Endlessly. When Constantine was airing I saw a lot of Supernatural fans claim his looked was swiped from Castiel.
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Iron Crowned posted:Lots of unfunny shows are popular Yeah, I'm wondering if this is somehow hitting the Big Bang Theory formula. I assumed number fors the second episode would fall off a cliff.
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Maybe people just want to watch a heavily promoted science fiction show that has some jokes as window dressing.  I don't think it's hilarious either, but I do think the comedic tone keeps it grounded and relatable.
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Sep 18, 2017 23:17
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Sinteres posted:Maybe people just want to watch a heavily promoted science fiction show that has some jokes as window dressing. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a bit of a stretch, but I also think that it a huge plus that the show plays its plots completly straight. Because a parody where you're constantly being textually like "of course wacky thing, because that's how it is in the show" wouldn't be sustainable. It worked fine in galaxy quest, because it was a single story.
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I think The Orville sucks but I'm not surprised it's doing great, people are desperate for more TNG.DrVenkman posted:Nah, it's like your batsignal. Defenders was 8 episodes and it's the shittiest paced of the Marvel shows.
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Lurdiak posted:I think The Orville sucks but I'm not surprised it's doing great, people are desperate for more TNG. Uh, what? JJ definitely has worse pacing, the 2nd half of Luke Cage could've been a few episodes shorter too.
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There is no such thing as an ideal episode count. This is a grass-is-always-greenerism.CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Uh, what? JJ definitely has worse pacing, the 2nd half of Luke Cage could've been a few episodes shorter too. No pacing would've made Diamondback not be lovely. Lycus fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Uh, what? JJ definitely has worse pacing, the 2nd half of Luke Cage could've been a few episodes shorter too. Hard disagree. The entirety of Defenders managed to feel like it was constantly stalling for time and rushing everything at the same time. Lycus posted:There is no such thing as an ideal episode count. This is a grass-is-always-greenerism. Yeah. If something has lovely pacing, removing or adding episodes won't help. That's just the directors/showrunners/writers not being good at pacing.
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Lycus posted:There is no such thing as an ideal episode count. This is a grass-is-always-greenerism. It's really not. Those 2 shows definitely could've been condensed down to have much tighter pacing without anything, especially JJ.
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I thought every episode of JJ was good and don't think it had any pacing issues.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:It's really not. Those 2 shows definitely could've been condensed down to have much tighter pacing without anything, especially JJ. A bad/good/mediocre 13 episode show would've been a bad/good/mediocre 8 episode show because it's the same people writing it. People regularly say the same thing in reverse too.
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Snak posted:I thought every episode of JJ was good and don't think it had any pacing issues. Yeah but you like The Orville
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big little lies, a perfect tv show, was seven episodes long. therefore the best length for a tv show is seven episodes full stop.
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Snak posted:I thought every episode of JJ was good and don't think it had any pacing issues. I thought 90% of the episodes of JJ were bad, and making 8 episodes wouldn't of help. Lycus posted:A bad/good/mediocre 13 episode show would've been a bad/good/mediocre 8 episode show because it's the same people writing it. People regularly say the same thing in reverse too. Yep. I use to think that you could fix JJ, but it just wasn't good no matter the length.
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Lycus posted:A bad/good/mediocre 13 episode show would've been a bad/good/mediocre 8 episode show because it's the same people writing it. People regularly say the same thing in reverse too. This is a little reductive. If you have 6 episodes of material and you're tasked with making 9 episodes out of it then it's a problem with length, not talent. A middle-act lull in an 8 episode season leads to 2 dud episodes that you can easily get through. A middle act lull in a 16 episode season can last for 4 episodes and can completely kill the momentum and the ability for the viewer to get through it. Look at movies. You might have a brilliant director who is amazing at world building, cinematography, character moments who's ego gets in the way and the story telling suffers as a result. Bring in a crack editor to hold the reigns and keep him in check and the end product can turn out amazing. I can't think of any examples right now but I always hear about examples of that.
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I used to think Jessica Jones needed fewer episodes, but now I mostly think it just needed to use a couple more episodes in the beginning to establish her world and see her work before introducing the villain, which would have streamlined the main plot a bit.
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Tim & Eric's Bedtime Stories has been really good this season, but last night's episode is especially  http://www.adultswim.com/videos/tim-erics-bedtime-stories/angel-man-extended-cut/
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Is...this a joke? Your new music is bullshit, Scotty. It's BULLSHIT. IT SUCKS!
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Sinteres posted:I used to think Jessica Jones needed fewer episodes, but now I mostly think it just needed to use a couple more episodes in the beginning to establish her world and see her work before introducing the villain, which would have streamlined the main plot a bit. They should have just dumped Iron Fist and used the money for more Jessica Jones
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Looten Plunder posted:This is a little reductive. If you have 6 episodes of material and you're tasked with making 9 episodes out of it then it's a problem with length, not talent. No, it's not, because you can just loving WRITE MORE SHOW
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The Star Trek pilot is stupid good. I've seen it plenty of times before, but I think I appreciate it now more than ever.
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Second episode of The Orville was much better than the pilot. It felt way more Star Trekesque than episode one, and I actually got some goosebumps while watching the credit sequence. It's so bizarre and wonderful to be watching something so close to an honest-to-goodness new Star Trek in 2017. I really do, deep down, want Discovery to succeed, but in my heart I know that if anything it'll tack closer to the Abrams films than TOS, TNG, or even DS9, which dosen't quite to it for me. Which is why I'm glad that The Orville exists, even though it's execution is flawed it still looks and feels like Star Trek. Which can't honestly be said of the Abrams movies, with all of their dutch angles and shiny smooth surfaces and crazy stunts and effects. Trek is prosthetics and chintzy "futuristic" furniture—good-but not overwrought-production design—and practical, workhorse shooting styles and fight scenes. The drama in the show comes from the characters and story, not from the presentation. The Orville has all that, and I am glad to look past the casual dialog and occasional mediocre attempts at humor because it gets so much else right. There's always a chance that Seth will reevaluate the need for "comedy" if he gets a second season and then we'll get the Trek show that Trekkies have been wanting since... well, TNG ended, I suppose. For now, though, The Orville will do.
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hey, it turns out that filming a tv series about mexican drug cartels on location in mexico is a really loving bad idea https://twitter.com/latimesworld/status/909935019849793537
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The Orville isn't much sillier than real Trek 
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Sep 19, 2017 05:00
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I'm watching the new season of Ray Donovan. In a sea of incredible television shows I can't figure out what it is about this show that keeps drawing back in. It certainly isn't likeable characters.
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Arist posted:No, it's not, because you can just loving WRITE MORE SHOW Seriously? We aren't talking about Days of our Lives here. If someone writes something with a beginning, middle and end you don't just tell someone "hey write more middle, we want this story to go for longer" and not expect it to affect anything.
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LionArcher posted:Whoever buys Bonds rights is an idiot if they don't do an expanded universe. Hear me out. The movies are just the movies. But make a limited series (8 or 10) episode series that's about 003 or 009 and have it be a female agent. Each season could focus on a single long arc while also doing episode of the week. It's 24 meets meets The Americans meets Bond. This seems to be the easiest way to backdoor idris elba into the bond universe tbh. On an unrelated note, wasn't there a show recently (last decade?) that was like there were two separate viewpoints for episodes? Like it was a major theme of the show but not simply in a narrative way? Maybe had a color theme, might have been a mystery or something?
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There was a show called Boomtown where each episode showed the perspectives of the cops, lawyers, criminals, etc.
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Milo and POTUS posted:On an unrelated note, wasn't there a show recently (last decade?) that was like there were two separate viewpoints for episodes? Like it was a major theme of the show but not simply in a narrative way? Maybe had a color theme, might have been a mystery or something? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2699110/
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I don't think either of those are it but I've got so little knowledge of what (might have) existed that I don't think I'll ever be able to give enough descriptive info. Maybe a death happened, car crash maybe? gently caress I smoke too much weed
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It might be Awake. Jason Isaacs. It has the car crash, death, and two perspectives with the dream (or not dream) sequences being a different color theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNh0Z3t__2A Mu Zeta fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Sep 19, 2017 |
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Sep 19, 2017 06:48
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Yup that's it. Wow I'm surprised you would know it from that piss poor description.
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I've watched like a disgusting amount of TV the past decade
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